ISIS in Iraq and Syria

I thought this was rather funny

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136059/new-documents-show-members-isis-dont-know-squat-islam

Especially this part:
Recruits were asked to rank their knowledge of Islamic law on a scale of one to three. Seventy percent had the lowest score, or only “basic” knowledge of Sharia, while 24 percent had “intermediate” knowledge, and just 5 percent were “advanced.”

Two British recruits’ knowledge of Islam consisted of their having gone on Amazon to buyIslam for Dummies and The Koran for Dummiesbefore they left to join ISIS. Moreover, those recruits who had been advanced students of Islam were the least likely to volunteer as suicide bombers.
 
@Raoul and @PedroMendez , found this article which supports both your points (in the Iraqi context at least), and which also suggests that the structures of authority in Shi'ism, dominated by an authoritative clerical establishment, has played a role:

The Absence of Shi`a Suicide Attacks in Iraq

https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-absence-of-shia-suicide-attacks-in-iraq

Not a bad attempt. Something he doesn't delve into that probably warrants more attention, is the variance in authority structures of Iraqi Shi'a militants - Sadr more or less marched to his own drummer in setting up his militia without taking much guidance from Sistani or Iran. There is a nationalist strain within the Sadr movement that has always sought to differentiate it from being perceived as being under Iranian influence, in contrast to Hakim's Badr movement that actively fought Saddam alongside Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. Sadr was therefore somewhat divorced from Iranian methodologies during the bulk of the Iraqi insurgency. The Badr Brigades were relatively inactive during much of that period as Hakim was a proponent of working with Dubya as a means to deal with what Hakim correctly analyzed as the bigger threat - Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Most Shi'a groups used conventional weapons in dealing with one another when differences arose and generally resorted to Rockets, Mortars, IEDs and EFPs when dealing with American troops. This was done more so out of convenience than anything else, as it was just easier to emplace IEDs on routes that American soldiers were known to patrol on, whereas American bases were dealt with through rockets and mortars. I dealt with all of the above on a daily basis from 2006-2009 and again from 2010-11.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37129408

Aerial photos have been released showing Islamic State (IS) militants using civilians as shields to escape the northern Syrian town of Manbij.

The Syrian Democratic Forces said the pictures, showing a convoy of hundreds of vehicles, were taken on Friday.

The US-backed alliance of Kurdish and Arab fighters did not attack as there were civilians in each of the vehicles and it wanted to avoid casualties.

The militants were thought to have gone north, towards the Turkish border.

SDF fighters took full control of Manbij after a 10-week offensive backed by US-led coalition air strikes and special forces personnel.
 
WikiLeaks Reveals How the US Aggressively Pursued Regime Change in Syria, Igniting a Bloodbath.

http://www.truth-out.org/progressiv...d-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbath

Old article, but still quite a read.

Thanks

Both the local Egyptian and Saudi missions here (as well as prominent Syrian Sunni religious leaders) are giving increasing attention to the matter and we should coordinate more closely with their governments on ways to better publicize and focus regional attention on the issue.

Scum.
 
Reports seem to indicate that the Kurds in Syria are ready to make further advances in the south and west. Seizing territory of the government in the south and advancing west of the Euphrates puts them on collision course with Assad, Russia, the FSA and Turkey. Could this be the first step towards a new found understanding between Russia and Turkey? Opposing the Kurds might be one of few common goals of all the major actors in the region.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-hasaka-idUSKCN10X09O
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-hasaka-idUSKCN10X09O
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-jarablus-idUSKCN10W0DR
 
Probably good time to post these again, from a week ago:

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Turkey say they have sent tanks into Syria to contain Kurdish gains of ISIS and rebel territoriy.

Fixed that for you. The ISIS excuse is a red herring, Erdogan is only interested in slowing down the gains Kurdish factions have been recently making.
 
