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Honestly I’d be really annoyed if we spend over £40m on him.
Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract
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RW & CB. Don't know why some people still think we need or we should sign this guy. Let's sort our those two then start talking about Grealish.
He can be a decent backup here but nothing more. We should never spend anything more than 20m for him.
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Agreed a nice squad option but on the big ocassion today looked mentally out of it and didn’t threaten at any point. Disappointing.
This is it and why I'm hoping Villa get relegated as we could get him on the cheap.
Game by game, this is coming more and more evident. Him playing wide left today was pretty poor. Very ineffective out there.
We definitely need someone to cover for either Bruno or Pogba however I do no long get believe Grealish is the one. Today he was not good enough and looked very average on the field. I do not know who to get instead but I would prefer not buying anyone until the right prospect comes up
Sancho priority. This guy not really bothered if we get or not.
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And yet some here would play him over Bruno and have him as a starter at RW haha!
Sancho in. And see how much he is.
He's talented but he has a free role at Villa. He's not good enough to be a starter at a truly top team, so maybe he'd be ok being a squad player but he'd be firmly on the bench behind any of our midfielders/attackers. Think his level is one of the Europa league teams.
He's clearly been burdened with being Villa's only go to guy/man for creativity and goals and it's simply a considerable amount of pressure to put on his shoulders to get them out of the current state they find themselves in.
So,I would like to see him in a good side before I make a better judgement on his abilities.
So,I would like to see him in a good side before I make a better judgement on his abilities.
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Jesus, who has said that????
I want him only as a squad player but you cant blame him tonight. Hes a one man team, a creative player trying to link with a striker who hasnt scored in 39 games. He stood no chance.
I think if any of the top teams bought him they would immediately change his role to a deeper midfield position, a play maker prompting more dynamic attackers. Don't see him as an attacker at a CL club.
I see his value to us, especially in a team with the type of attacking options we have. He is very good at holding onto the ball in attack, keeping a team in possession and sucking attention from the opposition. It's kind of like a basketball player who knows how to pass it out of the double team but also has the strength and balance to keep the ball. Very valuable to any team and I think our fans are being too simplistic when judging him. He's clearly gifted. Our players found it incredibly difficult dealing taking the ball off of him.
I also see why playing him on the flanks may be better than him being in the centre. He's not through ball specialist like Debruyne or Bruno, he likes to suck in attention and can dribble his way into great situations and out of bad situations. It's a bit like Hazard. On a counter attacking team, playing him in the middle may make sense, but imagine all the havoc he could cause with the space and movement of the flanks ( right too).
I also see why playing him on the flanks may be better than him being in the centre. He's not through ball specialist like Debruyne or Bruno, he likes to suck in attention and can dribble his way into great situations and out of bad situations. It's a bit like Hazard. On a counter attacking team, playing him in the middle may make sense, but imagine all the havoc he could cause with the space and movement of the flanks ( right too).
I don't think midfield is priority. We saw today how Pogba moved to the AM role when Bruno came off. Get Sancho and that's another option. I also think that Ole values Fred and Mctominay and getting Grealish would limit their game time.
I think he's super talented, but people are definitely trying to shoe horn him into our gaps. He's wasted out wide.
Think that's the only signing I'm confident of this summer. Any more is a bonus!
I would be tempted.
You can clearly see his talent on the ball. Great balance,good turn of pace,technically tidy with the ball and has a decent passing range.
Surround him with a better class of player and I think whoever signs him will reap the rewards.
You can clearly see his talent on the ball. Great balance,good turn of pace,technically tidy with the ball and has a decent passing range.
Surround him with a better class of player and I think whoever signs him will reap the rewards.
Looked the same tonight as he has for a few games now - and exactly as G Nev described him.
Too deep, too wide.
But when you're achingly better than everyone alongside you, and your team has next to none of the ball, it's near impossible to do anything else.
It's not like he's going to get loads of ball central and advanced, and he's not going to beat 3-4 men on every run.
When they go down, if it's a reasonable fee we should look at it.
Too deep, too wide.
But when you're achingly better than everyone alongside you, and your team has next to none of the ball, it's near impossible to do anything else.
