Isn't RW a bit more urgent than LW

Even Sunday's match showed that a faster player than Mata on right side would give us a whole new dimension. Shame we didn't get Bernardo Silva - but someone like Felipe Anderson or even Lucas Moura would do the trick
 
MadMike said:
There's a point at which you have to look at squad depth and consider whether it's causing issues because you can't give players enough minutes.

By bringing in 2 forward players (a RW and a LW) we'd definitely lose one or maybe two of the current players. Martial would be a gonner for sure as his participation would be very limited, Mata perhaps the same. Rashfords development would be impeded too.

It might turn out to be good for the team it if the players being brought in are Bale and Dembele. But if it's Perisic and Moura would that be an improvement? Or not?
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Plan B mate. 1 extra option which is different would hardly bring the house down.
 
No for me.
Left back > left wing > right back.
Mata and Mkhitaryan are more than good enough for the right side with Valencia behind.
 
It's quite simple folks really. In an ideal world we need a; left back, right winger and cover for right back.
 
Icemav said:
Plan B mate. 1 extra option which is different would hardly bring the house down.
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It depends which side, I guess. We have Martial, Rashford and even Lingard on the left. An extra option there would cause selection problems.

We could probably accommodate someone at RW. More than on the left, that's for sure. We certainly couldn't accommodate both a LW and RW right now, not in my opinion at least.
 
I don't think we should give up on Luke Shaw just yet. He deserves a chance after his injury issues and it would be silly to throw him on the scrap heap just yet. Blind is a more than competent back up.

A right winger with pace would be fantastic and would make us stronger. Mata and Mkhi are both central player's who don't offer what we require on the flanks.
 
Perisic could happily play RW.

I agree though, Mata can work at home when we are dominating but in away matches it doesn't work. Even Mkhi isn't quite quick enough to consistently run away from his marker when under pressure. Both are better as 10's.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Perisic could happily play RW.

I agree though, Mata can work at home when we are dominating but in away matches it doesn't work. Even Mkhi isn't quite quick enough to consistently run away from his marker when under pressure. Both are better as 10's.
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Exactly.

4-2-3-1, not so much of a problem.

In a 4-3-3, I am happy with Martial/Rashford on LW, on the right Mkhi/Mata/Lingard is okay/sometimes good, but not very good/world class.

Yea some people mention Valencia can provide the width, but it doesn't take away the fact that RW can still be improved.
 
its tricky, all our width comes from players who tend to cut inside rather than hit the byline, we generally look stronger attacking from the left and I expect Shaw to add to that threat, so I guess a RW would be more useful, that said, who is there ?
 
I think it's possible that come Christmas we won't be thinking of any of our attacking positions as a "problem". We've got the numbers and the quality, it's just that they're young and ready to step up. It'll happen soon enough. Fergie knew to be patient in moments like this.
 
Kidders said:
its tricky, all our width comes from players who tend to cut inside rather than hit the byline, we generally look stronger attacking from the left and I expect Shaw to add to that threat, so I guess a RW would be more useful, that said, who is there ?
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True.

We "supposed" to get Griezmann, who can play as AM/SS/RW, depending on system.

But now, almost nobody. Mayb Perisic as RW if needed. Or we just wait for Griezmann
 
I think United need to strengthen on both FBs rather the wingers first. United have plenty of candidates that can play there, even though most if not all of them tend to drift inside when attacking. Micky is improving, and had good linkups (only 1 game vs a poor WHU team, I know, right?) but it is still a good sign. Rashford and Martial both talented and hungry youngsters, different personalities but I am sure both aspiring to be the best. Mourinho should give these lot a chance first before buying another attacker.

For both FBs, I think United need backups or back to back FB specialist partners to both Valencia and Shaw/Darmian. For Valencia, he is still going strong, he is a bull and very much an important piece of the puzzle to United's team nowadays, but as he is on the 'wrong' side of 30, he shouldn't be overplayed/overused. For Shaw, I still think (hope) that he would become a good player for United at least, but he needs to be introduced slowly into the team. Even if the reverse is true, and he would play most games after back from injury, we saw how players like Ramsey did. It took him I think more than a season to get back to his best after his own major injury, and we should give the same treatment to Shaw.

The elite team before today like Bayern used to have Lahm and Rafinha at RB, and Alaba and Bernat at LB. All are very capable FB in their own rights and that should be the standard that we aspired to.

Darmian, for me is a more than capable back up, and an able deputy to either side of FB while United look to strengthen one side first, before moving to the other side perhaps next summer/winter window. It will be gradual process, and not be wholesale like what City have done with Walker/Danilo and Mendy. It might work immediately, or might not.

Either way, a strong, capable of running up and down side effortlessly on either side type of FBs would be my verdict.
 
ManuMou said:
True.