Rojava's Sustainability and the PKK's Regional Strategy

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...+article+on+our+website.#.V74XKDy8uzA.twitter

As the Kurds continue to pursue their goal of a contiguous territory in northern Syria, various nonmilitary factors will determine whether their nascent statelet is viable in the long term, including a host of demographic, economic, water, and oil issues.

Although it is still difficult to predict the future of Syria as a whole, the existence of an increasingly autonomous Kurdish region along the country's northern frontier has become a reality. For now, the boundaries of this "Rojava" remain blurred and might be different from those officially claimed by the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD). Yet the group's ongoing efforts to expand and merge its cantons reflect a firm commitment to gathering Syria's Kurds into an economically viable statelet that extends tantalizingly close to the Mediterranean Sea -- a prospect that could also advance the goals of its parent organization in Turkey, the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).



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KURDISH POPULATION BARELY A MAJORITY IN ROJAVA
Since its January 2015 victory in Kobane, the PYD has continued to expand its territory. Most of this expansion has come at the expense of the Islamic State (IS), but the Kurds have also seized areas from other rebels in the Azaz corridor (see "Kurdish Forces Bolster Assad in Aleppo") and from the Syrian army in Hasaka. Even if these areas are only a few square miles in size, they are nonetheless strategically important; for example, Hasaka is a provincial capital, so any neighborhoods gained there are significant.

From the homogeneously Kurdish areas of Afrin, Kobane, and Qamishli, the PYD has set out to conquer mixed Arab-Kurdish territories and even some non-Kurdish areas. The group's ultimate aim is to establish territorial contiguity between its Kurdish strongholds, a goal that it furthered by taking Tal Abyad in spring 2015 and Manbij earlier this month (technically, the Manbij offensive was conducted by the mixed Arab-Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, but the Kurds dominate that coalition). The rationale for the February conquest of al-Shadadi in southern Hasaka province -- a non-Kurdish territory -- was to control nearby oil wells and cut the Islamic State's road between Mosul and Raqqa.



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Today, the PYD controls a territory in which about 2 million people live but only 60 percent are Kurdish (see PolicyWatch 2528, "Ethnic Cleansing Threatens Syria's Unity"). In the eastern Jazira canton (aka Cizire) and the central Kobane canton, Kurds constitute a slight majority of the population (55 percent). In the western Afrin district (an official Syrian administrative division), the population is nearly 100 percent Kurdish, but the PYD's maps of Rojava indicate that the "Afrin canton" will eventually incorporate Azaz, Jarabulus, northern al-Bab, and northern Manbij districts -- an outcome that would dilute the Kurdish population share to around 30 percent. Presumably, the PYD will not try to conquer the Arab and Turkmen territories of Azaz and Jarabulus in the next few months, since they are a low strategic priority at the moment and too sensitive for Turkey; just yesterday, Ankara launched new military operations in the Jarabulus area.

For demographic and strategic reasons, the Kurds also have no desire to attack Raqqa, the capital of the so-called IS "caliphate," at least not until they are able to link Afrin and Kobane. If IS begins to pose a serious threat to Rojava from Raqqa, the Kurds might launch an offensive there, as they did against al-Shadadi when local IS forces threatened Hasaka. But al-Shadadi is fifteen times less populated than Raqqa, so the calculus would likely be different.



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ETHNIC CLEANSING?
The more the PYD expands its territory, the more it will have to integrate non-Kurdish populations. This is particularly true in the Manbij area between the Euphrates River and Afrin, where Kurds represent less than a quarter of the population. But the PYD seems set on the goal of connecting the cantons, and the group's leaders believe that various "Kurdization" efforts could help bring a large part of the population under their banner. Village names and maps published under the French Mandate indicate that a significant proportion of locals who are officially classified as Arabs actually have Kurdish origins. In the face of PYD domination, these Arabic-speaking Kurds could conveniently choose to reconnect with their Kurdish roots. Moreover, the demography of the area may be substantially modified if the Arab refugees who once lived there do not return; Kurdish refugees are much more likely to return given the PYD's ascension. This is particularly true in Tal Abyad district, where Arabs who supported IS are persona non grata.

