Mh, i don't think so. Isco is a more entertaining dribbler, but i'd say iniesta is a notch above technically. Better touch and control of both the ball and his body. Isco has great technique though, for sure. Far better shot and a bigger goal threat
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Isco has changed a lot in the last couple of years.He has always been great with the ball, a "pelotero"/"jugón" as we say in Spain,with some movements of a past playing futsal,however before he wasn't in the same harmony as the rest of the team,a loose verse.
Now he accelerates or stops the play in the perfect moment, has corrected that surplus dribbling and doesn't knead the ball so much.
Now he accelerates or stops the play in the perfect moment, has corrected that surplus dribbling and doesn't knead the ball so much.
Read Real want his buyout clause to be something like 500 mil.
I disagree completely. Modric/Marcelo were our best players after Ronaldo. And how can you say Isco's good performances must become the norm rather than the exception when he's been one of our most consistent players. He rarely has a bad game. On the other hand you seem to rate Benzema so highly while he has 1 good game in 5.
I can only conclude from your post that Italian wine must be very good.
Like poetry.
He truly is a joy to watch. He's a little reminiscent of a young Iniesta in the way he carries the ball, but Isco has much more end product, it seems. Not taking anything away from Iniesta - one of my favorite players.
No, i'm saying good isn't enough, he should be as good as he was against italy all the time.(well okay that's hyperbole. You get what i'm saying?)
For the best player part i was talking about ability rather than performance. And Kroos has been better than Modric last two seasons imho
Bale was a real Balon D'Or candidate last year? I like you giorno but come on really???
Very high praise indeed for Benzema, when on form even more important than Kroos, Marcelo or Modric?
I'm talking about their level for the past few months/season. It's not about what Bale or Benzema have done years ago, Bale is not performing very well recently and based on form shouldn't be a starter when everyone is healthy. Benzema while technically good with the ability to combine well doesn't have the ruthlessness or finishing ability of great strikers.
I see a bit of Iniesta, but he's a different type of player, flashier, more individual but still crucial to bringing others into play. I don't think he can spot a pass or make the right decision almost robotically like Iniesta but he's a joy to watch and it's just a shame Iniesta is winding down when Isco is stepping up.
Happy he is fulfilling his potential. He was already brilliant for Malaga and the young Spain national teams. Has lost his way a bit since joining Real, with Ancelotti he had brilliant moments and games but didnt get a long run in the team due to their other stars and top players getting the position back immediately. But he is stepping up massively under Zidane the last year. he is just brilliant to watch and i love players doing well that are just brilliant and make football a better watch.
His passing is the only thing holding him back from being a genuine superstar, he has ridiculous ability with the ball at his feet.
Or it is Spain's fortune to have a next generation of players with an incredible gift. If this Isco was present during "prime Spain" time, he'd have been on the bench.
You mean the Isco that had 10 goals and 11 assists playing just 2300 minutes last season isn't a genuine superstar....nor a good passer.
Ok then.
True.
Isco is great. He was being criminally underrated some time back. I didn't understand why anyone would not want a player of his technical quality even if he wasn't starting got Madrid. He's got that magical quality in his feet.
Having said that, he's definitely no Iniesta who was a much much better footballer. But that's fine, Iniesta is one of the best footballers I've ever seen.
Isco is only 25, comparing him to Iniesta and his career is a bit harsh, how about we wait till Isco is 33 and see how he stands up
Why do you even bring the number of goals to discuss whether he's a great passer or not
? Also, number of assists don't tell the full story.reread what I wrote you may get the hint as I even stated what i was addressing.Why do you even bring the number of goals to discuss whether he's a great passer or not
And yes number of assists don't tell the full story, in the last 6 months when Isco has come into his own you will find very few better passes of a final ball than Isco himself. If you watched Madrid, this would be unquestionable. I am sure other Madridistas would agree
year 2016 not season 2016/17
I said better, not more important. Benzema at his best is as good as Lewandowski. The problem is he's inconsistent and only plays 10 games a season at that level
I havent questionned anything.