We "supposed" to get Griezmann, who can play as AM/SS/RW, depending on system.

But now, almost nobody. Mayb Perisic as RW if needed. Or we just wait for Griezmann
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He does'nt really hit the byline though, we need a Kanchelskis type player, why don't we scout the Eastern Bloc anymore ?
 
Martial and Rashford both are very talented but inexperience. Instead of bringing someone on for LW, we should look to improve RW to take pressure of whichever of the two is playing on LW.

Edit: No idea why people are so eager to get a RB when we have Valencia who is more than good enough and a very capable backup in Darmian should anything happen to Valencia. RB is as sorted position as it can get.

LB and RW are most obvious and by far the weakest position in our team.
 
Pexbo said:
I think it's possible that come Christmas we won't be thinking of any of our attacking positions as a "problem". We've got the numbers and the quality, it's just that they're young and ready to step up. It'll happen soon enough. Fergie knew to be patient in moments like this.
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Possible, especially if Shaw and Martial/Rashford can regain form, then our RW of Mkhi/Mata can cut inside with Valencia providing width. That could work well. I mean, at least we have "three out of four width" from LW, LB, RB, compared to last season where we only had "one width" from RB Valencia.
 
Kidders said:
its tricky, all our width comes from players who tend to cut inside rather than hit the byline, we generally look stronger attacking from the left and I expect Shaw to add to that threat, so I guess a RW would be more useful, that said, who is there ?
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Well, we allegedly tried to sign Willian. He would have been good. Lucas Moura perhaps from PSG, decent stats and due a move. Ousmane Dembele, all be it very very expensive.

That's just scratching the surface, there's some options there.

Kidders said:
He does'nt really hit the byline though, we need a Kanchelskis type player, why don't we scout the Eastern Bloc anymore ?
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Who says we don't? Have you seen the Eastern European national teams lately? They have are going through a talent drought.
 
Griezmann would have been great for the RW role.

Perisic also as a LWB in 3-5-1-1 and RW/LW in the other positions we play.
 
It probably is but too many changes might not be good for the chemistry of the team.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Perisic could happily play RW.

I agree though, Mata can work at home when we are dominating but in away matches it doesn't work. Even Mkhi isn't quite quick enough to consistently run away from his marker when under pressure. Both are better as 10's.
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I suppose regarding Perisice but that means we have no traditional winger.
 
Red4Life_#7 said:
Griezmann would have been great for the RW role.

Perisic also as a LWB in 3-5-1-1 and RW/LW in the other positions we play.
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Griezmann from the RW role would offer no actual width. He'd be cutting inside on his left all the time. He's better than Mata, but not very different in the style of play. A player who has excellent movement and finishing, albeit with more pace than Mata. He wouldn't solve the problem of width being discussed though, not one bit.

Perisic being a right footed player could probably play on the RW quite well.
 
We genuinely have no real right wingers in the squad. Miki, Mata and Lingard are our options there and they all play better in other positions. On the left wing: Martial, Rashford, Miki, Lingard (he is a LW by trade, but is asked to play on the right) and potentially even Young are comfortable there. We've needed a pacy, tricky RW since Di Maria left, but we've not really addressed that and it's imo one of perhaps 2 positions where our squad are slightly lacking (alongside a first choice LB).
 
I agree that we need another attacker who is comfortable coming off the RW, Valencia gives us width but we lack dyamism is front of him like Rashford or Martial offer from the LW.
 
I think Mata actually plays very well off the right. He's not an out and out winger but we don't need that anyway. The rightback should be the one providing width and Valencia does that adequately. At the moment we have adequate numbers in attack, it's left back that's the primary issue if Shaw can't step it up this season.
 
MadMike said:
Griezmann from the RW role would offer no actual width. He'd be cutting inside on his left all the time. He's better than Mata, but not very different in the style of play. A player who has excellent movement and finishing, albeit with more pace than Mata. He wouldn't solve the problem of width being discussed though, not one bit.

Perisic being a right footed player could probably play on the RW quite well.
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Lacking width is no real problem with our right side - but a lack od player who can actually carry the ball with pace is. Good, fast cut-inside left footed right winger would be as much as useful as oldschool winger on that side.

And yes, Griezmann is not that kind of player, also.
 
I agree. Our spine is perfect, it's the 4 side positions that are lacking.

I've been wanting a new winger since Valencia turned to shit in 2013, and I'm amazed we haven't brought one in considering our attack looks terrible without them.
 
Throwing money at Sanchez will solve so many problems. We get a "Premiership proven" match winner who can play either wing and boost our attacking quality significantly.
 
Stojan Stamenic said:
Lacking width is no real problem with our right side - but a lack od player who can actually carry the ball with pace is. Good, fast cut-inside left footed right winger would be as much as useful as oldschool winger on that side.

