It is ever possible to speak positively about a win?

Being negative about the style and the games like today I get.

Calling for Jose getting the sack, saying he should retire soon and saying we should get the beloved Poch or any other attacking manager.. that's what I don't get right now...

Reading this forum has been a torture law few months. Best part is it's while we're having a very good season. It's as if some can't wait for the season to completely derail just to say I told you so.

Matchday threads are absolutely woeful.
 
All of our wins recently have come with a sense of relief that we scraped through rather than a satisfaction that we comfortably outplayed the opposition, many like today could have easily gone the other way. I don't think anyone is complaining about the results or our current points total, the negativity is because there is a feeling it won't last performing like we are.

There's no aspect of our overall play to be particularly positive about, it's been individual performances pulling us through.
 
Devil may care said:
Sure, and there are those that are super positive no matter what, you get the extremes on every forum, but I don't get people wanting people to base their views purely on results, there's no discussion in that, it might as well be twitter as opposed to a message board which isn't designed for discussion, and if you don't like someone's views just skip them, like Howson from FTD with the condescending, excuse ridden rant he just posted on Youtube that I switched off after 60 seconds. As far as what we need goes, I dunno to be honest as Mourinho's mentality and approach I think is a big reason we have these performances, his obsession with caution is suffocating.
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Completely agree. Most other things on the internet are already an echo chamber...I don't see the point in trying to suppress "negative threads" on here. It's all a bit Fahrenheit 451. Just ignore the folks who overdo it in your eyes.
 
Fully Fledged said:
City are 11 points ahead of us and have scored 17 more goals than us. If you are going to bring City into the argument then you have to use the full facts.

Personally I say feck City.
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That's not my point. My point is, even City have struggled in certain games - WBA, Bournemouth, Everton, Soton etc. Yes, we're not as good as them as we all know, but that isn't what I'm alluding to.
 
Because winning games often against smaller opposition by one goal margins is precisely one reason why another team is eleven points clear. Apologists will say, "who cares, let's be happy we won, however that is", whereas, logical folks in Redcafe can discern that performance issues become points issues in the long term.
 
matherto said:
So you're enjoying this season and not having many issues about the way we're performing but you can't see a team completely destroying opponents with a style designed to completely limit opponents chances keeping it up for long?
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Yes, I can't see them doing it that well for so long. They're not that Barca side, and even that Barca was stopped by guess who.

They're better than us, they have better players and I'm still enjoying this season. I guess that's impossible for lots of people here, it's all or nothing.
 
You don't have to click on the moan threads. There's also an ignore function.

What's the alternative to negativity? Forced positivity and censoring of dissenting views? That would make for a much worse forum IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
Football is about more than results for fans, only managers base everythig purely on the bottom line, the performances are horrid to watch, fans watch football to be entertained, and the fact we let them back into the game and should have been on the end of a penalty due to the sloppiness deserves criticism.
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Surely Albinos goal and last phase pressure made the game more entertaining for both sets of fans?

A bit of tension brightened up my Sunday afternoon.
 
Rista said:
Except people were also moaning when we were scoring 4 goals per game.

This place is way too miserable these days imo. It's like people are 100% unable to enjoy watching this sport unless their team is winning the league and trashing their opponents. City's unreal run means anything that doesn't match it is seen as "horrible" and even those 4 goal wins are labeled as lucky and flattering.

I'm enjoying this season so far. City being so good is unfortunate but we're doing much, much better than in previous years. They are most likely winning the league this year but there is no way they're maintaining this form for long.
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From what I remember, there was only one negative thread. The are we flattering to deceive at the start of the season.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
That's not my point. My point is, even City have struggled in certain games - WBA, Bournemouth, Everton, Soton etc. Yes, we're not as good as them as we all know, but that isn't what I'm alluding to.
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You were saying that people are wanking over City. That's not because they had a tight game against a few teams but because they play expansive football that get's them big wins more often than not. It's because they have won 17 out of 18 games and no lost or looked like losing a single league game. It's because of the way they play football on the front foot.