It's not like he's going to get loads of ball central and advanced, and he's not going to beat 3-4 men on every run.
When they go down, if it's a reasonable fee we should look at it.
I don’t fancy him. Not good enough for me
I think he’s do well at Spurs or Wolves or Leicester and that’s what he should aim for.
I think he’s do well at Spurs or Wolves or Leicester and that’s what he should aim for.
I dont see any harm in limiting either Fred's or McTomminay's game time. The lack of passing ability alone from those two cloggers is enough to draw a solid conclusion that the back-ups need to offer far more offensive clout.
If Bruno and Pogba,who has a history of picking up niggles now, are out for any considerable time we're buggered.
His kit is at least a size too small for him.
He's obviously talented. Could provide Bruno with some much needed competition. Wouldn't be a starter though. Would sell Lingard and Pereira and get him in. Massive upgrade.
Yeah — conversely it indulges him and that’s shown by how he’s constantly holding onto the ball and overplaying things.
There’s no denying he’s better than Villa. He’s probably mid table at the very worst. Is he top 4 quality? Not sure.
If he’s going to be a £40m + squad player he needs to do a lot better with that chance he had in first 20 mins on the volley at far post. Too much laughing and joking. Poor positional discipline. Not sure he’s required for us
I'd take him on the basis that he knows he's going to be on the bench and has to fight for his spot.
We certainly need another midfield offensive option,though.
Again,if Pogs and Bruno are out we're buggered. Fred and McTom are tidy yet bland with the ball and Lingard and Perriera should no longer be at the club.
Maybe Beek might comeback into the debate.
Again,if Pogs and Bruno are out we're buggered. Fred and McTom are tidy yet bland with the ball and Lingard and Perriera should no longer be at the club.
Maybe Beek might comeback into the debate.
I think he's a very talented player and have done since I saw him in the prem years ago. He can beat a man, pick a pass, and score goals - all valuable traits.
I think he's guilty of both playing in a bad team (none of the forwards can finish to save their lives) and also too far deep - Smith really should be playing him as a wide forward and let the midfield do the grunt as he's one of the few players that can actually score goals. When they had Wesley fit they as a team looked better - both because he could hold the ball up and finish.
That said I'm happy if he underperforms, because with Bruno and Pogba we don't really need him. We can't play him as an AM starter, and in the LW position we have both Rashford and Martial who can play that position. If we were going for someone for the LW (which we're not), I'd go for Maximin purely because he's an explosive dribbler.
We do however need higher quality rotational options - to upgrade on the likes of Lingard and Perreira. If we can get a deal like Pool did for Wjnaldum when Newcastle were relegated - something around £30m - £40m, then it would very much be worth it (though I'd think most Villa fans would be expecting more for their captain and star player). But at the higher end prices - the £60ms, we'd have to question whether we really need him right now. I would've said those prices would be better reserved for positions like RW - but with how Greenwood's playing we're in the position of being able to field genuine, in-their-prime quality in every position for the first time since I can remember - definitely since SAF left. So we may actually be in the position of being able to buy quality rotational players - in which case it'll come down to what the management think needs prioritising.
I think he's guilty of both playing in a bad team (none of the forwards can finish to save their lives) and also too far deep - Smith really should be playing him as a wide forward and let the midfield do the grunt as he's one of the few players that can actually score goals. When they had Wesley fit they as a team looked better - both because he could hold the ball up and finish.
That said I'm happy if he underperforms, because with Bruno and Pogba we don't really need him. We can't play him as an AM starter, and in the LW position we have both Rashford and Martial who can play that position. If we were going for someone for the LW (which we're not), I'd go for Maximin purely because he's an explosive dribbler.
We do however need higher quality rotational options - to upgrade on the likes of Lingard and Perreira. If we can get a deal like Pool did for Wjnaldum when Newcastle were relegated - something around £30m - £40m, then it would very much be worth it (though I'd think most Villa fans would be expecting more for their captain and star player). But at the higher end prices - the £60ms, we'd have to question whether we really need him right now. I would've said those prices would be better reserved for positions like RW - but with how Greenwood's playing we're in the position of being able to field genuine, in-their-prime quality in every position for the first time since I can remember - definitely since SAF left. So we may actually be in the position of being able to buy quality rotational players - in which case it'll come down to what the management think needs prioritising.
