Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract

[croadyman]

I have to be honest, I just don't see the hype with him at all. I also dont see why we need him.

His main positions are CAM and LW, both where we have options.

CAM
Bruno
Pogba
Even Greenwood and Fred can play there.

LW
Rashford
James
Martial

Chong can also play both of those spots and I have to be honest I think we will be keeping one of Mata, Perreria, Lingard. To me it makes much more sense to get a top class CDM and then its 2 from 5 / 6 in our 2 midfield

New CDM
Pogba
Matic
Mct
Fred
Also Garner for some cup mins.


This would also allow us to rotate Pogba into the 10 position some matches who is already a better 10 than whoever were going to sign anyways.

Very confident we won't be signing a CDM until at least next summer,Grealish/VDB & CB are dependent on getting some off the wage bill.

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

He’d play in every single game, whether it be starting or first attacking substitution. Our first attacking substitution at present is either Lingard or James. Even Spurs, Arsenal and Leicester are bringing players off the bench more likely to score than they are.

We need six or seven quality options across the front four. Just like City manage to keep Aguero, Sterling, Mahrez, Silva, Bernardo, Foden, De Bruyne and Jesus relatively happy, we need to be able to do the same.

This thread is full of people that seem to have a problem with buying good players. It’s a little odd.

You nailed it.

People need to stop thinking starting 11. A starting 11 cannot play all league games and all Chanpions League games. Statistically someone gets hurt, sick or loses form.

Yes when we were all younger a starting 11 played the entire season. It is no longer the case. The game is too fast. Lower level clubs are stronger.

These days you pay for competition in your squad. If we bought Grealish he doesnt come in to back up Pogba or Bruno. He comes in to compete with them. Grealish will suit different opposition better than either.

 

[Wolverine]

He's not as rapid as Sancho but Grealish clearly would be a great buy as an alternative. Buendia is really good too but Grealish will score and assist more I feel. I also think Grealish will be more consistent too as an attacking player.
Just hinges on how much we're willing to fork out.

 

[croadyman]

You nailed it.

People need to stop thinking starting 11. A starting 11 cannot play all league games and all Chanpions League games. Statistically someone gets hurt, sick or loses form.

Yes when we were all younger a starting 11 played the entire season. It is no longer the case. The game is too fast. Lower level clubs are stronger.

These days you pay for competition in your squad. If we bought Grealish he doesnt come in to back up Pogba or Bruno. He comes in to compete with them. Grealish will suit different opposition better than either.

Yeah shouldn't worry about how new signings affect the game time of current players. Competition for places is very healthy and will make people play better

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

You're right, I haven't seen him enough but I think coming from Norwich to United is a big step up. Being expected to win every week is a different level. Grealish carried Villa out of relegation and kept them up, that's a different mentality there.

I want Grealish but I'd be surprised if this club goes past 40m for him. Especially when there are good and cheaper alternatives like Buendia and even VdB(haven't seen him much).

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

He’d play in every single game, whether it be starting or first attacking substitution. Our first attacking substitution at present is either Lingard or James. Even Spurs, Arsenal and Leicester are bringing players off the bench more likely to score than they are.

We need six or seven quality options across the front four. Just like City manage to keep Aguero, Sterling, Mahrez, Silva, Bernardo, Foden, De Bruyne and Jesus relatively happy, we need to be able to do the same.

This thread is full of people that seem to have a problem with buying good players. It’s a little odd.

You're talking like Grealish is the only available good AM that we can get as rotation. Is he the only good AM available? Most people are not saying we don't need Grealish but that he would be expensive. Yet some of you change the context and interpret it as us not needing good squad depth

 

[RedRonaldo]

His worth in non covid market:
If Villa stay up: 80m:
If Villa went down: 50-60m

His worth in post covid market
If Villa stay up: 60m
If Villa went down: 35-40m

 

[Kag]

You're talking like Grealish is the only available good AM that we can get as rotation. Is he the only good AM available?

