Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed
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Imagine changing your tune on player based on 70 odd minutes of an England friendly right before a major tournament. God bless SadCafe.
People keep saying they'd rather sign Grealish, conveniently ignoring we need a RIGHT winger and Grealish has never played as a RIGHT winger in the Premier League
If your judging a players ability on an England friendly you wouldn’t buy anyone.
Oh I mostly agree, except I think he’s been good in open play today, my point is that judging players during international matches is a poor barometer of how good they are. Some players shine there, some don’t.
I also wouldn’t judge any player being managed by Southgate
JWP is a player who I think , because of his deliveries and free kicks being his strongest highlights, people often say that's all he's about. In reality he's very good at pressing, his passing is good and his tackling too. I think over McTominay in particular he would be advantageous in closing down more proactively and passing range & distribution. McTominay can sometimes be too casual in both these areas.
Of course, my opinion isn't worth any more than yours! I just think Grealish is a better player and I would rather have him in my team. I think he'll be a better player than Sanho would - but both will be (or already are) World Class. As I said, ideally I'd want both, accepting Grealish doesn't normally play right, he'd be a perfect Pogba replacement.
You would need another 40m, unfortunately.
He has been average for Dortmund in the CL whenever I watch him.
AWB gets forward and into pretty good positions. Godfrey clearly looks like a CB playing RB
Some of us have been saying it ever since we were linked with him.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jadon-sancho-staying-at-dortmund-for-now.445165/post-26109824
Dortmund don't even want 100m for him, they agree.
Part of the truth is that Sancho has found his role at Dortmund. He's surrounded by movement and there are automatisms and patterns of play that comstantly place him in situations he excels in. Finding solutions through one twos and his great ball control, opening up small passing lanes for through balls etc. He's incredible in what he does best and for me already world class and the best player in the Bundesliga thanks to that. But if you want him to perform you need to create those circumstances for him and I honestly don't think this will be the case at United. To me the idea that he's the solution for RW is like a testament to this - because who thinks not only playing Sancho on the right but also with a defensive minded RB behind him would getbthe best out of him hasn't paid enough attention. Maybe a player that is less reliant on linking up with other players and who actually favours the right would be the better solution for you. Or it is trusting Greenwood and/or Diallo. In this case Sancho might make sense with Shaw behind him on the left but that depends on the questoon if Rashford can move into the striker position permanently.
To me this transfer smells like a huge disappointment for both player and club/fans.
That is my hope.
Although us buying Sancho for a club record fee, then finding out he's Rashford/Martial -esque on the right would be so us.
Maybe thats why we are trying to bring in Trippier.
So are we even seriously being linked with Grealish? I couldn’t care less that he is soon 26, he will still probably have around 6-8 years left as a top player. I would also take him ahead of Sancho.
But his contract runs until 2025, he is an English and PL proven player and now he has finally been picked by England and keeps performing for them his price will increase further. He won’t be sold below 100 - 120 mil pounds. And other PL teams will want him as well.
Sancho has been linked with us constantly and it just seems that there is a much more realistic chance to get him. And who really cares where he plays. He is versatile enough. He will play some games on the left, some on the right, maybe some even in the middle.
People just need to be realistic. We won’t see the Dortmund Sancho, he will also not replicate his BL numbers in the PL. But he is a young top player who is desperately needed at United. Just think back to the games where due to only a couple of injuries we ended up with Amad and Shola as only attacking options on our bench.
Everyone who doesn’t want us to spend money on Sancho has no right complaining next time they see 1 million well established attacking players on City’s or Chelsea’s bench.
But his contract runs until 2025, he is an English and PL proven player and now he has finally been picked by England and keeps performing for them his price will increase further. He won’t be sold below 100 - 120 mil pounds. And other PL teams will want him as well.
Sancho has been linked with us constantly and it just seems that there is a much more realistic chance to get him. And who really cares where he plays. He is versatile enough. He will play some games on the left, some on the right, maybe some even in the middle.
People just need to be realistic. We won’t see the Dortmund Sancho, he will also not replicate his BL numbers in the PL. But he is a young top player who is desperately needed at United. Just think back to the games where due to only a couple of injuries we ended up with Amad and Shola as only attacking options on our bench.
Everyone who doesn’t want us to spend money on Sancho has no right complaining next time they see 1 million well established attacking players on City’s or Chelsea’s bench.
I absolutely agree with your first point, but I don’t think he’s Manchester United good at any of that.