Jack would definitely be an upgrade on Lingard, for sure, but I just can’t see the point of spending 70m+ on him.
A lot of overreaction based on today or another one off match when he completely did United in the reverse fixture. His teammates around him are crap and he's asked to do everything. He'll eventually make the step up to a much better side and will have to do a lot less but still maximize his talent for the team (e.g. Pogba), but he'll be a good starter for a midtable side looking to get a European place or a primary sub/every now and then starter in a CL club in England.
Fairly confident Grealish wont go for 70 million.
30-40 would be his fee.
30-40 would be his fee.
he seemed to be picking the ball up on the left a lot, would people play him over rashford in current form?
could he cover there instead of James who as much as he seems canny is just never going to cut it here
could he cover there instead of James who as much as he seems canny is just never going to cut it here
He probably should have left Villa earlier in his career but he fannied about in his late teens/early 20s which stalled his development. You can see he has quality but probably needs to make a step up to a mid table/EL side before then making the jump to a CL/title side if possible. He’s only 24 so he still has time to do that but yeah.
People are v harsh on him, especially tonight I thought Neville complained about him a lot but I dunno what more he’s expected to do. He needs to go deep and then float out wide and then float into the middle again because the team around him is dreadful. Without him doing that they’d be even worse. Get him in a side with decent quality around him and he’d shine I reckon. Good fit for Southampton with the way they play.
I realise my post sounds a bit contradictory in places but I do think for him to get to the top he probably needs to take a patient path.
People are v harsh on him, especially tonight I thought Neville complained about him a lot but I dunno what more he’s expected to do. He needs to go deep and then float out wide and then float into the middle again because the team around him is dreadful. Without him doing that they’d be even worse. Get him in a side with decent quality around him and he’d shine I reckon. Good fit for Southampton with the way they play.
I realise my post sounds a bit contradictory in places but I do think for him to get to the top he probably needs to take a patient path.
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He gets all the attention all of the ball at Villa and today looked clueless. For someone who is supposed to be a great dribbler one of the best in the PL he did nothing with it to hurt us.
Fred is a good passer. Though he's more of a Matic kind of passer than Pogba or Bruno. Mctominay is average. I agree we need another creator but if Ole as reported doesn't think so then it's because he's fine with our current options.
If we have Sancho neither Pereira nor Lingard would make the bench. Take tonight's game for example, Sancho would probably take Greenwoods spot in the starting lineup while Greenwood takes Pereira's spot on the bench. Getting Sancho and Grealish however would mean Greenwood taking Pereira's spot on the bench and Grealish taking one of James/Fred/Mctominay's spot. Obviously Grealish is better than those three players but I think Ole rates them
Harsh. His team-mates literally offered him no support. I cant even remember their forwards tonight.
Did they play any ?
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Thing is tonight was his chance to shut everyone up and prove it in a high pressure match. Against a full strength United and be buckled.
He didn’t rise to the challenge he didn’t even attempt to and his one moment to shine he fluffed the volley.
If he’s coming off the bench for us you want to know in a high pressure game he’ll go for it and tonight he looked lost and devoid of ideas.
He pondered on the ball wanting to show how good he is on the ball without doing anything useful with it. He’d turn back and back again and then play a back pass he could have played in the first place.
Christ are people really basing his quality on one bad game against the most inform side in the league?
Like i said. His team is wank. He can’t be the star every single week. Players have poor games. He had a great game against you earlier in the season when theydrew against you.
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I’ve always been fair in my assessment of him on the pitch and always highlighted how his team doesn’t help him but for someone who people are lauding on this thread for his dribbling ability and how he can cause havoc when he runs at people he never once showed that tonight.
Instead he hid away dropping deep and wide where he can play low risk football. There is a reason he doesn’t play CM for Villa and it showed today he can’t control a game with his passing. Pogba can.
After the volley he removed himself from the game and played as if he just wanted to have good stats for the match rather than trying to win it or get a result.
It may seem harsh but it’s true IMO he bottled it tonight.
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