Is Weghorst the worst Premier League player we have ever had?

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If there's no limitation to the amount of games they played for United, there's dozens worse who played under SAF & LvG. Your Eckerleys, O'Kanes, Blacketts, Fryers, Pat McGibbons, Dongs, Michael Cleggs, Chadwicks, Liam Millers, Ricardos, Darren Fergusons etc.

Good knee-jerk effort though.
 
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Nah.

It's Alexis Sanchez.

In terms of expectations, nobody really expected much from him and he's delivered.

He at least tries. That's about it.

Sanchez got a winner in the FA Cup semi. And player a part in the come back win at the Etihad. I know its not much for a 300k a week guy but its something…

Unless Wout scores in the final, he will leave here with zero memories.
 
For the amount of games played I’d say yes. I have, like many on here, witnessed the entire premier league years and then some. We have had some right stinkers who never really played much but his guy just seems so crap at absolutely everything.

He tries though and doesn’t hide so that is an admirable trait but if he never plays another minute I will be happy.
 
Bellion, Dong, Taibi, Manucho, just to name a few. Plenty of other examples if you trawl through the years.

Care to name any more if there are so many?

Bellion 8 goals and 2 assists in 40 appearances, yeah he was a better player for us.

Dong made one PL appearance in 4 years at the club.

Taibi was a Goalkeeper and only played 4 PL games.

Manucho 1 PL appearance and got an assist.

If 2 guys who only made one appearance and a GK who made 4 are all you can come up with mate. Then I'd say Weghorst is very fecking close to being our worst player in the PL era by anyone's metric.
 
Dong made one PL appearance in 4 years at the club.

Taibi was a Goalkeeper and only played 4 PL games.

Exactly. They were so poor that they didn't even make more appearances than that. So they are clearly worse PL players than WW. Would Dong or Taibi have made 21 appearances for the Dutch national team if they were Dutch? Doubt it.
 
Exactly. They were so poor that they didn't even make more appearances than that. So they are clearly worse PL players than WW. Would Dong or Taibi have made 21 appearances for the Dutch national team if they were Dutch? Doubt it.

But we were a top side back then, players of Weghorst's level would only get one PL game.
 
But we were a top side back then, players of Weghorst's level would only get one PL game.

If they were in their prime today, do you think they'd make the Dutch national team? If it was only about the quality of the United team then, why did Dong move back to China instead of a decent league in Europe? Why didn't he move to the Bundesliga and score 59 and assist 20 in 118 games (7 in 9 in the German Cup), or to Eredivisie to score 51 and assist 17 in 124 matches? Or to the SüperLig to score 8 and assist 4 in 16 games?

Anyway I'll play along. Do you think the following were better players than WW is?

Eckerley, O'Kane, Blackett, Fryers, Pat McGibbon, Michael Clegg, Chadwick, Liam Miller, Ricardo, Darren Ferguson.
 
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Care to name any more if there are so many?

Bellion 8 goals and 2 assists in 40 appearances, yeah he was a better player for us.

Dong made one PL appearance in 4 years at the club.

Taibi was a Goalkeeper and only played 4 PL games.

Manucho 1 PL appearance and got an assist.

If 2 guys who only made one appearance and a GK who made 4 are all you can come up with mate. Then I'd say Weghorst is very fecking close to being our worst player in the PL era by anyone's metric.

Those are off the top of my head. You can trawl through the history of Manchester United to find more. Another poster above has made more. So now we’ve moved the goalposts to worst in history to only those who’ve made certain appearances. It appears we will just keep moving the goalposts until people are satisfied in their heads he is the worse. If those players made a handful of appearance where the manager didnt rate them what does that tell you.
 
Not the worst, but there's never been a United attacker where I've been so certain that they won't score when they play
 
Sanchez got a winner in the FA Cup semi. And player a part in the come back win at the Etihad. I know its not much for a 300k a week guy but its something…

Unless Wout scores in the final, he will leave here with zero memories.

He leaves here with a cup winners medal and from his reaction he was pleased so I think that’s a good memory to leave with and potentially another cup medal.
 
If they were in their prime today, do you think they'd make the Dutch national team? If it was only about the quality of the United team then, why did Dong move back to China instead of a decent league in Europe?

Anyway I'll play along. Do you think the following were better players than WW is?

Eckerley, O'Kane, Blackett, Fryers, Pat McGibbon, Michael Clegg, Chadwick, Liam Miller, Ricardo, Darren Ferguson.