I have no idea. But he’s the right kind of available and the club would do well to buy him. Consider the way he scored yesterday with five minutes to spare, in a game Villa had to get a result. He’s a proper character and the sort of character you want in your squad. Some fancy lad like Buendia might look alright but he isn’t guaranteeing you that. Characters are important, too; the difference between Bruno tucking away yesterday’s penalty and not.

 

[Goku23]

its looking like Sancho will be our only signing unless we can sell a few players Dortmund are not budging on £100mil

 

[sherrinford]

We can though. I don't know how many times it has to be repeated but we won't be paying the full transfer fee up front so the price may be £60m but the fee this summer will be between £20m - £30m.

It's still relevant. Maguire (and one other I think but can't recall) were unconditional fees but generally, yes, we will pay in instalments as with every other club. We will have instalments due to be paid this summer from previous year's transfers - there's no reason to think we have a clean slate in that regard going into this window. It's much easier to just consider the overall package and whether it aligns with how much we typically spend, from our point of view on the outside. And anyone objecting to a transfer fee of £60m or so doesn't seem to believe we literally can't afford it as opposed to simply believing the money could more wisely be used on other areas.

 

[Brwned]

Something about Grealish that has people wetting their shorts for him. I find it ridiculous people think we should spend more than 40m for Grealish that would be rotation. Surely he's not the only good back up AM in the world or is he?

There's lots of things about Grealish. Hungry, British, courageous and versatile are all things Sir Alex loved in a player. In the last decade we've consistently underestimated that first factor, or consistently overestimated our ability to motivate top players by our prestige alone.

James Rodriguez would likely be a cheaper backup #10 with more proven talent but we'd be taking another huge risk in assuming he'd be motivated to playing for us after playing for two bigger clubs and on a downward personal trajectory. Grealish is full of confidence and desperate to play for a club like ours, which matters particularly when things aren't going smoothly for the team or when you're struggling to establish a first team position, i.e. Exactly the position you'd expect a backup in a young inconsistent team to find themselves in.

Pretty much the only thing he hasn't proven is that he can be one of many rather than the star player who gets the ball as often as he'd like. Otherwise he's a bargain.

 

[Adnan]

 

[croadyman]

I have no idea. But he’s the right kind of available and the club would do well to buy him. Consider the way he scored yesterday with five minutes to spare, in a game Villa had to get a result. He’s a proper character and the sort of character you want in your squad. Some fancy lad like Buendia might look alright but he isn’t guaranteeing you that. Characters are important, too; the difference between Bruno tucking away yesterday’s penalty and not.

Yeah that is why I want him because strikes me as someone with the right character on the pitch to stand up in the big moments

 

[altodevil]

He's not worth the figures bandied about. He will be another in the long line of big fish small pond English players that are horrendously overrated.

 

[crossy1686]

Grealish will force this through for a lower fee, similar to what Yorke did all those years ago. I think signing Sancho first will make players like Grealish desperate to be part of what's going on at United.

 

[El Jefe]

£65m for a squad player? Feck right off.

Not only is this an unnecessary signing but we have much more pressing concerns in a RW, CB and DM. If Pogba stays, he's the replacement for Bruno should he get injured. Rashford, Martial and Sancho can all play on the left so what's the need for Grealish. Sure if he cost £20m why not but at the rumoured price it makes no sense.

 

[crossy1686]

He's not worth the figures bandied about. He will be another in the long line of big fish small pond English players that are horrendously overrated.

List of most creative players this season:

Position	Player	Chances created	Minutes Played
1st	Kevin De Bruyne	120	2,618
2nd	Jack Grealish	87	3,054
3rd	Trent Alexander-Arnold	85	3,081
4th	Emiliano Buendia	83	2,462
5th	James Maddison	79	2,628
6th	Willian	76	2,542
7th	Joao Moutinho	76	2,986
8th	Lucas Digne	70	2,875
9th	James Ward-Prowse	60	3,330
10th	Riyad Mahrez	59	1,869

I'm afraid he is worth the figures being banded around.

TransferMarket value him at £35m. Villa will want more than that obviously.

 

[croadyman]

Grealish will force this through for a lower fee, similar to what Yorke did all those years ago. I think signing Sancho first will make players like Grealish desperate to be part of what's going on at United.

