"It is simple. To do something, we need to sell players."

I think we can raise around 160-180m with sales and imagine INEOS will be good to use that for incomings.

Rashford - 40m
Antony - 30m
Sancho - 25m
Malacia - 10m
Garnacho - 60m
Zirkzee - 40m (I think he may stay as well depending on how the rest of season goes)

That’s 165m-205m. Plus we have been able to move on some of our highest paid players in Rashford, Martial, Varane, Sancho as well as some others like Eriksen , Lindelof, Antony, Evans, Malacia. Casemiro only had a year left so he is gone either way next season. That only leaves the issue of Mount, and Shaw. We just have to pray that they can find some fitness at some point.
 
Wouldn’t be surprised if villa don’t take the option on Rashford and he ended up staying or going out on loan again.

Antony will probably join Betis for about 15m, Sancho will be about 20m seeing as Chelsea will probably finish 4th or 5th.

We might get 30-40 for Zirkzee and 60m for Garnacho, but then we’re into players who would need their own replacements, rather than just plugging holes elsewhere. We’d basically need an entire new front 3 with that money.

In short, we’re fecked unless we stumble across another class of 92 or just decide we don’t care about PSR
 
Insanity said:
We might need to sell Old Trafford the way the season is going. Our revenues next season would be seriously depleted without any European football. On top of that we are going to lose a portion of the Adidas money for not qualifying for the CL two seasons in a row. The share from the PL will be the lowest it has ever been as it looks like we are not going to finish in the top 12.

We don't have many salable assets as well. We'll get the Sancho money and if we are lucky we'd be able to find buyers for our three loanees. Other than that it's only Mainoo and Garnacho that we can sell. I would be shocked if we can get more than a combined 100m for them.

The idea that we can sell and then use 5X of the amount generated to fund our buys is not steeped in reality. We already struggling for cash-flow and have previous amortization payments too to add to our debt payments (interest/coupon). We just cannot go on and spend money with gay abandon and punt our problems for a future date in Barcelona kind of profligacy.
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On the point about the Adidas money, we're penalized £10m every year we're out of the CL under the new deal. "Two years in a row" isn't relevant anymore.
 
Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Eriksen, Malacia and Casemiro will almost certainly all be off in the summer.

In addition to probably Evans and Lindelof, that represents a massive cutback on wages, also ignoring any transfer fees we'll get for Sancho and hopefully Rashford, Antony and Casemiro.

Hopefully, you can then bring in 3 players with that money you've saved on wages.

Any additional incomings might be a case of looking for loan moves with an option/obligation to buy in 2026 and maybe even a free agent or two.

The situation isn't as bad as it looks purely on a transfer market basis.
 
Am I the only one that thinks we need to push sentimentality aside and properly entertain selling Bruno? Already 30 years old, he has very little value to us in a 2-3 year rebuild, so why not sell whilst he still has value to a club who would probably over-pay for a player with his reputation?

Maybe we leave it one more season and just focus on getting rid of all of the deadweight this summer, and he is one of the actual leaders we have, but I don't think it should be off the table.
 
It's such a sad situation to see this club in. Years ago people predicted that the Glazers would run the club into the ground to this level, but I don't think I ever believed it would come to this.

I would sell pretty much anyone other than Amad and Dorgu (cause we just signed him) from the first team squad. We need a big clear out but most of these players won't bring in much cash, so it'll be a very slow process.

Expect Rashford to be back here in the Summer too, because he isn't signing for Villa permanently, and I don't believe for a second that Barcelona want the useless git.
 
There needs to a a clear selling strategy that should be developed over the next 3 - 5 years.

Nobody is irreplaceable in this squad at the moment but there are key areas that we need to prioritise to fix. Similarly, we can't expect to sell everybody because we will leave ourselves to short in numbers with a threadbare squad.

Amorim and Ineos should have enough of an idea now on who they should sell next year and who they should be looking to move on in 2- 3 years.

