Why would anyone care about what the UK decides to do?
ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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Why would anyone care about what the UK decides to do?
The US has already been cooperating with Iran in Iraq(via intermediaries, of course).
Iran were snubbed for the so-called 'Anti-IS coalition'. A completely petulant and counterproductive maneuver.
Bushbama launches another attack on a Arab nation....still hoping for that change
When will the RAF get involved? We've had USA, France and Australia as well as some Arab countries. Patiently waiting for Britain to join in.
Bombing ISIS is just a beginning.. There will soon be a false-flag shooting down of one of the US jets, and the US will blame Syrian government forces and thus justifying (in their propaganda) the destruction of Syrian AA. This will allow the jihadists to attack and further weaken the government forces, allowing a force of Syrian mercenaries to defeat the government and put a US-backed puppet government into power.
I can just imagine the Saudi pilots - "Whoops! Finger slipped" "Whoops! Finger slipped" "Whoops! Finger slipped".
Reddit is a funny place.
How will anyone know whether it's been successful or not, or when's enough, or when or if the leaders are killed? How many more hostages in the region will they try and grab? Might they start launching missiles at airliners? etc etc
Somehow this action doesn't convince me that things are going to get better any time soon, rather much, much worse.
Somehow this action doesn't convince me that things are going to get better any time soon, rather much, much worse.
You hit them with air strikes in command centres or warehouses where they store heavy weapons. Or they hit their supply lines so those on the front line can't get supported. In Iraq, they'll hit the big toys on the front line that the troops can't take out. As a result they'll be left defenceless, allowing the boots on the ground to move in and take out any survivors. In the case of Syria, the boots on the ground will be YPG and FSA.
They'll probably go in and lend them some medical help and new weapons.
They always claim to know where these centres and stores are..............whether they actually hit them or not though.......
My guess is we'll now see increased terrorist activity in Europe as a result as disaffected "Islamists" in UK, France and Belgium etc start avenging the strikes on their mates.
USA have also attacked Jabhat al nusra. Does anyone think this attack will finally end the feud between IS and JAN?
Well any blowback from this operation will fall squarely on Obama's doormat, he won't be able to blame the Tea Pouty Congress or Bush 2.
I just can't see these rebel groups being destroyed, this will achieve nothing except for more hostility between the two camps. No good will come of this and Obama will regret everything I fear.
So how do we stop ISIS?
By killing more kids.
I dont know how to stop ISIS but i bet this wont.
I dont know how to stop ISIS but i bet this wont.
Another 1000 Kurds have crossed the border to support the YPG. This comes as Kurds in Turkey set up guard along a 160km stretch on the border, aiding any refugees and preventing any suspicious movement into Syria.
Also strong reports that the tide has changed. YPG are on the offensive in both East and West with ISIS running back with their tails between their legs. Another huge attempt to take Kobane seems to have failed, except this time it could lead to ISIS losing Tel Abyad as well. Biji YPG.
Also strong reports that the tide has changed. YPG are on the offensive in both East and West with ISIS running back with their tails between their legs. Another huge attempt to take Kobane seems to have failed, except this time it could lead to ISIS losing Tel Abyad as well. Biji YPG.
Securing Tel Abyad is now top priority. It connects the two Kurdish cantons and also cuts off Turkish supply routes to Raqqa.
Who knows, we could see YPG and the Pesh both surrounding Raqqa and Mosul respectively, although this would require cooperation with FSA and the Iraqi army as they are predominantly Arab.
Who knows, we could see YPG and the Pesh both surrounding Raqqa and Mosul respectively, although this would require cooperation with FSA and the Iraqi army as they are predominantly Arab.
Round them up and chop their heads off?
In all seriousness though I cant see how airstrikes will do anything other than force them to dissipate and hide within civilian populations.
I think you should go back and read your own posts about how YPG and Peshmerga are routing them.
They got a large array of heavy weapons when they seized Mosul. These weapons have then been used on all of their fronts, allowing them to attack Kobane, Shingal and get close to Erbil. It is these heavy weapons that have been vital to their recent operations, they've come across opposition that are inferior to them, thus allowing them to win battles. By taking out these heavy weapons, the attacks and movements can be slowed down. After all, it was the air strikes in Iraq that have turned the tide, meaning Peshmerga are inching closer and closer to the gates of Mosul. I can't really see how the air strikes haven't been effective, they've been hugely helpful to those fighting ISIS.
Any Peshmerga will tell you how important the air strikes have been. Rel is saying that they won't help much, and I strongly disagree. The air strikes allowed the Pesh to move forward and repel attacks, every day the front line moves forwards and this is due to air strikes by America.
I think you should go back and read your own posts about how YPG and Peshmerga are routing them.