Yeah I think he could push for the move when all the dust settles. Always remember Gregory's line about wsnting to shoot Dwight.

 

[Solius]

I'd take him for £40m but anything over that would be a bit silly imo.

 

[croadyman]

£65m for a squad player? Feck right off.

Not only is this an unnecessary signing but we have much more pressing concerns in a RW, CB and DM. If Pogba stays, he's the replacement for Bruno should he get injured. Rashford, Martial and Sancho can all play on the left so what's the need for Grealish. Sure if he cost £20m why not but at the rumoured price it makes no sense.

Won't be that much as someone has said,it will be something like £50m plus addons

 

[altodevil]

List of most creative players this season:

Position	Player	Chances created	Minutes Played
1st	Kevin De Bruyne	120	2,618
2nd	Jack Grealish	87	3,054
3rd	Trent Alexander-Arnold	85	3,081
4th	Emiliano Buendia	83	2,462
5th	James Maddison	79	2,628
6th	Willian	76	2,542
7th	Joao Moutinho	76	2,986
8th	Lucas Digne	70	2,875
9th	James Ward-Prowse	60	3,330
10th	Riyad Mahrez	59	1,869

I'm afraid he is worth the figures being banded around.

TransferMarket value him at £35m. Villa will want more than that obviously.

The names on that list aren't exactly stellar company though are they?

 

[crossy1686]

The names on that list aren't exactly stellar company though are they?

They're the most creative players in the PL, make of it what you will.

 

[Van Piorsing]

The names on that list aren't exactly stellar company though are they?

Top 3 are high quality though.

 

[croadyman]

They're the most creative players in the PL, make of it what you will.

Yeah I would take at least seven players off that list for Utd any day of the week

 

[bosnian_red]

It depends on our ambitions I think. Signing him to challenge the first team and be depth is what a club like United needs to do. We need to have 1 player per group essentially that can come in for any injury in that grouping of players, or rotating anyone, or resting for fatigue or form (general competition for places), as well as changing things during the game with a stronger bench.

Signing Sancho will give us 4 players to start between 3 positions in attack. Grealish to rotate between Pogba and Fernandes. Matic/McTominay/Fred for the other position at a lower level though. All have enough players on a similar level to get that competition where if someone's not performing, you sub them out or rotate them out and someone else steps in and its what we have to keep building towards to get a squad that has that competition. Loads of games to be played and everyone needs to be on it, no more opportunities to do big rotations, so we need higher level players in the squad to rotate (and essentially play the same amount of minutes as the others, just one to sit out if all are fit and firing).

Of course, Grealish isn't a necessity per se. We have a hole at RW in the attack which is #1 priority, and then next year we'll have to sort out the CDM position, and there are always question marks with our CB composition and fullback group. But as we all saw this restart, we basically can't rest or rotate either Bruno and Pogba, and if their level drops, ours drops. Grealish would stem that drop. So if we could pick 2 signings to make the most difference over a season both in terms of performance and squad development, I'd say it would be Grealish and Sancho. Sorts out the attacking/creative group, while we have depth at the holding mid and defensive positions, just all at a lower quality. But at the same time, our defensive record was good enough over a season that it makes more sense to prioritize the attack and depth in creative midfield.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

You're talking like Grealish is the only available good AM that we can get as rotation. Is he the only good AM available? Most people are not saying we don't need Grealish but that he would be expensive. Yet some of you change the context and interpret it as us not needing good squad depth

They are not reading it, that's the issue. Everyone know we need a squad depth and I'm sure everyone are in agreement that having Grealish is better than having Lingard or Mata.

We have certain amount of budget that we can spend and our previous manager failed to spend the money wisely. If centre back was so important, the manager (Mourinho) could stop waste the money on midfielder like Fred and use the money on centre back instead.

 

[Cassidy]

Top 3 are high quality though.

Top 5

 

[Compton22]

 

[Beachryan]

It's reasonably simple: he's not our 'main' buy this summer, but he's an obvious way to improve our squad. So we make a reasonable offer to his camp, put in context as such and then see if he's willing to rock the boat to push through a move.