I like the investment in youth because they can develop into squad players and can be sold in 2-3 years alongside senior players (who we might move on but for a substantial loss in most cases)

I would hope we have an acquisition plan based around which players we can offload. This would have to be based on
- What are the price demands?
- Is it a priority position?
- Are they interested in MUFC?

No point selling the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho if we bring in players of a similar ilk.
 
chris123 said:
Am I the only one that thinks we need to push sentimentality aside and properly entertain selling Bruno? Already 30 years old, he has very little value to us in a 2-3 year rebuild, so why not sell whilst he still has value to a club who would probably over-pay for a player with his reputation?

Maybe we leave it one more season and just focus on getting rid of all of the deadweight this summer, and he is one of the actual leaders we have, but I don't think it should be off the table.
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I’d sell if someone offered decent money. He’s been playing below par for ages now.
 
It’s going to take at least 3 years for United to be truly competitive again imo, and the club has to sell/move on players this summer.

With that timeframe in mind…I’d really like to read people’s views on which of the current academy players are likely to become a significant part of the first team squad.
 
I think the transfers since from last summer onwards suggest we have people that know what they are doing, both outgoing transfers, and incoming transfer fees and wages. Think we will have to sell Garnacho and I can see us continuing down the youth route. Still hopeful we might get into Europe, would help us a good bit
 
Getting the wage structure right is the key. Getting rid of Casemiro, Antony, Sancho, Rashford, Lindelof and Eriksen will not only save c. £60m a year, but will be critical in shaping a new pay structure that will allow more investment on an ongoing basis and ensure that the expectations aren't where they've been in the past where anyone with a decent pricetag believes an eight figure pay check to be par for the course. It will also critically allow us to sell players far more easily and for far larger fees, which is a must to navigate the sustainability rules.

If we can formulate a squad where you can actually see tiers of pay commensurate to the proven ability of the players (in a top league) we will start to see what is the norm in football... A strong correlation between wage bill and success.

In fairness I think we've already seen progress in this area since Woodward left. My guess is the likes of Yoro, Hojlund, Dorgu, Zirkzee... even Garnacho's contract renewal would have seen them earning double under the previous management.

Naturally getting the likes of Maguire, Mount, Shaw etc on a contract more commensurate of their contribution will take longer, but there have been good signs recently.
 
I'd not worry about the goalkeeper position right now. That wouldn't be transformative.

We need a striker that can score goals and a direct, attacking, specialist right wing-back that can beat a man and get a good cross in.

We could also really do with an energetic, mobile, box-to-box midfielder to partner Ugarte, free up Mainoo and Bruno and replace the dead legs that will surely be shipped out.

The squad needs more, clearly, but we are working on a low budget, by our standards.
 
As well as selling off our best player assets, can we not sell the stadium naming rights or something. Would that help with PSR? It’d bring in good money. There must be other ‘levers’ we can pull ala Barcelona as well.
 
I think realistically we can sell players for good amounts this window.

Sancho - 25M - Deal already agreed should be only rubber stamped
Rashford - 40M - with the way he has started they will jump on that option.
Antony - 25M - Same as above, his form looks good hopefully he can fetch good amount.
Garnacho - 65M - Should be sold, he is one player, who i strongly believe is the best time to sell and will remain inconsistent forever.
Casemiro - 15M - Would be very surprised if somebody takes the plunge for him
Malacia - 10M - this should be easy sale, with low wages.
Eriksen - Free
Lindelof - Free

Total - 180M sales. Assuming we need at least 6 first team players and we sign a two out of contract players, then we should be able to sign at least 4 players of 40M each this would still mean we have our net spend as -20M.