On the other hand, I find he can be quite passive defensively. He’s good at pressing and closing players down, but poor at tackling following that up with winning the ball from what I’ve seen. Surprisingly I think JWP is quite casual with his passing. He’s got great range, but too often doesn’t make the passes he tries. We would lose the ball far too often with him in centre midfield behind Bruno. McTominay isn’t as expansive, but he’s more of a sure thing to keep possession.
I've never had a strong opinion on Sancho as I don't watch German footy much. But from what I have seen of the guy I'm struggling to see why we'd take the risk vs signing Grealish (if available). Never sure how players will adapt to the prem and Grealish is already proven there.
Where are you getting “club record fee” from? Nothing I’ve read has suggested that, in GBP anyway.
I don't think it's that easy. When Hakimi was still at Dortmund, Sancho rather played as ab RAM than a winger in a 3-4-2-1 (the current Chelsea formation).
My feeling is that you guys just try to sign class but don't really analyze how you can integrate the player tactically to get the best out of him before. Pogba is a similar case, IMO. Bruno for example was an excellent fit due to all the pace you've got and the runs Rashford an co make in behind. Sancho wouldn't, IMO.
Forget Sancho. Buy Bellingham instead.
His heads just in Manchester that's all
We tried last year. He turned us down.
Too late. In hindsight it was a clear mistake not to get him though instead of VDB last summer. Also played more for Dortmund than I expected
You’re conveniently ignoring that Sancho clearly isn’t a natural right winger himself.
I'll be honest, I've not seen a single minute of him playing in the bundesliga or the CL for Dortmund. I've only ever seen him for England and even then it's only been meaningless friendlies. So from my limited exposure to him, he doesnt seem anything special. I didn't see him beat a man, dribble (actually he did but he lost the ball) and his passing was nothing great. How is he in the bundesliga?
I think I'm getting mixed up with British club record in fairness. Just slightly higher than Maguire.
Pogba's fee shouldn't be touched. Hopefully!
It obviously wasn’t a ‘mistake’. We tried to buy him and he refused.
yeah the fee bandied about is less than the Pogba fee
He was toilet today.
This is a good take. You don't hire an accountant in a marketing job and expect him to deliver the same quality as in his earlier role. I believe people are rather expecting a Coman type of winger when Sancho is actually more of a playmaker. He's not beating defenders by bursts of speed or something like that.
Grealish is just built for United in my view, shame he'll end up at City. He just has the personality for us. If he'd shown more at RW I'd be all for it. I'd even be all for it at LW but realistically we aren't not playing Rashford.
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This is spot on. Sancho isn't a natural on the right side. I just hope Solskjaer isn't as naive as some of the posts I've read on here about Sancho.
Its a mistake. As if we didnt have the means to convince him to come if we didnt sign another midfielder
He always is poor for England.
Which is why muppets wanting to spend €120m on him last summer or €100m now are nuts.
Realistically, he should be cheaper than that.
I wonder if Southgate will even play him much if at all this Euros. He has stiff competition in Foden and Sterling , even if the latter had a poor season. Grealish too, if Southgate decides he wants Mount in a 10 will add to more wide competition.
This is not true, at all. He's barely played for England - was shite today but was good in another game. I think he's only had something like 1200 minutes in an England shirt, which is hardly anything.
We even got Fergie involved but he and his family refused.
The only way we would have gotten Bellingham is by not signing VDB and selling one of Fred or McT, which obviously we would do in hindsight, but would have caused fan riots last summer.
We had tracked him for ages, brought him to Carrington in January, rolled out Sir Alex etc. He made his choice because there is more than one football team in the world, which some forget. It’s obvious what Dortmund gives you. The people in this thread wanting to sign the 21 year old Sancho instead of giving the 18 year old Diallo the same program Dortmund gave the same Sancho is an example of why Dortmund will always hold an obvious appeal.
Yes this is my biggest worry. He has class and skill but in our current attacking approach (or the lack of it), we don't excel in putting our attacking players in situations where they can isolate the opposition. We don't create space for attacking transitions and overlaps. Sancho doesn't look like he has the physical ability (elite burst of space/strength) or playing style for 1-on-1 duels against lines of defence.
The contrast in this game between Sancho and Grealish, who basically moved forward and took players on at will is so stark.
Problem is both are not the 'solution' to our right winger issues. Both would be great players to have simply for their talent and long term potential but if I had to choose, I'd opt for a Varane/elite CB and a striker before right wing.
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