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Israel - Palestine Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
You seem to have a problem with comprehension. Especially when someone doesn't have as exactly the same view as yourself.
Bloody hell.
Biden wasn't good for Palestinians but it was obvious to anyone with a brain that Trump would be worse. I did think it might take longer though. And it seems odd that people would want to not discuss what is actually happening.
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Is it still not possible to put staff members on ignore ?
Nice dodging.
What difference does it make, even with the ban the slaughter continued , the difference is Trump is unapologetic about it while Biden pretended to care about Palestinians but carried on supporting the slaughter.
Republican or democrat it doesn’t matter, there isn’t a better option for the Palestinians.
American Muslims and Arabs did the right thing, you can’t reward Biden and his party after what they did.
The right thing would have been not to have voted at all. Not to switch their vote from one genocidal corrupt cnut to another.
Forget Trump, can you imagine the absolute domestic turmoil that would ensue if the autocrats of Jordan and Egypt actually agreed to facilitating this full ethnic cleansing. There'd be absolute carnage on the streets of Cairo and Amman. Trump has put spineless fools like King Abdullah and Sisi in a zero sum situation. Either they bend the knee to Trump at the expense of their respective people's wishes by turning their countries into even bigger refugee camps for Palestinians, or they get slapped with the usual Trump blackmail sanctions.
Basically, but there's not a chance Egypt and Jordan will take Gaza's 1.8 million people. Egypt's military has been against it for a long time (the entire conflict) for the reasons you give. Trump may play hard ball but he cannot manufacture geopolitical facts such as the above where the solution is nonsensical.
It makes a huge difference. Obviously. Worse is worse. Obviously.
And dummies who voted for Trump made things worse. Obviously.
We can't avoid reading your posts so I'd say you got the better deal.
Not for the majority of the caf.
We have to read your posts as well so ....
The problem with fanatics who can't even cope with people who (in this instance) agree that Palestinians have been treated abominably unless they blindly follow exactly what you think, to the minutest of detail, is that (in this case) you end up electing Trump and then don't want to admit that was a massive feck up.
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Weird when someone never speaks when actual ethnic cleansing happens and actually support it in some cases and only come back to go after Trump voters who don't exist here anyway when theoretical ethnic cleansing is proposed.
It can not get objectively worse, get your head out of the sand and do some research on what has been happening in Gaza.
Who are you even talking to here?
That I can agree with. My position was to vote for independent or Green, I wouldn't advocate voting trump with a clear conscience. Asking and expecting people to vote for the Dems after what they did was completely off the table is what I'm arguing.
That is a fairly vile accusation. Especially when you seemingly admit it was an error of judgement. If you actually read what I posted rationally you would know I predicted Trump would be worse for Palestinians and the reason I predicted that was because I wanted better outcomes.
Of course I get why people would want to equivocate when the got it so wrong.
Don't be silly. I know exactly what happened. And Trump will make it far worse as he already is doing.
Do you misunderstand how the reply function works?
Grinner used to post in this thread and then got binned. So there still some hope.
What are you talking about? Grinner hasn't been restricted in any way.
Who is the fanatic who ended up voting for Trump you mentioned in your reply to me?
The people who voted for Trump thinking it would end well. Something you responded to.
You certainly don't post like you do.
And as far as I can see the ceasefire happened as Trump was about to take office. Looking at it in isolation things are better for the people in Gaza now, Biden just prolonged the bombing when he could have ended it months ago.
The situation is so fecking dire in Gaza that the bar is so low for being 'worse' it doesn't even matter anymore.
You’ve got the most powerful country in the region, armed and backed by the most powerful country in the world, now openly saying 1.8million people shouldn’t be there. Either someone else takes them in or they will be killed over the next few years. It’s that simple.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they start building the Trump range of beach houses whilst the last of the killing is still going on.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they start building the Trump range of beach houses whilst the last of the killing is still going on.
Doesn’t matter to who? I expect it matters to the people who are living there.
It's the American MIC, Wibble.Trump this, Biden that. It's just what the American military industrial complex is going to say/do regardless of who is in power: in foreign affairs, with some divergence (over decades), the two party system resolves to one public service infrastructure.
Dems allowed and sponsored a genocide. GOP now wants to, if you believe Trump, continue it and remove Gazans to Jordan or Egypt. But this last one isn't going to happen. It's not politically possible for Egypt or Jordan to take that number in and Trump doesn't know the situation despite his privileged updates. Your average historian knows more about the conflict than your average president What he's touting cannot happen and also expect Saudi cooperation re Abraham Accords. It's bluster. You might see some movement but not two million people.
I do. But most of you wouldn't recognise context or nuance if it introduced itself.
Trump just stated that he thinks Palestinians should be totally removed from Gaza. Totally. All of them.
Genocide under trump is worse than genocide under biden. Amazing take.
And biden was allowing israel to starve and kill them all. Much better.
I never actually complimented or agreed with people voting for Trump for the sake of Palestinians, so still have no clue what you're talking about and why that was directed at me.
Doesn't matter in the sense of whose in power in the America, both sing to the same hymn sheet on this matter, whether it was Biden still in power it would still be horrendous.
You would hope it is bluster but this is Trump without the restraints of his first term. And he now knows he can get away with anything whatsoever. So who knows?
No one on redcafe did.
Yet you commented as such.
You don't. As if you did you would have known Blinken already tried this but was rejected by Egypt and Jordan.