Remember Scott Wootons insane performance against Chelsea in that league cup 5-4 loss in 2012?
 
Remember Scott Wootons insane performance against Chelsea in that league cup 5-4 loss in 2012?

I do. But apparently only players who played a particular amount in a particular era are included. Adjust the criteria for as long as you need to until you've nailed it down to a current United player so you can call him the worst.
 
He's just as bad as any of them tbh, he's in the "completely useless" category and I wouldn't split hairs over who is the worst of that lot
 
He's just as bad as any of them tbh, he's in the "completely useless" category and I wouldn't split hairs over who is the worst of that lot

Why did the rest move to non league before retiring whereas WW has accomplished a very nice career? Feck if only the managers of Wolfsburg, Beşiktaş, AZ and the Dutch national teams had the ability to judge players as well as Caf posters.
 
Taibi, I was at that Southampton game and he was hilarious.


He is actually a very good keeper. I think he was at Atalanta or something and I remember him being good whenever I watched highlights of his games there. Probably not world class but better than decent. It was just a horrible start with us.
 
What the hell was it you saw in Bebe? Weghorst is miles ahead
 
Weghorst is definitely up there with the most ineffective players we've ever had. He makes up the numbers, and that's all he does.
 
Care to name any more if there are so many?

Bellion 8 goals and 2 assists in 40 appearances, yeah he was a better player for us.

Dong made one PL appearance in 4 years at the club.

Taibi was a Goalkeeper and only played 4 PL games.

Manucho 1 PL appearance and got an assist.

If 2 guys who only made one appearance and a GK who made 4 are all you can come up with mate. Then I'd say Weghorst is very fecking close to being our worst player in the PL era by anyone's metric.

Do you remember the "assist" in question - 'cos I do and I promise you, it's very much an assist in the absolute loosest sense of the word.
 
He obviously isn't the worst we've ever had. And all the aforementioned names in the OP had the benefit of playing in significantly better teams.
 
If they were in their prime today, do you think they'd make the Dutch national team? If it was only about the quality of the United team then, why did Dong move back to China instead of a decent league in Europe? Why didn't he move to the Bundesliga and score 59 and assist 20 in 118 games (7 in 9 in the German Cup), or to Eredivisie to score 51 and assist 17 in 124 matches? Or to the SüperLig to score 8 and assist 4 in 16 games?

No because they aren't Dutch.

This thread is asking if Weghorst is the worst player for United in the PL era. No one is talking about their entire careers, so it's irrelevant what he's done at other clubs or at international level.

If all people can come up with is players who made 0-5 PL appearances for the club then he's certainly down there.

Anyway I'll play along. Do you think the following were better players than WW is?

Eckerley, O'Kane, Blackett, Fryers, Pat McGibbon, Michael Clegg, Chadwick, Liam Miller, Ricardo, Darren Ferguson.

Eckersley 0 PL appearances.

O'kane 1 substitute PL appearance.

Fryers 0 PL appearances

McGibbon 0 PL appearances

Clegg 4 PL appearances mostly as sub

Chadwick 25 PL appearances

Miller 9 PL appearances

Ricardo 1 PL appearance

Ferguson 3 Pl appearances

Of those you can only really compare him to Chadwick and Miller (even though half of his games were as sub) as none of the rest have a decent sample size of appearances to compare to. Of those two I'd say Chadwick was a better player in the PL for us and Miller even or worse.
 
Cant be many worse players than Wieghorst that have played for us in the premier league...

Ive seen players like Bebe, Prunier, Obertan, Djemba x2, Kleberson,Cruyff, Manucho, but they all had something about them, they all had an attribute that you would say was useful..they all contributed even if it didnt work out or they werent consistent.

However ability wise Wieghorst offers nothing, he is so ineffective and slow, trying hard and jogging about shouldnt warrant being a Man utd player. ETH far more qualified than me to see what he brings but despite my best efforts to support WW, i find myself sympathising with the guy.

Can tell you have never played or coached football in your life. Great thread
 
No because they aren't Dutch.

This thread is asking if Weghorst is the worst player for United in the PL era. No one is talking about their entire careers, so it's irrelevant what he's done at other clubs or at international level.

If all people can come up with is players who made 0-5 PL appearances for the club then he's certainly down there.



Eckersley 0 PL appearances.

O'kane 1 substitute PL appearance.