In a sense, we're (for once) in a good position. We can offer:
- A record fee for a Villa sale (even if c. 35m)
- A chance for Grealish to step up to a CL club, in his prime
- A natural parting point for the player and the club, which should be pretty amicable
- We seem to be the main option, and he seems to like us as a club

Now Villa would obviously want a bidding war with City, but the player has some power here too.

 

[Shark]

I think 35m would be fair, maybe rising to 40m. Sell Lingard and Mata for roughly 15m combined and we're good.

 

[Orc]

Just seems like it would be a strange move for both United and Grealish himself. United spending £50m or whatever for a player that doesn't improve your first XI. Grealish would go from being the main man, the talisman through which everything flows for Villa to parked on United's bench more often than not. Yes, he'd get plenty of games but he'd always be a squad player rather than a starman like he is now.

Surely a move to Arsenal, Tottenham, or a club of that stature and level makes more sense? He'd walk straight into those starting XI's.

 

[bond19821982]

Just seems like it would be a strange move for both United and Grealish himself. United spending £50m or whatever for a player that doesn't improve your first XI. Grealish would go from being the main man, the talisman through which everything flows for Villa to parked on United's bench more often than not. Yes, he'd get plenty of games but he'd always be a squad player rather than a starman like he is now.

Surely a move to Arsenal, Tottenham, or a club of that stature and level makes more sense? He'd walk straight into those starting XI's.

With that asking price, he is moving nowhere. Bit like Zaha situation

 

[TheReligion]

The names on that list aren't exactly stellar company though are they?

They aren't?

 

[The Man Himself]

I'd take him for £40m but anything over that would be a bit silly imo.

What about 40M + 1, Arsenal style?

 

[Mark Pawelek]

List of most creative players this season:

Position	Player	Chances created	Minutes Played
1st	Kevin De Bruyne	120	2,618
2nd	Jack Grealish	87	3,054
3rd	Trent Alexander-Arnold	85	3,081
4th	Emiliano Buendia	83	2,462
5th	James Maddison	79	2,628
6th	Willian	76	2,542
7th	Joao Moutinho	76	2,986
8th	Lucas Digne	70	2,875
9th	James Ward-Prowse	60	3,330
10th	Riyad Mahrez	59	1,869

I'm afraid he is worth the figures being banded around.

TransferMarket value him at £35m. Villa will want more than that obviously.

If we buy him we drop Bruno Fernandes. Because it's pointless buying an expensive player (£65m) just to bench them.

Best play-makers manage 4 chances created (KeyPass) per game (Dimitri Payet, DeBruyne). But chances created isn't the only stat.

SpG = shots per game can be equally good, provided you score often.

PS: table below is just a guide as it's out of date for most players in it (missing many of their games later in the season)