Unfortunately, the Kurds might also choose to overcome their demographic weakness in some parts of Rojava by engaging in ethnic cleansing or allying with Arab tribes that want to side with the strongest player in order to exact revenge. For example, many tribes want nothing more than to eliminate rivals that have sided with IS; this is the strategy of the Shammar clan led by the Sheikh Hamidi Daham al-Hadi in southeast Hasaka. The PYD also hopes to attract some of the one million Kurds currently living in Damascus and Aleppo. For that to happen, however, it would need to greatly improve the bad economic situation in Rojava.

WATER SCARCITY
Prior to the war, the Assad regime deliberately left Kurdish areas underdeveloped, mainly as a way of spurring the Kurds to migrate to big cities where they could be Arabized more easily. Similarly, the Jazira region was treated as a kind of "internal colony" devoted solely to grain and cotton production. Today, agriculture there remains very traditional and has suffered dramatically from water scarcity since the turn of the century. Overconsumption of water on the Turkish side of the border has reduced supplies in northern Syria, and Assad regime made no serious attempt to solve the problem. Unlike in the Euphrates Valley, where farmers receive cheap and abundant water due to state irrigation projects, farms in Jazira are supplied by private wells. In the years leading up to the war, drought and the tripling price of fuel for motorized pumps caused a significant reduction in Hasaka's cultivated areas (see PolicyWatch 2622, "Water Issues Are Crucial to Stability in Syria's Euphrates Valley").

An extensive Tigris River irrigation project was planned for 2008, but the lack of political will in Damascus and the eventual uprising prevented its implementation. After the war, water scarcity may be the main problem facing Rojava because agriculture is the local population's main source of income. Even if administrators prioritize the Tigris pump station, they will need to broker an agreement with Iraq and Turkey to tap into the river. Bashar al-Assad reached such an agreement with Ankara in 2008, but now all the parameters have changed.

In addition, Kurdish control of Tishrin Dam on the Euphrates could present opportunities to develop irrigation in western Rojava, which also suffers from shortages. Yet any such efforts would likely create problems with Arab farmers living downstream.
 
ROJAVA OIL IS NOT YET EXPORTABLE
The presence of oil wells in Jazira is an asset for Rojava; before the war, the oil fields at al-Malikiyah and al-Shadadi produced around one-third of the country's 380,000 barrels/day of crude. Since then, that figure has collapsed due to lack of maintenance and closed pipelines. Nevertheless, oil has become a major source of revenue for the Rojava administration, and it gives them the potential for future energy autonomy. Down the road, Rojava could export most of its production if it finds an adequate transportation solution.

Direct export across Turkey seems impossible for political reasons. If the original pipeline to the Syrian coastal terminal of Banias were reopened, Rojava could eventually sell oil to the Syrian government, but Damascus would surely oppose paying full price for "its own oil." Alternatively, the Syrian Kurds could use the Iraqi Kurdish pipeline to Turkey, though that would require reaching an agreement with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). The party currently in power there, the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), has very bad relations with the PYD due to decades-long tensions with the PKK; the Iraqi and Turkish groups follow entirely different ideologies and are led by strong leaders who detest each other. Partly as a result, trade between the Syrian Kurds and the KRG has been erratic. These obstacles could cause long-term problems for Rojava because the KRG is its only land connection with the outside world besides the Turkish border (which is closed) and the Euphrates Valley (which IS controls).

A PKK CORRIDOR TO THE MEDITERRANEAN?
The oil situation highlights the main barrier to Rojava's sustainability: its isolation. Kurdish society is very resilient and can accept Spartan living conditions, but many people have been leaving the PYD's areas of control. To stop the population hemorrhage, the PYD will need to develop the economy, which requires the free movement of goods to and from other countries. Yet relations with Turkey and the KDP may not improve anytime soon, and the timeline for eradicating IS and stabilizing the Euphrates is uncertain.



