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Is Van Gaal the reason we MIGHT sign big names...
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I generally agree but when not offering European football and David moyes in charge you have to admit the propsect of signing for United must have seemed a bit less appealing than normal. When Mata signed, top 4 was a strong posibility and he was being wasted on the bench at Chelsea.
Nonsense. Manchester United is Manchester United, and we could be relegated and still have immense pulling power. Do you think players would stop wanting to sign for Real Madrid if they weren't in Europe for a season? Of course they wouldn't.
The manager has a significant impact though, as do many other factors such as location, weather, history, personal preference etc... So it's a valid discussion I think.
Yes and that's why most players would choose Real over Man Utd. Would they choose any single other club over Man Utd? Hard to say but there's not one I could think of (yes, not even Barca necessarily).
I read some where that he doesn't actually sign many players but promotes instead. No better time to start promoting though, we've some cracking youths coming through.
Think we need a poll for this one lads.
Nah Im pretty sure he signed Robben. But thanks for the info Karl Heinz
The simple answer is maybe. It simply depends. We may be the only big club in the market for some players. Some players will simply go for the highest bidder. Others from abroad may not want to play in England. Some may want a club in which they believe they'll have the best chance of playing regularly. And some may look at the coach and his reputation.
The identity of the manager is not going to be relevant for every player, not even two out of three. But here and there, yes, possibly.
The identity of the manager is not going to be relevant for every player, not even two out of three. But here and there, yes, possibly.
Gustavo came during his second year, too. The only big problem was the left fullback position - and what was on the market seemed too expansive for van Gaal when you looked that Bayern still had possibilities with Pranjic or Contento. The Süddeutsche had an interview with LvG in which that was the topic. At the end this was even very well as like this there was room for Alaba to jump into the team.
Kroos came back in his second year, too. He wanted to stay in Leverkusen but the club and LvG opted against that.
I do not think there was so much wrong with his transfers or the lack of big transfers then. In his first year he came when Bayern already had spent a lot of money. And Bayern did not have the money for a big bench like 2 years later - a transfer like Martinez Bayern would not have been made without the losses in 2011/12...
Braafheid was a young promising player then. But it does not always work out. And Pranjic - was a good utility and bench player and was not brought in as a starting player. You need this kind, too. He was good value for the money he cost.
Part of the reason along with being Manchester United and paying big wages.
Well and truly this..
He will increase our appeal but top players can be pulled by the Manchester United name and our money with or without a manager.
Yep and we have just saved around £250k ish a week on Vidic and Rio leaving and with others seemingly leaving we can offer high wages for the bigger players and not hurt our wage structure too much.
Get Young off the books and were be sorted
Hazard chose Chelsea over us.
Other talents have chosen other teams over us too.
People make far too much about the name and supposed stature of the club. At the end of the day what counts is money, agent fees and location.
I'd say we're making up for it money wise this time around but before this summer we'd have been behind Real, Barça, Bayern, City, Chelsea and PSG at least if we were all going for the same targets. Obviously not 100% of the time (RVP and Kagawa for instance) but most of the time.
Every player is different. No team signs everyone they want.
I'd be very surprised if it wasn't near top of the list for EVERY player.
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We were outdone by a team with no manager for a player that claimed he wanted to become the best in the world...
I think its fair to say money is the name of the game nowadays. (There are rare cases, though)
I think its fair to say money is the name of the game nowadays. (There are rare cases, though)
If it's a complete nobody manager, then possibly. But realistically, I'd say things like money, CL football, quality of the team, location, chances of being a regular first choice player (when it's not a big name player who'll obviously be a regular starter) are just as likely to be vital.
You'd think that with Sir Alex we'd be winning deal after deal. But we've lost plenty.
I think that having a high profile, highly respected manager is a big factor for players. Obviously not as big a factor as money but it's one of the biggest factors after that I think.
ask his brother wife
Surely we just bake them a fecking huge cake, that's how it works right ?
Totally unrealistic list from the kid......
Aberdeen's transfer list would no way be restricted to attackers.
I think the manager plays a big part in this process. People might argue that Hazard chose Chelsea when they had no manager, but that is only one case. Its an exception.
Strikes me as a guy who isn't bothered about names. More bothered about an ego-boost from making names.
I could be wrong but the stories about his time at Bayern suggests he isn't massively engulfed by the big name transfers and more focused on making players learn his way and execute that to perfection.