Anyway as I was saying feck City.
 
MJJ said:
West ham have had some entertaining wins and others where they had to grind it out. Just like city.

Why is there manager not getting the same acclaim?
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Keep spouting shit I'm not posting. Maybe cause they're 17th and we're 2nd.
 
MJJ said:
And there is your answer as to why city are getting praised more than us or why are fans are complaining about the football.
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Who says City shouldn't be praised? It's constantly shitting on a well performing team and completely ignoring any sentiment of context that is getting draining.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
Because winning games often against smaller opposition by one goal margins is precisely one reason why another team is eleven points clear. Apologists will say, "who cares, let's be happy we won, however that is", whereas, logical folks in Redcafe can discern that performance issues become points issues in the long term.
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So you call yourselves 'logical folks'?
 
They removed the newbie promotion system?

Explains a lot.
 
El Zoido said:
It’s because we labour for every goal. City and Liverpool rock up and annihilate teams with their attacking play, yet even when we win 4-0 it never feels like we’ve properly put the opposition to the sword. We get a goal then grind them down in the end and maybe get a couple more.

It seems harsh to complain about winning, and I don’t usually complain about it myself, I’m just saying I understand where people are coming from. If you grew up watching Utd in the Fergie years you saw a team that would be impossible for most opponents to cope with, we were scintillating and unstoppable and scored goals for fun, but we simply do not offer that anymore most of the time. We win through grit which is admirable to be fair, but the fact is, our two biggest rivals are producing far better attacking displays in almost every game. Even if Liverpool’s defence is dodgy, you can’t help but respect how easy they find it to completely blitz teams and rack up easy goals. It’s sort of a perception rather than a logic, but you can’t help how people feel.
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Liverpool just failed to score against the team we played today. And they were at home too.

Theres a reason they are way below us in the table.
 
Past seasons would see us struggle to get a draw with a performance like this. The fact that we can play shit and still manage to win is sign of a versatile squad and manager.

I think that many are just too hung up in what the other side of the city is doing.
We’re not at their level and we don’t have the quality they have in every position.

I mentioned this fact in the match day thread. Our starting back 5 were SAF players. Two of which were former wingers. Fair play to all 4 defenders for still being here after 3 different managers but if we’re going to rise to the next level, we do need better players. As defensively stable as we’ve been with this back line, we’re not threatening enough out of the back to transition to midfield and mount an attack. We invite pressure and eventually concede a silly goal which invites more pressure. Without Pogba we have to bypass the opposition midfield and our midfield. That makes for ugly football.

A win is a win though.
 
I think consistency is important. You can have concerns/frustrations with particular things about the team and its’ performances and should voice them if they persist - regardless of the result. For example; I’m happy with the 3 points today and pleased that Lukaku is scoring again but we also continue to be quite a taxing watch and have just about got over the line against teams in 16th and 19th. Lukaku is also very rightly not celebrating as it’ll take more than 2 goals against said teams for us to get over the humiliation against City. Being rational and balanced is key, too many get overly emotional and flood the forums with their salty tears of whining and bitching whilst ‘comforting’ themselves over Pep and City. Threads of that ilk can make a man feeling physically ill so I don’t venture in to them, although, am sick of seeing them constantly pop up.
 
peridigm said:
Past seasons would see us struggle to get a draw with a performance like this. The fact that we can play shit and still manage to win is sign of a versatile squad and manager.

I think that many are just too hung up in what the other side of the city is doing.
We’re not at their level and we don’t have the quality they have in every position.

I mentioned this fact in the match day thread. Our starting back 5 were SAF players. Two of which were former wingers. Fair play to all 4 defenders for still being here after 3 different managers but if we’re going to rise to the next level, we do need better players. As defensively stable as we’ve been with this back line, we’re not threatening enough out of the back to transition to midfield and mount an attack. We invite pressure and eventually concede a silly goal which invites more pressure. Without Pogba we have to bypass the opposition midfield and our midfield. That makes for ugly football.