Its very essential that we get all the players right, ensure that players will fit right in the system and all players are technically great, tall, strong and fast first to ensure we match the other teams physically as well as technically we are superior to them, similar to what Liverpool and City had done and now Arsenal are doing. They have monsters all over the pitch physically combined with great technical ability.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
As well as selling off our best player assets, can we not sell the stadium naming rights or something. Would that help with PSR? It’d bring in good money. There must be other ‘levers’ we can pull ala Barcelona as well.
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Doubt we'd get much money for it because everyone would continue to call it Old Trafford. It's an old stadium with an established name. Similar to how Barcelona isn't getting much for the "Spotify Camp Nou".
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Doubt we'd get much money for it because everyone would continue to call it Old Trafford. It's an old stadium with an established name. Similar to how Barcelona isn't getting much for the "Spotify Camp Nou".
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I’m not so sure, think we’d still get a good amount from someone.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
I’m not so sure, think we’d still get a good amount from someone.
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That's great that you think that. The only comparable case we have is Barcelona; previously they were getting €55m/yr from Rakuten for their shirt sponsorship and €10m/yr from Beko for the training shirt sponsorship. Now they're getting an estimated €70m/yr from Spotify for shirt sponsorship + training shirt sponsorship + stadium naming rights. In other words, they're not getting much for the stadium naming rights.
 
There are some players that will almost certainly stay next year, providing we're not relegated: Yoro, Dorgu, Amad, De Ligt, Maguire, Ugarte, Martinez, Mazraoui

The rest is anyone's guess. The club has a decision to make on some of its brightest talents (Mainoo, Garnacho) and the players that just haven't performed, AKA virtually everyone.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Who wouldn't want to be associated with a crumbling stadium with a leaky roof that we're planning to tear down as soon as we can find the money?
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Errm cause we still get the most clicks on the internet and the most media attention. You know, the things sponsors look for.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
That's great that you think that. The only comparable case we have is Barcelona; previously they were getting €55m/yr from Rakuten for their shirt sponsorship and €10m/yr from Beko for the training shirt sponsorship. Now they're getting an estimated €70m/yr from Spotify for shirt sponsorship + training shirt sponsorship + stadium naming rights. In other words, they're not getting much for the stadium naming rights.
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Well Barcelona are selling of the family china in the nearest car boot sale so we’re probably happy with a low ball offer.

We need cash but we ain’t that desperate yet….if we are let’s see what the market rate is and get some money in. It all helps.
 
We need to more or less force a sale of Casemiro to Saudi this summer, just simply no way he can be around next year. We can still get 20m off them with a year left on his deal, and he can earn a king’s riches out there. Need to be ruthless and really let him know where things stand.
 
RedSky said:
I don't think he'll ever become that player though. He takes the wrong option a lot of the time and just isn't a goal scorer but also isn't a consistent supplier either. He's consistent at killing attacks by either taking the wrong option or putting in a weak shot. His conversion rate is appalling and yet has the second highest shots in the squad.

Yes magic might intervene and it suddenly makes Garnacho a goal scorer, but I'm a cold, hard, brutal and depressing realist. I'd definitely take big money on him and bring in someone else. We don't need more project players either, this obsession with youth needs to end.
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This is always what I get caught up on too, because people who rate Garnacho that highly basically do it on the blind faith that it'll suddenly click and he goes from appallingly wasteful as a player to all of the sudden becoming far more efficient with both his shooting and passing/creation.

Generally when a player makes that big jump up from "talented youngster" to high level consistent performer, it's due to a combination of high level raw technique and underlying metrics suggesting a potential breakout. Garnacho doesn't really have either, so you're strictly relying on him having a revelation with how he approaches the game and his performances instead of doing a sunday league Ronaldo impersonation.
 
Think we will need to see how many out of contract players we can pick up with our paupers budget
 
bosnian_red said:
Sancho, Rashford, Eriksen, Antony and Lindelof will be sold or leave on frees. Should be able to get 80m or so between Sancho, Rashford and Antony, though we'd probably have to make some concessions on wages. Lindelof and Eriksen on frees. Casemiro seems like he wants to sit tight so he's here til 2026.