Fryers 0 PL appearances

McGibbon 0 PL appearances

Clegg 4 PL appearances mostly as sub

Chadwick 25 PL appearances

Miller 9 PL appearances

Ricardo 1 PL appearance

Ferguson 3 Pl appearances

Of those you can only really compare him to Chadwick and Miller (even though half of his games were as sub) as none of the rest have a decent sample size of appearances to compare to. Of those two I'd say Chadwick was a better player in the PL for us and Miller even or worse.

Okay so we can't say whether Messi would've made the Swedish national team because he's not Swedish.

It's not irrelevant because what they've done in their careers show their quality.

Eckersley 2 PL appearances

O'Kane 120 minutes in PL

Clegg 9 PL appearances

Fryers 2 PL appearances, 1 CL

Ferguson 18 PL appearances

The question was whether WW is the worst PL player to have played for United, no? So why are the ones who have played less than him (Chadwick has even played more) not included in the discussion?
 
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The one thing that surprises me with him is how bad he is at winning headers. The man is like 7 foot and doesn't win anything in the air.

Doubt he's the worst, but he isn't great. He was brought in as a cheap option to make up the numbers. He's a body and done a job. He's going back to Burnley, so it isn't an issue.
 
The one thing that surprises me with him is how bad he is at winning headers. The man is like 7 foot and doesn't win anything in the air.

Doubt he's the worst, but he isn't great. He was brought in as a cheap option to make up the numbers. He's a body and done a job. He's going back to Burnley, so it isn't an issue.

Yeah I'm also disappointed in his ability to shield the ball, use his body better and win headers.
 
He's the worst regular I have seen. We've had a few shockers but they were quickly snuffed out and moved on.

With a few like Falcao and Sanchez you could see the quality and the movement was there but their bodies wouldn't do what they wanted anymore. Weghorst is just way out of his depth.
 
Okay so we can't say whether Messi would've made the Swedish national team because he's not Swedish.

That was a joke mate.

It's not irrelevant because what they've done in their careers show their quality.

But what relevance do those performances have to how he's done at United? By that logic was Schweinsteiger brilliant for United based on his performances for Bayern and Germany yes?

Eckersley 2 PL appearances

Fryers 2 PL appearances, 1 CL

Missed that fair enough, they both have 0 PL starts though. So doesn't change my point.

The question was whether WW is the worst PL player to have played for United, no?

For United yes, that's the important part.

So why are the ones who have played less than him (Chadwick has even played more) not included in the discussion?

You can include them if you want mate, though I doubt anyone has a great recollection of Manucho's 16 minutes as a sub for United in the PL back in 2008. So it seems a bit disingenuous to compare him with a guy who's made 12 PL appearances for us and most from the start.

As I said if people have to drag up names like Manucho who played all of 16 minutes as evidence of a worse player then that says it all really.
 
If they were in their prime today, do you think they'd make the Dutch national team? If it was only about the quality of the United team then, why did Dong move back to China instead of a decent league in Europe? Why didn't he move to the Bundesliga and score 59 and assist 20 in 118 games (7 in 9 in the German Cup), or to Eredivisie to score 51 and assist 17 in 124 matches? Or to the SüperLig to score 8 and assist 4 in 16 games?

Anyway I'll play along. Do you think the following were better players than WW is?

Eckerley, O'Kane, Blackett, Fryers, Pat McGibbon, Michael Clegg, Chadwick, Liam Miller, Ricardo, Darren Ferguson.
Someone else has already mentioned him but I'd add Donald Love to that list.

I guess it wasn't his one and only Premier League game but his performance when we lost 2-1 to Midtjylland is one of the worst individual performances I've ever seen from a United player, and his one Premier League appearance was a 2-1 defeat to a crap Sunderland team.
 
this thread is so unfair. he’s had a really hard life, as have a lot of strikers like him. he’s been forced to play all over the place. he’s been forced to carry more than his natural ability dictates. his physique and mentality leads him to being exploited and over worked, in some of the harshest conditions imaginable. managers and owners, running him into the dirt, often forcing him to work when he’s injured. he’s caring by nature and tries his hardest, almost loves unconditionally.

he’s finally found somewhere he’s happy to be, somewhere nice, somewhere where he feels he can learn to trust again and open up. we need to be patient with him. let’s not forget, he and his kind are callable of mauling coyotes and wolves and turning them into pulp. for just £5 a month, you can sponsor the likes of weghorst, and donkeys like him, to ensure they have a cruelty-free existence.
 
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