I would love him here and I feel Rashford and Bruno need that competition and it is not out of the realms of possibility that he starts important games because of his unique ability to keep the ball under pressure.
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Yeah I think he would be as well because just looks like he has that Utd DNA about him, maybe he needs to see Sancho ripping it up in the first couple of games in order to think I really want to be a part of that and I am going to tell my agent make it happen.
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Yeah that is the base figure that I am hoping for too
I get the transfer market is crazy. But over 50M for a 25-year-old with one strong EPL season isn't a first-choice international and doesn't walk into our starting XI seems excessive. I can't really think of anyone who got that type of fee. I mean, the closest is Mahrez who had won a couple of player of the year awards and was an established international. Maybe Nicolas Pepe last year. Even pre-covid the ask seems disproportionate to all transfers before it. While Sancho's fee is looking to be big, it doesn't seem out of line with similar transfers in recent years (Mbappe, Joao Felix, and Dembele). I fail to see a comparable transfer for the Grealish ask. Villa's free to ask for what they deem required, but some of the prices seem extreme and we'd be insane to even consider paying over 55m.
Villa are dumb, he's not going for close to 80m.
If this is their tactic to keep him then fair play. But if they want to make him happy and are trying to get a good deal for him and the club, theyl feck it up and get him pissed.
If this is their tactic to keep him then fair play. But if they want to make him happy and are trying to get a good deal for him and the club, theyl feck it up and get him pissed.
Arsenal have registered an interest... let's see how this one plays out...our priority is Jadon...this one could be a sneaky one late on
Yeah just remember Jack they can offer you more of a starting place but not champions league football
Yeah. I really like him and think he would be an amazing transfer for us, but that price is just absurd
I reckon between 50 to 60 or 65 at a push is where the sale can happen, it's a decent amount for him and it won't feel like we are paying over the odds. People talk about first 11 forgetting over a full season there is no such thing considering opponents, form, injuries, competitions. It's a first 16 or so. He is a utd fan as well. We should definitely do it.
Why would he even bother coming here, knowing fully well that he won't be first choice.
It'll do his chances of breaking into the England team absolutely no good and at 25 not being a starter would be detrimental to his career.
I feel the possibility of this happening is dead in the water, if pogba is willing to sign a new contract extension
It'll do his chances of breaking into the England team absolutely no good and at 25 not being a starter would be detrimental to his career.
I feel the possibility of this happening is dead in the water, if pogba is willing to sign a new contract extension
Jack Grealish could easily be a first teamer at United. People talk as if our first team is Exceptional. Grealish can upgrade our first team.
Its a squad game, he would be told that essentially 2 of the 3 of him, bruno and Pogba would start in those positions (and he has added versatility if we have a crisis on the wings). If he wants to be at a champions league club, that's the best he's going to get as he isn't of the level to be more.
But yeah i don't think this will happen. Villa want too much for the role he'd have.
I mean... the positions he could play are literally our strongest (Pogba, Bruno, Rashford). He'd improve our competition for places and someone like him is necessary regardless of if they'll be an automatic starter or not, since we can't start Bruno and Pogba in every game between league and Champions League and later FA Cup rounds. Just it's wiser to go for someone cheaper, as they want pretty much double what he's worth and what others on his level in pretty much the same role, from other leagues, would go for.
Villa are living in dreamland if they think someone is going to stump up £80M for Grealish.
Yeah that is the ballpark figure that I am thinking as well and could see this being the transfer saga of the summer now and not Sancho who looks to be well on the way to being sorted already.
Manchester United can improve on Pogba and Rashford if they want to win the league. I wouldn't say we are stronger in those positions. Grealish is consistently better than those 2.
I get clubs want to maximise their sales but fed up of these clubs trying to rob us with unrealistic prices. I'd have preferred they just got relegated
Maybe they don’t want to sell him
WUM, ban him
Interesting that they didn't just say not for sale but instead decided to use the high price tag tactic
Ban for what? Because I don't share your opinion? Pogba can be replaced and am sure he will be replaced. Rashford is not better than Martial and Greenwood. That is not to say they are good players. I just don't rate them highly, thats my opinion. I enjoy watching Martial, Greenwood and Bruno and if you don't like my opinion, don't comment on them.
Who can replace Pogba? Not sure City is willing to sell us De Bruyne.
Grealish can replace Pogba easily. My opinion.
Grealish will be overpriced at anything like what Villa want.
Good player but not sure I want.
He comes over as a bit of a bellnd as well.
Good player but not sure I want.
He comes over as a bit of a bellnd as well.
He really isn't.
No, he can't. He's not a box to box midfielder. He generally plays in a more advanced role like a #10 or the lead attacking midfielder in a midfield 3 which is Bruno's role, not Pogba's. Something Pogba can do, but not something he's asked to do when he is playing with Bruno in front of him. Grealish is in no way a suitable Pogba replacement for this formation, and there are few formations the would work with Grealish, Sancho, Martial, Bruno, and Greenwood all playing outside of a 4-2-3-1 with Grealish being the left-attacking midfielder. But, that's probably a strategy to use at home vs weaker opposition, and in that scenario, he's a replacement for Rashford, not Pogba.
I agree, but if there's any player in the world less likely to kick up a fuss if a transfer hasn't materialized, then it's Jack Grealish at Villa.
It already happened 2 years ago, where he was off to Spurs due to the club's financial issues. He even said he thought it was done and dusted. Mind you the jump was from the Championship to a top 4 team, so even bigger than now. It didn't happen, he put his head down and produced a masterful season to help the team achieve promotion. I imagine the people banking on him kicking up a fuss to try to force a move will be disappointed.