That should be enough to be able to do stuff though.

We should look to sell Hojlund or at the very least loan him out. Don't see anyone else who is that sellable or is worth getting rid of for what we'd get (and we'd need to just replace them with similar money so again, not worth).
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Problem with Holjund is he's our only centre forward (Zirkzee more of a 10)
So if we do loan him we need to sign at least 2 CFs in summer and not sure how we afford that
 
chris123 said:
Am I the only one that thinks we need to push sentimentality aside and properly entertain selling Bruno? Already 30 years old, he has very little value to us in a 2-3 year rebuild, so why not sell whilst he still has value to a club who would probably over-pay for a player with his reputation?

Maybe we leave it one more season and just focus on getting rid of all of the deadweight this summer, and he is one of the actual leaders we have, but I don't think it should be off the table.
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You're definitely not the only one. Best time to cash in would have been before we gave him the new contract though. Now he'll be tougher to shift and his value will keep decreasing. I'd still much rather sell him than Garnacho or Mainoo.
 
If they're sticking to Amorim I would sell Garnacho while he's still hot on the market. Use it to get someone suited to his system rather than a player for a position you want to erase from the face of the earth. I would suggest to the board to make sure the replacement CAN also play on the wings or at least has the skills to adjust to such a role. Hopefully the past 12 years showed the next hot manager could always be Moyes or ETH, the next surefire manager could be LVG or Mourinho.

So whoever they sell and buy, I hope they keep in mind that Amorim might not be here for long either, and that even someone like Conte can change systems. So there's always the chance that Amorim tires of 2 10s if you do keep the fella. But who knows, maybe he won't make it to summer and then you'll really have to assess whether to lose or keep big talents for positions that are generally very well recognized by most other managers in some way.

Actually I do wonder whether they are already planning for post-Amorim scenarios behind the scenes by now. Guess we'll see in two or three months.
 
HankHill said:
I'd not worry about the goalkeeper position right now. That wouldn't be transformative.

We need a striker that can score goals and a direct, attacking, specialist right wing-back that can beat a man and get a good cross in.

We could also really do with an energetic, mobile, box-to-box midfielder to partner Ugarte, free up Mainoo and Bruno and replace the dead legs that will surely be shipped out.

The squad needs more, clearly, but we are working on a low budget, by our standards.
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I think this sums it up very well.

Centre mid (Who can play with Ugarte in a midfield 2) and Striker are the two key positions.

RWB would be nice.

Then see where we sit next year. We won't have any European football (I think), so we should be able to cut back the size of the squad significantly.
 
Desert Eagle said:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ckgyeve2qvdo

Clearly something must be done. This summer will be absolutely crucial and we need to strike gold on at least three positions; keeper, midfielder, striker

So the question becomes who do we sell?

Rashford, Casemiro, Antony are almost certain to leave with Sancho already gone but who are the truly valuable assets we have; Bruno is old and on high wages but we should be able to get some money for him, the real value though is in our two young talents; Garnacho and Mainoo. They both have potential, are at a great age and on relatively modest contracts. There would be clubs all over fighting for their signatures. Just compare the Rashford market( loans) to the Garnacho market ( 50-60 mil)

Now there is no club in the world apart from maybe Barcelona and Ajax whose fans and identity are attached to the youth players as much as Manchester United. The dilemma we face then is clear. With INEOS making cuts and raising prices if they sell our two gems to fund Amorims rebuild will you be okay with it? Keep in mind both haven't really nailed down a starting spot in Amorims system and its not clear they ever will( that's why i left Amad out of this discussion).

Would you sell Garnacho and/or Mainoo this summer and if INEOS does will you agree with their reasoning?
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Ideally neither. We have a few other players we can sell or have already sold (Rash/Sancho). Antony doing well means he will have a market too. One of Zirkzee/Hojlund. Then we have Casemiro, Maguire, Dalot, Shaw, Colleyer. Plenty more names before we need to think about those two.