I could be wrong but the stories about his time at Bayern suggests he isn't massively engulfed by the big name transfers and more focused on making players learn his way and execute that to perfection.
Well.....shit!
There's no one club thats the biggest in the world right now. Its a group of 3 - us, Real & Barca. How thats exactly calculated is for another thread..
Money talks aright Eddie, but many players opt for the lifestyle in the sun over coming to us & you cant blame them either.. 1st opportunity folk from the British & Irish shores have - we bugger off to the sun, so playin football there & gettin paid well for it is a no-brainer for top players!
Feels like he's the reason we might not sign big names this Summer, funnily enough.
Yeah just read this morning that he is more interested in turning talents into world class players and making sure they realize their potential rather than splash money on a big name signing.
Spot on man!
Well, we gotta trust him then, because he's already said that he wants to win the league next season, so he better be able to back that up with players capable of delivering that bold statement!
The possibility has to be considered that LvG might make the same mistake as Moyes did & turn down the option of signing top players we've done the groundwork on i.e. Garay, Thiago & Strootman last summer, and now with LvG - the likes of Kroos, Carvalho & Reus to name but a few..
Yep i agree, not having CL football next year will put off some players, but there will still be plenty lining up to join a club of our stature. I often wonder why some posters on here seem oblivious to the fact that other clubs seem to manage in the transfer market without having anywhere near our standing or resources.
Yes, some of the world's superstars will not want to come because we are not in the CL, but how many clubs operate buying those types of players anyway? It's about buying the right players, not always established world class players. Many clubs have to sell their best players annually just to balance the books, and somehow they still manage to stay competitive.We have so many advantages over the vast majority of clubs, i really don't see why we continually hear all this nonsense about the potential pulling power of our managers. This club has plenty of pull, irrespective of who is manager. Far more than the likes of Dortmund, PSG, Porto, Atletico, Liverpool etc, yet they all seem easily capable of regularly signing players who improve them.
Woodward was the reason we didn't get the deals done last summer, not moyes. It will be woodward's responsibility once again this summer to give LVG a far better chance this season, than last summer's horror show gave to Moyes. If he fails to sign the players LVG targets, then that is nothing to do with the managers pulling power, it is down to the ineptitude of the CE, as it was last year.
Au Contrer in my opinion. Van Gaal is a known anti-muppet and prefers promoting youth. Suppose thats a good thing really, although a little boring.
However, who do we have in the setup who is worthy of a promotion into the first team? Pereira, Pearson, janko, Wilson?
However, who do we have in the setup who is worthy of a promotion into the first team? Pereira, Pearson, janko, Wilson?
Van Gaal is known for being the one that had an opportunity to play world class talented youngsters. He didn't make them. It's a massive myth on here that he'll turn any of our youngsters into first team calibre players.
Come on, i mean even a smaller clubs without CL managed to get a great players in, we just need a good scouting and recruitment dep asap.
But is scouting really the main problem here? We seems to identify good talents but the negotiations with player and the clubs is a bigger problem in my opinion.
How would you know that? I mean most of it is media speculation, so we have a very limited insight into how deals are actually struck. I also don't think identifying Shaw, Kroos, Hummels, Cesc can be considered "good work of scouting department". These are obvious choices. I mean you need to make sure they fit, but still. We need to work on bringing players like Coutinho or Zabaleta. Someone who does not have a huge profile yet can be a great asset for us.
Also how would I know that? Did you not see what happened with Herrera? I mean not all of can be bullshit. We did feck up somewhere. I wasn't talking about the likes of Kroos and Cesc. You don't need a scouting dept to tell you they are good. We have done well in regards to getting someone like Perreira, Januzaj, Janko etc. Carvalho and Clasie seem talented. They aren't huge profiles yet. Its just that LVG might not want Carvalho. We are doing well in the young-age dept i.e under 18 players for the future.
And what did happen? Conspiracy theories aside, i believe we tried to sign him, offered reasonable fee, Athletic has declined to negotiate and we backed out, because we did not believe him to be a 30+ mil player. Also Bilbao is notoriously hard to negotiate with and these buy-out clauses are actually very tricky, it's not like they are activated with an offer from another club, like some might think.
Everything else is probably agents/intermediaries looking for an angle.
Carvalho is already a quite high profiled player. Not in the same group as Cesc, but still. I think if LVG want Clasie, he will get him.