And yes, Griezmann is not that kind of player, also.
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Agree with this

A player who can dribble and beat opposing player's by using his pace and trickery. A player who opposition fullbacks will be vary of coming up against. Our options on the right wing are not good enough if we want to challenge for the league and UCL. Mourinho has identified that as a position he'd like to improve and I hope we can get that player in before the window closes.
 
I would get a right winger ahead of someone on the left. I know a lot of people love Mata, but for me, he does not do enough out wide to justify a starting position. Mkhitaryan's best position is as a #10.
 
With Valencia as our RB, we can probably get away with an inverted RW in most games (Mkhi, Mata), though we may have a problem in the big ones, especially if we're playing 4-3-3 for those. Personally, I think our flanks in general will be the major area of investment next summer.
 
Stack said:
Periera could easily do a very good job out wide on the right
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There's many player's that could do a job in that position like you put it. But it wouldn't give us the variation in our attack that a genuine wide player could. A genuine winger would make us a stronger team.
 
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Anyone expecting anything from Shaw is deluded in my opinion. Lb is our biggest concern when it comes to individual quality and reliability
 
Mr Smith said:
With Valencia as our RB, we can probably get away with an inverted RW in most games (Mkhi, Mata), though we may have a problem in the big ones, especially if we're playing 4-3-3 for those. Personally, I think our flanks in general will be the major area of investment next summer.
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The problem with Valencia is that while he is very industrious and always offers an option down that right wing, his delivery has been very very poor for quite a long time now. He is very good at running into space and overlapping, but as soon as he meets a defender he will stand tall with the ball between his legs slowing the game down. He doesn't have the confidence to try dribbles any more.

As a result while we have width down the right wing, we don't actually have much threat. There are not many goals coming from that side. Look at the weekend, all the goals and threat came from the left.

Look at Real Madrid in comparison and how much threat was offered by Carvajal and Marcelo down both wings to stretch the game. With quality dribbling, ball retention, distribution and crossing.

I know there are not many players with the same quality as the RM fullbacks, but what I'm saying is that the Valencia effect in terms of our offensive play seems a bit exaggerated to me. We could really benefit with a good winger down the right side instead of an inverted Mata, who I believe is better as a #10/SS ghosting in the box.
 
Adnan said:
There's many player's that could do a job in that position like you put it. But it wouldn't give us the variation in our attack that a genuine wide player could. A genuine winger would make us stronger team.
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He has pace, can beat a man with his dribbling, he is quick off the mark, he changes direction quickly, he can receive with either foot, pass with either foot and cross with either foot. He has a decent engine and can track back without issue. I watched him play for Brazil on the right at the U20 WC and he was superb, scored a brilliant solo goal from out wide in the final. He also takes a very nice set piece.
Stop thinking in cliches and recognise what we already have available.
 
Adnan said:
Why am I deluded?
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Adnan said:
I don't think we should give up on Luke Shaw just yet. He deserves a chance after his injury issues and it would be silly to throw him on the scrap heap just yet. Blind is a more than competent back up.

A right winger with pace would be fantastic and would make us stronger. Mata and Mkhi are both central player's who don't offer what we require on the flanks.
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Stack said:
He has pace, can beat a man with his dribbling, he is quick of the mark, he changes direction quickly, he can receive with either foot, pass with either foot and cross with either foot. He has a decent engine and can track back without issue. I watched him play for Brazil on the right at the U20 WC and he was superb, scored a brilliant solo goal from out wide in the final. He also takes a very nice set piece.
Stop thinking in cliches and recognise what we already have available.
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He's not as quick as Rashford and Martial in my opinion. There's also a big difference in what he did for the Brazilian youth teams in comparison to playing as a wide player for us. I doubt if he's even as quick as Mkhi. I think he's a central player and I watched him on a number of occasions in La Liga last season. I'd rather see Mkhi and Mata there than him. At least they're proven somewhat.
 
I know a lot depends on the formation we use. A lot of people here are behind the idea "defensive LB wide LW, Valencia bombing on the right giving us width, drifting to the inside LW/LAM". Well, what happens if Valencia is suspended or God forbid injured? I suppose Young could give some cover, but that doesn't strike me as primary plan B. I suppose Mourinho was really looking into Aurier as back up to Tony V, but that deal doesn't look as if it will happen. Darmian is also another option, but other than being sound defensively, he doesn't offer much going forward.
I think Mourinho has Shaw in his plans - my reason to believe that is Shaw traveling with the squad to the pre season tour.
Even if Jose was trying to avoid questions about, which position is he targeting with the 4th signing, he did mention he wanted a player playing through the sides. I am inclined to believe it's either right winger or a right back.
In case Valencia is unavailable, Jose could opt for a defensive RB like Darmian and play someone who could give width ahead of him or just someone who would be like for like cover for Valencia.
 
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