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Therefore, the only alternative may be to establish a western connection with Aleppo and the regime-controlled zone, which would require the PYD to accelerate its timeline for creating a territorial link between Afrin and Kobane. In this regard, it is important to remember that the PYD is the PKK's offspring and shares its regional goals. Extending Rojava all the way to the Mediterranean could facilitate both independence for Turkish Kurdistan and greater integration with the KRG, assuming Washington can eventually pressure the KRG into opening its border with Rojava. To be sure, the PYD has not mentioned any ambition to reach the Mediterranean, and bridging the seventy-kilometer gap between Rojava's claimed western border and the coast would entail great obstacles. Not only is the area populated entirely by non-Kurds, but Turkey and whoever controls the Alawite heartland would object strenuously. Yet at least some Kurds no doubt dream of establishing a Kurdish port, however distant the prospect.

Finally, the war could usher in other territorial outcomes that further the PYD/PKK regional project, such as an Alawite state on the coast and/or a Sunni Arab state further east. Official maps of Rojava already envision a western boundary that runs all the way to the edge of the Alawite heartland, so establishing friendly economic relations and coastal access privileges with such entities in the long term is not out of the question.
 
We Will Not Retreat to East of Euphrates: YPG Spokesman Redur Xelil.

http://www.kurdishquestion.com/arti...o-east-of-euphrates-ypg-spokesman-redur-xelil

Protection Units (YPG) spokesperson Redur Xelil has said the Kurdish force will not retreat from the west of the Euphrates to the east.

Speaking to journalist Mutlu Civiroglu, Xelil said his words had been misconstrued and that they wouldn't withdraw at anyone's request.

"We are in our own country and not withdrawing on the request of Turkey or someone else," Xelil told Civiroglu.

Reuters had said that Xelil had told them they would withdraw if the SDF instructed them to.

Turkish officials have threatened YPG with military action if the Kurdish force, which took part in the liberation of Manbij on the west of the Euphrates under the umbrella of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), did not retreat back across the river.

A top US official and Vice President Joe Biden also said they had told YPG forces to retreat to the east of the Euphrates or they would cease support for the group.

Turkish troops and FSA militants began a cross-border incursion into Jarablus today and have taken control of the ghost city within 12 hours. Reports suggest there were no clashes between them and Islamic State militants, who have withdrawn to Al-Bab. Some commentators have called attention to the fact that IS had allegedly conducted artillery attacks on Turkish soil in the past two days but there was no IS presence in Jarablus when Turkish-FSA forces arrived.
 
Rebels to surrender Syrian town of Darayya to Assad's forces

The besieged Syrian town of Darayya, a symbol of the rebellion against the regime of Bashar al-Assad, is to be taken over by government forces after the last rebel fighters agreed to hand over their weapons and leave.

The surrender and evacuation of the Damascus suburb after a brutal four-year siege is a devastating blow to opposition morale and a long-sought prize for Assad. Weeks of intense bombardment, which activists claim included napalm attacks, has finally overwhelmed rebels.

Full article :: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ender-syrian-town-of-darayya-to-assads-forces
 
We Will Not Retreat to East of Euphrates: YPG Spokesman Redur Xelil.

http://www.kurdishquestion.com/arti...o-east-of-euphrates-ypg-spokesman-redur-xelil

Protection Units (YPG) spokesperson Redur Xelil has said the Kurdish force will not retreat from the west of the Euphrates to the east.

Speaking to journalist Mutlu Civiroglu, Xelil said his words had been misconstrued and that they wouldn't withdraw at anyone's request.

"We are in our own country and not withdrawing on the request of Turkey or someone else," Xelil told Civiroglu.

Reuters had said that Xelil had told them they would withdraw if the SDF instructed them to.

Turkish officials have threatened YPG with military action if the Kurdish force, which took part in the liberation of Manbij on the west of the Euphrates under the umbrella of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), did not retreat back across the river.