Reminds me a bit of Iniesta with his ball control this guy is awesome.
Marcelo was your best player last year for my money, followed by Ronnie then Modric.
If the season was only the last half, then Isco would definitely be in there somewhere.
He's got a great final ball for sure. But i have to agree that his passing could be improved. He still tends to get sloppy or take an extra touch at times. If he phases those bad habits ouy of his game he'll be a top 10 player in the world. His ability to find and attack the right spaces is incredible and he can score goals. Off the ball he's already the best midfielder in the world imho, on the same level as Alli. Drop him into Mourinho's first chelsea and he'd be a 15/20 goals a season player.
One thing i notice about him(and is even more noticeable when he plays with Iniesta) is the way he plays quick combinations in tight areas only to find himself sorrounded by 3 defenders because the third player didn't understand what he wanted to do and didn't make the right movement at the right time. His awareness and understanding of space are just next level
He actually reminded me more of Ronaldinho than of Iniesta yesterday. Without the pace though, and obviously not as good as he was at his peak, yet still, the aggressivness in his dribbling is something I don't associate with Iniesta (he is more elegant and nonchalant in his dribbling). Fantastic to watch.
and that's why we signed Mata right? Some people really think our scouts are a bunch of kids
Mata was signed under Moyes, not Fergie, when Isco and Silva were linked to us. Maybe he listened to his own scout or we ignored some opinions. Plus Mata made it already in the PL. And we were also extremely desperate for a good signing
Yeah he could be fulfilling his potential now which would see him reaching a new level. However it has to be said that he's being praised with comparisons to Iniesta so naturally it would have to be stressed that he isn't at that level. So far Isco hasn't been undroppable. If Madrid had Iniesta, there is no chance he'd be left out. He was that good. Others would have to move about if needed.
There was a story that came out from Valencia I think 2 years before he moved to the prem that Valencia rebuffed Uniteds 25mil offer for him.
On Isco a while ago reports that Barca were going to move for him when his contract runs down. Isco wants to be a main part in that team and with Modric,Kroos,Ronaldo,Benzema occupying places he could play then Bale seems the odd one out and also Asensio coming through. It does seem someone will want or have to go soon.
Seemingly Real are making a thing about playing Isco to show he is truly valued at the club.
Nonsense. Isco won his starting place with his performances last season
Isco is incredible and his dribbling is in my opinion the best in the world.
However can't shake the thought that he is missing something.
However can't shake the thought that he is missing something.
He is technically brilliant, but I think he is actually more similar to Fabregas than Iniesta, as far as comparisons with Spanish playmakers go. He may have more goals and assists, but players like Iniesta (or Zidane in his time) have that extra bit of composure and skill that makes them untouchable.
His passing?
I get that, like I said earlier, for me at the back end of last season he was the best player in the world. However the story is Real need to prove he is a valued member of the first team. As quite often he has been overlooked. He's made himself undroppable currently but he's 1 or 2 performances away from being a squad player again. Hence why there were stories that Barca will move for him or other teams that will assure him he is the main man at their teams or within the team and his position.
Yeah, his decision making and weight of pass is nothing special.
Those stats are nothing special for player that players as a treq for the best club in the world. He's a good passer, just not a great one.
Spot on. Both the part with criminally underrated, and the part with Iniesta being a much better footballer. Some of the things he does now at Madrid and makes fans rave about him, he also did while at Malaga. The exact same bits of skills and great shots.
I expected him to develop faster though, and for this reason Madrid is a bit to blame. They weren't able to get the full potential out of Isco. Not even to this day.
Spain will win the world cup with him at the forefront. It will make him the first to break the Messi and Ronaldo ballondor cycle.
The only thing that bothers me about him is his hairstyle. There's something off about it.
Brazil?
He is more of a winger/CAM than a CM. His future is in the middle though.
It's erratic, but i wouldn't say it's nothing special