​

Age​

League​

​

​

Mins​

goal​

assist​

SpG​

AirWon​

MotM​

Rating​

KeyPass​

Dribbles​

​

Jefferson Montero​

30​

e2​

2(12)​

14​

312​

0​

0​

0.0​

0.3​

0​

6.4​

4.0​

3.5​

​

Dimitri Payet​

33​

f1​

22​

22​

1937​

9​

4​

2.9​

0.4​

8​

7.7​

4.0​

2.3​

​

Bruno Fernandes​

25​

p1​

17​

17​

1530​

8​

7​

3.5​

0.8​

4​

7.8​

3.7​

1.8​

(Sporting)​

Christopher Nkunku​

22​

g1​

15(8)​

23​

1927​

5​

13​

2.4​

1.3​

0​

7.6​

3.5​

2.6​

​

Ángel Di María​

32​

f1​

23(3)​

26​

2005​

8​

14​

2.8​

0​

6​

7.8​

3.0​

2.6​

​

Luis Alberto​

27​

i1​

25​

25​

2152​

4​

12​

2.8​

0.4​

8​

7.7​

3.0​

2.1​

​

Jack Grealish​

24​

e1​

25​

25​

2244​

7​

6​

2.2​

0.6​

3​

7.4​

2.8​

2.3​

​

Douglas Costa​

29​

i1​

6(8)​

14​

515​

0​

3​

1.7​

0.2​

0​

7.1​

2.8​

4.2​

​

Cengiz Under​

23​

i1​

9(6)​

15​

775​

3​

0​

2.9​

0.6​

1​

7.3​

2.8​

3.4​

​

James Maddison​

23​

e1​

27(1)​

28​

2404​

6​

3​

2.2​

0.3​

4​

7.3​

2.7​

1.6​

​

Emiliano Buendía​

23​

e1​

20(6)​

26​

1836​

0​

7​

1.1​

0.8​

6​

7.2​

2.7​

3.3​

​

Jadon Sancho​

20​

g1​

21(4)​

25​

1843​

14​

16​

2.2​

0.0​

6​

8.0​

2.6​

3.0​

​

Neymar​

28​

f1​

15​

15​

1322​

13​

6​

4.7​

0.1​

8​

8.6​

2.6​

6​

​

Anton Miranchuk​

24​

r1​

9(1)​

10​

749​

2​

1​

2.2​

0.7​

2​

7.1​

2.6​

1.3​

​

Matheus Pereira​

24​

e2​

29(4)​

33​

2591​

6​

12​

2.2​

0.6​

4​

7.3​

2.5​

1.5​

​

Lionel Messi​

32​

s1​

21(1)​

22​

1891​

19​

12​

4.8​

0.3​

13​

8.6​

2.5​

5.4​

​

John Swift​

25​

e2​

31(1)​

32​

2653​

5​

10​

1.5​

0.7​

7​

7.3​

2.4​

1.8​

​

Hee-Chan Hwang​

24​

a1​

6​

6​

540​

3​

3​

2.3​

0.5​

1​

7.7​

2.3​

1.3​

​

Pablo Hernández​

35​

e2​

25(3)​

28​

2115​

6​

6​

2.3​

0.2​

2​

7.2​

2.3​

1.1​

​

Stewart Downing​

35​

e2​

32(2)​

34​

2826​

2​

7​

1.1​

0.2​

2​

6.9​

2.3​

0.5​

​

Barry Bannan​

30​

e2​

33(2)​

35​

3043​

2​

7​

1.1​

0.1​

1​

7.0​

2.3​

0.9​

​

Adama Traoré​

24​

f1​

12(3)​

15​

1011​

1​

4​

1.1​

0.8​

1​

7.0​

2.3​

1.9​

​

Marcos Acuña​

28​

p1​

17(1)​

18​

1503​

2​

1​

0.7​

1.6​

1​

7.0​

2.3​

1.1​

​

Mateus Tetê​

20​

r1​

21(3)​

24​

1541​

5​

4​

2.6​

1.0​

0​

6.7​

2.3​

1.6​

​

Martin Ødegaard​

21​

s1​

22(1)​

23​

2013​

4​

5​

1.8​

0.3​

3​

7.3​

2.3​

2.4​

​

Sébastien Corchia​

29​

s1​

3​

3​

270​

0​

0​

1.0​

0.0​

1​

7.1​

2.3​

2.0​

​

Ignacio Fernández​

30​

a1​

18​

18​

1570​

5​

3​

3​

1​

3​

7.7​

2.2​

2.5​

​

Ondrej Duda​

25​

e1​

5​

5​

407​

0​

0​

1.0​

0.8​

0​

6.9​

2.2​

0.4​

​

Jed Wallace​

26​

e2​

35​

35​

3094​

10​

9​

2.3​

0.6​

6​

7.3​

2.2​

2.2​

​

Isaiah Brown​

23​

e2​

15(7)​

22​

1307​

1​

6​

0.9​

0.8​

0​

6.9​

2.2​

2.0​

​

Saïd Benrahma​

24​

e2​

30(4)​

34​

2765​

10​

7​

3.7​

0.2​

7​

7.4​

2.2​

3.1​

​

Mounir Chouiar​

21​

f1​

18(2)​

20​

1514​

4​

0​

2​

0.7​

4​

7.3​

2.2​

3.5​

​

Kai Havertz​

21​

g1​

24​

24​

2035​

10​

5​

1.9​

1.5​

3​

7.4​

2.2​

2.2​

​

Callum Hudson-Odoi​

19​