A top US official and Vice President Joe Biden also said they had told YPG forces to retreat to the east of the Euphrates or they would cease support for the group.

Turkish troops and FSA militants began a cross-border incursion into Jarablus today and have taken control of the ghost city within 12 hours. Reports suggest there were no clashes between them and Islamic State militants, who have withdrawn to Al-Bab. Some commentators have called attention to the fact that IS had allegedly conducted artillery attacks on Turkish soil in the past two days but there was no IS presence in Jarablus when Turkish-FSA forces arrived.

And so they shouldn't. They've earned that territory fighting off ISIS and other extremist elements, while the Turks watched from the other side, eagerly allowing ISIS troops to cross in and out their border to regroup and resupply.
 
And so they shouldn't. They've earned that territory fighting off ISIS and other extremist elements, while the Turks watched from the other side, eagerly allowing ISIS troops to cross in and out their border to regroup and resupply.

Remember we were saying how the Kurds are inevitably going to get fecked over here? I think we're not far off from that happening now.
 
I like the harmony you guys have after we left the thread for you to spout your shite.
And so they shouldn't. They've earned that territory fighting off ISIS and other extremist elements, while the Turks watched from the other side, eagerly allowing ISIS troops to cross in and out their border to regroup and resupply.

They've earned it? Feck it, a Turkish invasion is way better than a Kurdish one.
 
I like the harmony you guys have after we left the thread for you to spout your shite.


They've earned it? Feck it, a Turkish invasion is way better than a Kurdish one.

Invasion? The Kurds are Syrian natives, it wouldn't be an invasion if they're defending their territories. The only 'invasion' is from the foreign jihadists within ISIS, Al Nusra and other rebel factions.

But yes, a Turkish invasion is preferable, considering they'd rather side with ISIS over the Kurds.
 
Invasion? The Kurds are Syrian natives, it wouldn't be an invasion if they're defending their territories. The only 'invasion' is from the foreign jihadists within ISIS, Al Nusra and other rebel factions.

But yes, a Turkish invasion is preferable, considering they'd rather side with ISIS over the Kurds.
Sure! Syrian rebels fractions are actually invading their country, but Kurds taking away our lands is fine, it's not invasion at all, and yes, Turks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kurds+Russian+Iranians+Hezboullah+Iraqi militias.
 
Sure! Syrian rebels fractions are actually invading their country, but Kurds taking away our lands is fine, it's not invasion at all, and yes, Turks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kurds+Russian+Iranians+Hezboullah+Iraqi militias.
What are you on about? Syrian Kurds are still Syrian, the country isn't just for Arabs.
 
What are you on about? Syrian Kurds are still Syrian, the country isn't just for Arabs.
Sure, all they want after all is a to take a piece of my country and make it theirs without our permission because you know "it's their rights", by the way what do you make of the kurdish terrorist bombing in Turkey today which escaped the current bunch of CE forum caftards? Or is it a ploy by Erdogan to criminalize the innocent Kurds? Or is it okay because they are Kurds?
 
Sure, all they want after all is a to take a piece of my country and make it theirs without our permission because you know "it's their rights", by the way what do you make of the kurdish terrorist bombing in Turkey today which escaped the current bunch of CE forum caftards? Or is it a ploy by Erdogan to criminalize the innocent Kurds? Or is it okay because they are Kurds?

What do you think should happen to the Kurds long-term, out of interest?
 
Sure, all they want after all is a to take a piece of my country and make it theirs without our permission because you know "it's their rights", by the way what do you make of the kurdish terrorist bombing in Turkey today which escaped the current bunch of CE forum caftards? Or is it a ploy by Erdogan to criminalize the innocent Kurds? Or is it okay because they are Kurds?

So you're saying Syrian Kurds are not Syrian? I'll ask you again, is Syria only for the Arabs?

I'm glad you mentioned the checkpoint bombing in South-eastern Turkey, I would love to talk more about what's happening there considering the Turks have butchered thousands of Kurds there of the last year or so. But I'm guessing because the primary victims are Kurds it doesn't warrant your attention.
 
