This is the kind of football we're typically served in a manager's 2nd and 3rd season.
Is this the worst run of awful football since Fergie retired?
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So Amorim is ahead of schedule?
As far as permanent managers go, yes. This is just as awful to watch as Van Gaal's second season. The only difference being that Van Gaal's awful football lasted longer. Although considering how stubborn Amorim is, I can't us becoming any more enjoyable to watch anytime soon.
We were at our worst under Rangnick, but because everyone knew he wasn't going to be around for long, it was a weird limbo period and it was therefore difficult to make too many overarching judgements about the state we were in.
I'm surprised this thread was created with Ten Hag in charge. His second season was chaotic, tactically stupid football, but it was never as awfully dull as it was in Van Gaal's second season.
We were at our worst under Rangnick, but because everyone knew he wasn't going to be around for long, it was a weird limbo period and it was therefore difficult to make too many overarching judgements about the state we were in.
I'm surprised this thread was created with Ten Hag in charge. His second season was chaotic, tactically stupid football, but it was never as awfully dull as it was in Van Gaal's second season.
Yes I think so. This season has produced some truly horrific performances, especially in OT. Funnily enough we seem slightly better away from home, but at home it's been diabolical.
Worst we've ever played in the PL era rankings.
1. Right now.
2. Second season Van Gaal.
3. Rangnick caretaker period.
4. Second season Ten Hag.
5. 3rd season Mourinho.
6. Post-Ronaldo Ole.
1. Right now.
2. Second season Van Gaal.
3. Rangnick caretaker period.
4. Second season Ten Hag.
5. 3rd season Mourinho.
6. Post-Ronaldo Ole.
We had some shockers under Moyes too. But to be fair, and if I am remembering it correctly, we weren’t as negative.
Jose reign we had an aura of top club and the arrogance. Every match is 50% winable at worst
With Amorim i admit i didnt expect it to be this bad. Unless he bought a new set of 10 players these bunches will still be on the team next season. If he cant coach them right in 3 months to resemble a team i fear for spunking another 200M to fill the team with 8 defenders and 343 players which probably might not be the next manager cup of tea
With Amorim i admit i didnt expect it to be this bad. Unless he bought a new set of 10 players these bunches will still be on the team next season. If he cant coach them right in 3 months to resemble a team i fear for spunking another 200M to fill the team with 8 defenders and 343 players which probably might not be the next manager cup of tea
Moyes had a virtually impossible job, after Fergie's reign. Granted he didn't help himself, but he was overwhelmed with the task.
That said, I still think he would do a better job now than Amorim.
A fear of mine too if this doesn’t work out.
Image telling someone during the Moyes era that there'll be 6 worse eras in the next 10/11 years.
Football is weird. We had some good performances against City, Arsenal and Liverpool. Waaaay to many bad results at home. And now, 4 wins out of the last 5 games. Football has been awful, yes. But I really didn't expect major improvements with the same squad, that sucked under the previous manager.
Well if everyone else had worse second or third seasons, god help us if Amorim doesn’t buck the trend
This season was always going to be a write off. Doesn't mean you have to play shit. In many ways, you'd think they'd express themselves more with 0 expectations.
Moyes job was 500% easier than Amorim’s job right now ffs. What planet are you on?
100% disagree.
Following in the footsteps of the greatest manager of all time is almost impossible. Especially so when David Gill left at the same time. Look what happened post Busby as well - same thing. Everyone was lining Moyes up to fail. Like I said, he didn't help himself. He was an unpleasant man with the staff at the club. I didn't like him.
Compare that to following ETH, with his record and performances and where the club was when he left - Amorim's job is infinitely easier. For some reason fans think it's ok not to expect anything from him. Everyone giving him time to adapt to his system. Oh hey everyone - doesn't he speak well. Oh it doesn't matter if we play shite, it doesn't matter is we're consistently losing at home. He has a plan. Rubbish. Moyes would be doing a better job with this current team after the ETH era than Amorim.
Moyes had a really strong squad to work with. It was certainly going past it's peak and needed much smarter renovation than it received. But it was infinitely stronger than what Amorim has to work with. And Amorim seems to have very little funding to get new players in. It's insane to say that Amorim has it easier than Moyes, even if expectations are in the toilet.
Every single player in that Moyes squad starts today.
De Gea
Vidic Rio Evans
Valencia Carrick Fletcher Young
Rooney Mata
RVP
That's missing Kagawa, Nani, Chicharito, Evra, Welbeck, Evans, Smalling, Rafael
Incredible how much better we were off on each position. Unbelievable how much crap we bought in the last years
Aside from Bruno, we don't have a single player that gets into that bench.
Completely agree. I’m pretty meh about anything served up this season.
I’ll start to judge next season after the summer transfer window and a preseason.
I don't think he would.
He led champions down to 7th.
Imagine what he'd do with this sorry lot
Quite right.
Moyes' reign of terror is being re-evaluated as some unfortunate blip. It was a complete disaster.
Also, Ole's football is oft confused for some golden era of slick, breakneck speed gloryball. It was also terrible.
I’ve stopped watching for the time being so I think my answer is yes.
There’s a hopelessness to our play that I’ve never witnessed before. In all of our previous shit seasons we’ve always had the benefit from of having young and exciting players who have given us some hope. Under Moyes it was Januzaj, LVG it was Rashford and Martial, under Jose and Ole we had really strong squads and performed pretty well. Under ETH Mainoo and Garnacho were flying.