e1​

7(13)​

20​

809​

1​

4​

2.3​

0.2​

0​

6.9​

2.1​

2.9​

​

Alex Mowatt​

25​

e2​

35​

35​

3107​

3​

7​

1.7​

1.1​

3​

6.9​

2.1​

0.8​

​

Jack Harrison​

23​

e2​

37​

37​

3142​

5​

7​

1.7​

0.6​

4​

7.0​

2.1​

1.9​

​

Mohamed Ihattaren​

18​

f1​

26(2)​

28​

2261​

4​

7​

2.4​

0.3​

1​

7.2​

2.1​

2.5​

​

Sandro Tonali​

19​

i1​

23​

23​

2041​

1​

5​

0.8​

0.4​

0​

7.0​

2.1​

1.4​

​

Gabriel Ávalos​

29​

a1​

22​

22​

1888​

3​

4​

2​

7​

1​

7.2​

2​

1.2​

​

Nicolás De La Cruz​

23​

a1​

16(1)​

17​

1347​

4​

5​

3​

1​

4​

7.3​

2​

1.6​

​

Melvin Bard​

19​

f1​

0(1)​

1​

45​

0​

0​

0​

2​

0​

6.8​

2.0​

0.0​

​

Kylian Mbappé​

21​

f1​

17(3)​

20​

1516​

18​

5​

4.4​

0.2​

6​

8.1​

2.0​

2.8​

​

Zinedine Ferhat​

27​

f1​

25(1)​

26​

2249​

3​

4​

1.7​

2.8​

2​

7.1​

2​

1.9​

​

Marcel Sabitzer​

26​

g1​

24(1)​

25​

2047​

8​

5​

2.4​

0.8​

1​

7.3​

2.0​

0.6​

​

Iago Falque​

30​

i1​

0(1)​

1​

32​

0​

0​

0.0​

0.0​

0​

6.3​

2.0​

0.0​

​

Salva Sevilla​

36​

s1​

24​

24​

1859​

3​

3​

0.9​

0.5​

0​

6.6​

2.0​

0.3​

​

Darío Sarmiento​

17​

a1​

0(5)​

5​

136​

0​

0​

2.0​

0.0​

0​

6.5​

2.0​

9.3​

​

Gonzalo Plata​

19​

p1​

4(7)​

11​

456​

1​

1​

2.0​

1.0​

0​

7.2​

2.0​

2.6​

​

Lucaz Vazquez​

29​

s1​

6(8)​

14​

640​

2​

1​

1.3​

0.3​

0​

7.1​

2.0​

2.3​

​

 

[TheReligion]

Just seems like it would be a strange move for both United and Grealish himself. United spending £50m or whatever for a player that doesn't improve your first XI. Grealish would go from being the main man, the talisman through which everything flows for Villa to parked on United's bench more often than not. Yes, he'd get plenty of games but he'd always be a squad player rather than a starman like he is now.

Surely a move to Arsenal, Tottenham, or a club of that stature and level makes more sense? He'd walk straight into those starting XI's.

Agreed. I mean I'd like him at United as I think he's a good player but he'd be replacing someone like Mata from the squad rather than a member of the first eleven. If he's happy with that, and the price is right, great.

That said you're going to have similar issues at Chelsea in keeping Mount, CHO, Gilmour and Abraham playing with all of your new signings.

 

[CM]

£65m is too steep for a Grealish type. Villa are probably within their right to ask that after staying up but we have too many positions to address to be spending that on a squad player.

 

[groovyalbert]

If we're forced to pay over 60m for him, then we're better of at going for vdB for basically 20m less.

 

[croadyman]

If we're forced to pay over 60m for him, then we're better of at going for vdB for basically 20m less.

Like both players but just cannot get away from the feeling that Jack will light up this place given the opportunity. Honestly think he is born to wear the Utd shirt which might sound mad I know

 

[Donald Silverbridge]

My last post of the day, I hope we get him, I don't care how much he'll cost neither, We need options on our bench.