So you're saying Syrian Kurds are not Syrian? I'll ask you again, is Syria only for the Arabs?

I'm glad you mentioned the checkpoint bombing in South-eastern Turkey, I would love to talk more about what's happening there considering the Turks have butchered thousands of Kurds there of the last year or so. But I'm guessing because the primary victims are Kurds it doesn't warrant your attention.
So your excuse is that the turks violence warrants terrorist attacks from the kurds? You know I can see your point if not for your hypocrisy being pro-assad when all the rebels did was more or less the same.
 
So your excuse is that the turks violence warrants terrorist attacks from the kurds? You know I can see your point if not for your hypocrisy being pro-assad when all the rebels did was more or less the same.

I'm not saying it does, just that the first time you mention south-eastern Turkey is when Kurdish groups have carried out attacks against the military, you've not mentioned the decades of brutality, oppression and degradation they've faced there.

Treated as equals while not dividing up the country.

The fact that they've not been treated as equals by the regime and main rebel groups not make you think they perhaps deserve a bit of autonomy? If the Kurds in Iraq enjoy a degree of self-governance, why can't the Syrian Kurds enjoy the same?
 
Treated as equals while not dividing up the country.

From the Kurdish point of view, their options seem to be:

a. Submit to the regime

b. Submit to ISIS

c. Submit to or join forces with 'the rebels' who are led by Salafi-jihadis who want to impose a version of Islamic law on the country which is totally at odds with the Kurds' cultural and political traditions

d. Fight for their own space in which to decide their future for themselves.

Can you understand why they have chosen d?
 
I'm not saying it does, just that the first time you mention south-eastern Turkey is when Kurdish groups have carried out attacks against the military, you've not mentioned the decades of brutality, oppression and degradation they've faced there.



The fact that they've not been treated as equals by the regime and main rebel groups not make you think they perhaps deserve a bit of autonomy? If the Kurds in Iraq enjoy a degree of self-governance, why can't the Syrian Kurds enjoy the same?
So you are giving the kurds an excuse for the recent bombings? And no we are not like Iraq, dividing the country at this point is not an option we can tolerate, you know what, you get an opinion on this matter once you become in our shoes and see your country burn infront of your eyes while everyone wants a piece of it not even shedding a tear on the 500k killed in this war, seeing you guys discuss the situation in Syria in the way you are, so entitled and not giving a feck about the blood we shed sickens me, so feck the Democratic Syrian Army, I'm out.
 
From the Kurdish point of view, their options seem to be:

a. Submit to the regime

b. Submit to ISIS

c. Submit to or join forces with 'the rebels' who are led by Salafi-jihadis who want to impose a version of Islamic law on the country which is totally at odds with the Kurds' cultural and political traditions

d. Fight for their own space in which to decide their future for themselves.

Can you understand why they have chosen d?
Curious question, what happens after the civil war? Whoever wins they won't be getting any sovereignty and they shouldn't either.
 
So you are giving the kurds an excuse for the recent bombings? And no we are not like Iraq, dividing the country at this point is not an option we can tolerate, you know what, you get an opinion on this matter once you become in our shoes and see your country burn infront of your eyes while everyone wants a piece of it not even shedding a tear on the 500k killed in this war, seeing you guys discuss the situation in Syria in the way you are, so entitled and not giving a feck about the blood we shed sickens me, so feck the Democratic Syrian Army, I'm out.

I've actually seen that very thing happen with my own country, it still is infact, so trust me I know. Not as if that sort of thing should exclusively qualify you to an opinion mind you.

And this a forum where we're discussing the various angles to this multi-faceted and very complex conflict. If you're getting upset every time someone says something that doesn't conform to your funnelled view of the conflict, then perhaps don't bother debating or take a break.
 
Curious question, what happens after the civil war? Whoever wins they won't be getting any sovereignty and they shouldn't either.

Why shouldn't they?