A win is a win though.
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All fair points but I wouldn't change our cbs personally. Problem lies in fb and attacking lines. And we need a Pogba and Matic backups if we can't find it in our ranks.
 
ivaldo said:
Who says City shouldn't be praised? It's constantly shitting on a well performing team and completely ignoring any sentiment of context that is getting draining.
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The poster who pointed out city in response to us struggling to beat a team placed 19th.
 
It is so funny that this thread come from someone who was saying that he understood fans who wanted to lose the FA Cup so LVG would leave
 
redIndianDevil said:
Do you honestly think we played well in today's match and that there is no criticism or things that could have been done better?
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For 65 minutes we were completely cruising. Took our foot of the gas and then conceded. Even then, we should have scored a third.

3 points, job done. If you want to criticise the last 25 minutes you can't do it without praising the way we controlled the game for the first 65 minutes.
 
Ban said:
All fair points but I wouldn't change our cbs personally. Problem lies in fb and attacking lines. And we need a Pogba and Matic backups if we can't find it in our ranks.
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Personally I think we need another attacking midfielder to play along side Pogba in a 3 man midfield.
 
Ban said:
Do you remember the guy who kept mentioning that City lead us 3:0 in transfer battle?
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I choose to forget the mess that was this Summer on here.

The irony of it all being that Silva has had basically no impact at City. Well , Bernado.

One thing you realise about this place is that a lot of the criticism is agenda driven. City are phenomenal this season but everyone forgets that of the 5 signings they made the Summer before last only 1 is a significant success. The signings that have made them tick this season have largely been at the club even before Pep. My point is that it didn't suddenly all click at once for City either.
 
GaryLifo said:
:lol:

Can a win be a loss? :lol:

And also :lol:
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Yes :lol: - especially when there is one every weekend where we crawl to the victory line. It's okay, United have always had fans who only care about winning. Some expect a bit more.

As I said before - we are the Barcelona of the EPL, we have history, an understanding of our own footballing ethos, our own players & so much more. Or we could be just Real Madrid whose sole ethos is to win. I'm okay i think il bypass on that.
 
Home&Away said:
Yes :lol: - especially when there is one every weekend where we crawl to the victory line. It's okay, United have always had fans who only care about winning. Some expect a bit more.

As I said before - we are the Barcelona of the EPL, we have history, an understanding of our own footballing ethos, our own players & so much more. Or we could be just Real Madrid whose sole ethos is to win. I'm okay i think il bypass on that.
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You're talking nonsense though. Utter nonsense. Real Madrid for the last few years have been an incredible team to watch.

I've been a united fan for 36 years and I've seen us grind out 3 points when not playing well many many times. Ferguson's united sides were brilliant at it, but they didn't win every game by 2 or more goals and they used to look dodgy as hell when grinding out some of those wins they did get.
 
Home&Away said:
Yes :lol: - especially when there is one every weekend where we crawl to the victory line. It's okay, United have always had fans who only care about winning. Some expect a bit more.

As I said before - we are the Barcelona of the EPL, we have history, an understanding of our own footballing ethos, our own players & so much more. Or we could be just Real Madrid whose sole ethos is to win. I'm okay i think il bypass on that.
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Yes we certainly crawled to victory against Watford, Newcastle and arsenal in recent weeks.
 
GaryLifo said:
You're talking nonsense though. Utter nonsense. Real Madrid for the last few years have been an incredible team to watch.

I've been a united fan for 36 years and I've seen us grind out 3 points when not playing well many many times. Ferguson's united sides were brilliant at it, but they didn't win every game by 2 or more goals and they used to look dodgy as hell when grinding out some of those wins they did get.
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Believe me people moaned about some of those ground out wins under SAF as well. The thing is he won us 13 league titles that brought him a bit of leeway.
 
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