If United don't feel he's worth whatever Villa say he is that's fine, it's business. But I find the arrogance of some fans suggesting the selling club better lower their price so the player can move to be off putting. If for example Real came and offered £40m for Rashford, could you imagine Madrid fans saying United shouldn't hold the lad hostage and just lower their asking price etc. A player is worth whatever the club thinks he is.
You'd think the recent game with Villa would show that Grealish (as good as he is), isn't as good as Pogba
That's not really accurate. In terms of where he's been deployed centrally, in midfield, over the last two seasons (or since Smith became manager anyway), Grealish has most often been used on the left of a 4-3-3 in roughly the equivalent to Pogba's role, with McGinn being deployed as what you would call the lead attacking midfielder from the right of the three.
Even if you were adamant that playing in a deeper two in a 4-2-3-1 is vastly different and Grealish can't do it or there's no evidence that he can do it, playing a 4-3-3 with Matic holding, Grealish left and Fernandes right - so effectively Grealish directly replacing Pogba in the lineup with a tweak to the formation - is about as close as you can get to the midfield setup he consistently played in under Smith.
Yes because a player's performances never fluctuate...
You think Grealish is better than Pogba?
No. That's not based on our last game against Villa though.
So you were being cantankerous for the sake of it then?
Pogba has mostly been positioned as the box to box guy in the midfield since he returned to the starting line-up. With Bruno given the freedom to roam, and Matic asked to stay back. Pogba clearly doesn't have the same freedom to roam Bruno does. Even if on the formation it looks the same on paper, how it is tactically implemented is much different. Pogba is asked to drop back to the final 1/3rd to bring the ball out much more than Bruno is, who has significant freedom to jump into attack. What Grealish is asked to do for Villa, is much closer to what Bruno is asked to do tactically, even if they line-up on different sides. Asking Grealish to play Pogba's box to box role in the current formation, which often resembles a 4-2-3-1, would not be using Grealish in his common roles for Villa. Grealish constantly played as a left-sided attacker or as the #10 for Villa, not really a box to box role. Tactically, what Grealish does, is more suited for either Bruno or Rashford's role.
What’s arrogant is thinking that moving up from Aston Villa to Manchester United is in any way equivalent to moving from Manchester United to Real Madrid.
Grealish has given Villa a brilliant return. Now if he wants to make something of his career many people believe it’s a bit shitty of Villa to price him out of a move by taking the piss.
And a player is worth whatever someone else is prepared to pay.
Didn’t Rashford just get voted into third place for FWA Player Of The Year despite missing a part of the season with injury ? I’d say Rashford was constistently better than pretty much everyone over the entire season including Grealish and Grealish has played one season in the Premier League which also happened to be the season Pogba missed virtually all of it until the recent restart so they’re incomparable.
I’m sorry though but anyone in general believing Grealish is better than Pogba needs their head looking at, Pogba has never done for us what we thought he’d do BUT he is a genuine world class player that’s done it on the biggest stages at club and international level whilst Grealish isn’t even a squad regular at international level.
I’d like Grealish to sign for us at the right price and he’d improve our squad options but he’s not better than Pogba or Rashford or starting over Fernandes either, we’d be better with Grealish in our squad but unlike Sancho he doesn’t improve our starting eleven.
Am 100 per cent sure Grealish can do whatever Pogba does on the pitch. Take out his individual skills, I don't see anything that Pogba does in this team that makes me say wow we can't do without him. He is a liability, we all know it, opposition know it and Fergie knew it( playing the young Brazilian defender in midfield over him). In my honest opinion, we will get more from Grealish than Pogba. Apart from a few Pogba fan boys , I don't know any football fan who rates him that highly. Its all about his name now. No substance. I don't care what he did for France or Juventus, I just feel he has been a failure here at least for the money paid. Again I don't want anyone getting their knickers in a twist here. THIS IS MY OPINION. IT IS NOT A FACT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, FAIR ENOUGH BUT I WON'T CHANGE IT.
Grealish played mostly on the left of a front three this season I think.
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I understand what you're trying to say and agree in part but it has to be said that Grealish is entitled to push for a move and in fairness Villa should accept that and perhaps come to a compromise. Ronaldo came to United and it was clear his boyhood dream club was Real. We turned him into a superstar, he helped us win everything and Sir Alex agreed if he gave us another season he could have his move. Yes we got good money but in hindsight could we have pushed for more or held on to him? Probably. Did we do right in what we did though? Most certainly. Obviously both situations are not identical but I think it's a valid argument to be had that if Villa ask for too much money they aren't doing right by Grealish and he might rightly feel annoyed about it given how he stayed in the Championship last season and helped get you promoted and he stayed with you this season and helped keep you up!
When it comes to price you have to consider covid and other similar recent deals like Bruno Fernandes. There's absolutely no justification to seek £80m for Grealish. It's not a fair price nor is it fair to the player.
I understand what you're trying to say and agree in part but it has to be said that Grealish is entitled to push for a move and in fairness Villa should accept that and perhaps come to a compromise. Ronaldo came to United and it was clear his boyhood dream club was Real. We turned him into a superstar, he helped us win everything and Sir Alex agreed if he gave us another season he could have his move. Yes we got good money but in hindsight could we have pushed for more or held on to him? Probably. Did we do right in what we did though? Most certainly. Obviously both situations are not identical but I think it's a valid argument to be had that if Villa ask for too much money they aren't doing right by Grealish and he might rightly feel annoyed about it given how he stayed in the Championship last season and helped get you promoted and he stayed with you this season and helped keep you up!
When it comes to price you have to consider covid and other similar recent deals like Bruno Fernandes. There's absolutely no justification to seek £80m for Grealish. It's not a fair price nor is it fair to the player.
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