Would be insane to sell Bruno too imo.
 
Can't owners inject cash into the club anymore? when Mansour bought City they seemed to receive money out of nowhere that they used to sign players with. If that's the case then how come INEOS was allowed to pump 200m for a new stadium? pretty sure it was written on articles all over the internet, although it was never clear how to achieve it.

So are they allowed or not allowed to inject cash? since this is the best time to do it... for any sane owners. It's between life and death.
 
tenpoless said:
Can't owners inject cash into the club anymore? when Mansour bought City they seemed to receive money out of nowhere that they used to sign players with. If that's the case then how come INEOS was allowed to pump 200m for a new stadium? pretty sure it was written on articles all over the internet, although it was never clear how to achieve it.

So are they allowed or not allowed to inject cash? since this is the best time to do it... for any sane owners. It's between life and death.
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Owners can inject cash. its a little more difficult for Man Utd vs Man City because we are a publicly listed company. There are certain procedures and restrictions on how to inject funds because typically new shares will be issued to the sharehoder who does the capital injection. There are some procedural things associated with this.

But more importantly, there is a difference between the type of owners. Man City have a private owner who can put in as much capital as they want without having to explain to his shareholders. Ineos is a public listed company themselves. They cannot throw money around as they have to answer to their own shareholders.
 
I would look at selling Dalot. I like him but his value in this system is questionable and I believe he’d represent a pure profit. I probably wouldn’t have triggered the extra year on Maguire because once you signed De Ligt you were basically duplicating a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses. In a back 3 I think a mix of Yoro, De Ligt, Maz, Shawtinez and a new signing (Huijsen gets my vote) is the way forward. In Amorims system Mainoo can’t be one of the midfielders, simply doesn’t have the legs at this stage. If you get an offer over $80mm you sell and buy Baleba.
 
We've sold players who are pretty decent and wanted to play for us for players who promised to be decent but have no passion for the club.
 
There should be significant outgoings this summer. Most won't generate a lot of cash on their own, but combined with selling Gernacho and Rashford and there will be plenty available for rebuilding the team. We won't be playing in Europe so we don't need a massive squad and won't need to replace everyone who leaves
 
As extreme as it may sound, what if we self impose a transfer ban on us the next season to clear up PSR room going forward?

Constantly spending to the max limit of PSR season after season, is just leaving us hamstrung every season. We need to make some room to be able to make moves in the future
 
Skills said:
As extreme as it may sound, what if we self impose a transfer ban on us the next season to clear up PSR room going forward?

Constantly spending to the max limit of PSR season after season, is just leaving us hamstrung every season. We need to make some room to be able to make moves in the future
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I don't think it will happen. We played it safe in the winter and have been in aggressive cost cutting so we can allow Amorim to have a decent summer window. With the planned sales and perhaps sale of a Garnacho, we should be alright.
 
Skills said:
As extreme as it may sound, what if we self impose a transfer ban on us the next season to clear up PSR room going forward?

Constantly spending to the max limit of PSR season after season, is just leaving us hamstrung every season. We need to make some room to be able to make moves in the future
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Cash flow is going to be more of a constraint than PSR this summer, so I'm not sure that would help much
 
Mike Smalling said:
Also, given our financial situation, we should seriously consider any free agents out there. If they are good enough to help the team, and we can bring them in on moderate contracts (say 2-3 years), I don't think we'd have a lot to lose.
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I’ve also said this for a long time so fully agree and there are players out there that can be brought in on a free then sold on if they don’t work out like Tah, David, Gomes, Walker-Peters, Lamptey, Regulion and Bardghji.

I’d at the very least look to bring in Tah, David, Gomes, Walker-Peters and Bardghji out of that group which then added to the academy graduates allows the club to use what money they do have on a striker, a midfielder and a keeper.
 
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