Right now under Amorim it’s basically just Amad. All the other young players have taken a step back or are struggling to fit the style.
As I said before the hopelessness of it all is what hurts. Our attack is just so poor that I can no longer go into games thinking I’ll be in pleasantly surprised. Despite this we still keep an extra defender on the pitch and it does nothing to improve our defence. I was checked out after seeing Mainoo as a false 9 with two strikers on the bench and 3 attackers loaned out.
There’s a hopelessness to our play that I’ve never witnessed before. In all of our previous shit seasons we’ve always had the benefit from of having young and exciting players who have given us some hope. Under Moyes it was Januzaj, LVG it was Rashford and Martial, under Jose and Ole we had really strong squads and performed pretty well. Under ETH Mainoo and Garnacho were flying.
Right now under Amorim it’s basically just Amad. All the other young players have taken a step back or are struggling to fit the style.
As I said before the hopelessness of it all is what hurts. Our attack is just so poor that I can no longer go into games thinking I’ll be in pleasantly surprised. Despite this we still keep an extra defender on the pitch and it does nothing to improve our defence. I was checked out after seeing Mainoo as a false 9 with two strikers on the bench and 3 attackers loaned out.
We had a premier league winning side under Moyes. So it was never going to be as bad.
I want my tagline percentage to be changed to 100 please.
We played incredibly sketchy football under Fergie 2012-13, basically bailed out by a crazy mentality and RVP. Basically after the City game in 2011-12 he really went full pragmatic.
Moyes = anything less than PL or CL title or at the very worst CL qualification would be considered a big failure. So huge pressure to deliver in his first season - especially straight after the Fergie era. (personally I think the job was too big for him).
Amorim = be better than ETH (he isn't at the moment), finish top half of table maybe. Win the UEL, but it's ok if you don't because you speak well and you haven't got the players. There's almost no pressure on Amorim to deliver at the moment. Unlike Moyes, who had to carry on from where Fergie left off.
Like I said, I don't like Moyes, but in comparison Amorim has it easy.
You're missing Fellaini - who would struggle to get in the current side ha ha.
It's incredible the downward slide from what the standards and expectations were then to what they are now.
Sometimes maybe good
Sporting played some very nice football under Amorim. They were clearly above the league standard though, which allowed freedom of expression and his team rarely went backwards or sideways. Sure, they let in a few goals but with Viktor Gyökeres leading the way, they were always able to rise to the challenge.
This squad does not allow for Amorim to make his mark yet. Given time - and that is the real issue here, he could do very well. My fear is that as is the modern way, the clock starts ticking too loudly, too early. Be positive, be patient. I hate to use them as an example but it took that shower of shite from Anfield a long time to develop into what they are now.
This squad does not allow for Amorim to make his mark yet. Given time - and that is the real issue here, he could do very well. My fear is that as is the modern way, the clock starts ticking too loudly, too early. Be positive, be patient. I hate to use them as an example but it took that shower of shite from Anfield a long time to develop into what they are now.
We only have one midfielder who can keep his foot on the ball and keep things ticking along, and his legs have gone. That will result in mediocre football no matter who the coach is. Having said that, I still think the system being used at the moment is poor and accentuates the flaws of our squad.
He'd start up top, have better hold-up play, and ball control, and be great at set pieces.
It's sad how bad this squad is and how much money was put into assembling it.
He had to challenge for the league
Ruben just has to finish top half of the league
Very very different
You are almost bang on re points. This is Amorim's last 10 PL games versus the worst possible 10 game period in the other scenarios you gave. Caveat with Ole is he was fired so you can se the form was fine until the implosion, before that he'd never been close to where these others are + Mou clearly a level above the others even in the run up to his sacking.
1.LWLLLDWLWL = 10/30
2.DDLLLDWDWL = 10/30
3.LWDLWLLDWL = 11/30
4.LLWDLDDWDL = 10/30
5.WDWWLDDDWL = 16/30
6.WWWLDLLWLL = 13/10
And our attackers must be the worst since we were relegated.
Maybe it'll be in reverse this time! Can only hope.
I'm not sure about that. By name yes but not quite that straightforward.
Rio and Vidic were all but done. Rio soon retired after looking gone at QPR
Vidic had a hard time in Italy. I think De Ligt and Mazraoui are better today than they were at that point.
Fletcher was rarely fit. RvP was back to being injury prone. Rafael peaked the season before in terms of fitness. Was Evans injured a fair amount then as well?
Only Carrick and RvP had really good seasons in Fergie's final year.
It was a better squad than we have now but still needed major work at a time we were still expected to win the biggest prizes.
It's exaggerated how bad LVG's second season was; it's almost become infamous. He won a trophy though.
We were never out of the top six and he was using obscure academy players like Donald Love at times to offset an injury crisis.
I am not going to paint it as being this brilliant season, but it wasn't that bad all things considered.
I still think it was right to move on from him, but he did a decent job and wasn't really backed.
We were never out of the top six and he was using obscure academy players like Donald Love at times to offset an injury crisis.
I am not going to paint it as being this brilliant season, but it wasn't that bad all things considered.
I still think it was right to move on from him, but he did a decent job and wasn't really backed.
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Funny a really well suited side to the 3-4-3