What we are seeing in Syria is basically the same. You hit ISIS where it hurts (Raqqa) as well as hitting them on the front lines. No doubt the recent air strikes in Tel Abyad will hugely help YPG in taking the town. All they need now are advisors on the ground to help coordinate air strikes during clashes.
The airstrikes are intended to decapitate the organization and disrupt their operational capabilities. ISIS is a more organized and in some ways more centralized organization than most other terrorist groups. By eliminating both important leadership and weapons caches, it reduces the ability of ISIS to function to the point that the Peshmerga and others can go through and sweep up. There's also the need to destroy ISIS' financial system that makes them so much money via normal criminal rackets. ISIS wants to function as a state but can't do that without the personnel, money, and materiel.
There's no way to ensure that ISIS or other extremist groups won't return because large swathes of the region are sympathetic to their brand of crazy.
I know the Kurds don't like Turkey, but I also imagine Turkey would dislike ISIS too, being a secular country and that it could pose a threat to them too? So why are the Kurds cutting off Turkish supply routes?
Turkey and ISIS are enemies with benefits
That makes no sense! Isis weaken the kurds? Therefore that makes turkey happy?
Nothing I make says sense
Turkish supply routes that aid ISIS. Cutting them off leads to isis getting less supplies.
Turkey have openly negotiated with ISIS. They refused to be part of the coalition to tackle them. They released ISIS prisoners in a swap for 49 Turkish hostages in the hands of ISIS. They treat injured ISIS fighters in their hospitals. They provide them with direct access to Syria, no questions asked.
The recent attacks on Kobane were aided by Turkey who refused to let Kurds cross but quietly allowed ISIS fighters to move, as well as giving them armoured vehicles.
So you can see why cutting off supply routes between the two will aid the Kurds.
The YPG are a formidable force. Since the start of the Syrian civil war, the Kurds have fought successfully and autonomously govern their land. They don't interfere with most of the stuff that happens elsewhere, it's a case of do not attack us and we will not attack you. So, the main group in charge of this area of Kurdistan have strong links to the PKK, some say they are a direct offshoot of them. The pkk and Turkey have been at war for decades, so it makes sense that they wouldn't want a PKK friendly, strong force on their borders. You get me?
Not helping ISIS means YPG will grow and grow, this gives confidence to the Kurds in Turkey to also pick up arms once again and fight for independence. Turkey doesn't want that.
I dunno, ISIS is the common foe, would have been better to fight them together. Its kind of petty of Turkey to do that.
PKK are a bigger threat to Turkey than ISIS. PKK and YPG together would be a huge issue, hence why Turkey quietly supports ISIS.
It's going to be weird when there's a terrorist attack in Istanbul or something. Firstly they'll blame it on the PKK, then when it's clear that ISIS did it, the public would go mental and Erdogan will have a lot of decisions to make.
It's going to be weird when there's a terrorist attack in Istanbul or something. Firstly they'll blame it on the PKK, then when it's clear that ISIS did it, the public would go mental and Erdogan will have a lot of decisions to make.
What are the routes through which oil from IS-controlled territory finds it way to the market?
ISIS took alan henning to a shariah court and he was declared not guilty but I reckon they'll still behead him as revenge for these attacks today. I feel sorry for him.
Regarding Alan Henning and all hostages for that matter. I wonder what they are fed, told, where they sleep, what they do in the time they spend with their captors. Does anyone have any idea?
Assad was already a puppet, just got too big for his shoes, now US want to install a new dictator, like what they've done throughout the ME, Saddam being the biggest example
Also Obama is the 4th consecutive US president to order bombing of Iraq
And something ignored so far the bombing in Raqaa has killed 10 civilians, including 6 children, tbh this is just beginning, they killed 1.6 million Iraqis since the US invasion in 2001, and left the country in ruins, and now they want to do the same in Syria
Even though ISIS are fanatics, most of things reported in media about them killing Christians has been reported to be false, its the usualy distorted and sensational journalism to make this image of unimaginably "evil bad guys", to give reason to invade, same tactics used before invasion of afganistan, and Iraq, funny how people fall for same media tricks every time
Obviously ISIS needs to be dealt with, just I dont believe they are as much a threat as media purports them to be , the US and its "allies" will and have already killed more civilians in the ME than ISIS ever will in 100 years
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/world/meast/coren-isis-khanke-refugee/index.html?hpt=wo_c1
Interested to see what people think about this article. I am sure there will be accusations of western bias in this report but at least give it a read. I think that what this witness describes has probably been discussed in this thread before but it's a primary source account. I think it's relevant given the post that was written before this one.
Interested to see what people think about this article. I am sure there will be accusations of western bias in this report but at least give it a read. I think that what this witness describes has probably been discussed in this thread before but it's a primary source account. I think it's relevant given the post that was written before this one.