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Is the European super league back? | United Statement: We remain committed to UEFA
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....ok, which club are you referring to there?
Maybe I read too much into your post, apologies
I don’t care about challenging FIFA and UEFA. They are by no means paragons of anything good, but I trust UEFA far more than I trust Perez, Bartomeu, The Juventus people, the glazers etc.
Pretty much this. For all of FIFA/UEFA shortcomings and shadiness, the alternative is a very evident scam by a handful of club owners. Unless you're a fan from one of these clubs, to support it is pretty much cutting your nose to spite your face.
They do that in the US already with other sports so yes!
Trusting UEFA is the same as trusting Middle East country/dictatorships shady interests.
No wonder British celebrate like crazy when takeovers like the one from Newcastle happened. They get angry over footballers choosing to go to Saudi League but stay quiet when attending a World Cup where thousands of workers died, and homosexuals are treated with life imprisonment/death penalty. As long as they put in the money who cares, right?
No wonder British celebrate like crazy when takeovers like the one from Newcastle happened. They get angry over footballers choosing to go to Saudi League but stay quiet when attending a World Cup where thousands of workers died, and homosexuals are treated with life imprisonment/death penalty. As long as they put in the money who cares, right?
Is it back again?
Chelsea could be the only side missing Champions League next year. The super league is de facto here.
Is this why Murtough was in Barca?
The Football Governance Bill going to make it impossible for English clubs to ever join it I think.
Super league was always going to be legal but it looks dead still.
Super league was always going to be legal but it looks dead still.
So no one gives a damn anymore, more money and everybody happy.
I very much doubt they would be able to enforce any ban on English clubs joining
It’s inevitable. Money is more important than fans to these people. Just about how long we can hold it off
No surprises here. It'll go ahead eventually
Nah, it's all talk. Fifa would suspend our national team and clubs from international competition, and would love doing it too. There's no chance parliament will pass anything that would cause that.
Discipline of national associations[edit]
FIFA frequently takes active roles in the running of the sport and developing the game around the world. One of its sanctions is to suspend teams and associated members from international competition when a government interferes in the running of FIFA's associate member organizations or if the associate is not functioning correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA
Nah its coming already and FIFAs remit doesn't include supra national competitions like the super league, only that the government don't interfere with the FA.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/a...or-expected-2024-european-super-league-ruling
In many ways Fifa and UK fans are agreed, neither wants a super league, for their own reasons. But if there is legislation that conflicts with Fifa then Fifa will defend it's control. Fifa has suspended national teams in the past, the UK government needs to be careful what it includes in the bill.
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source - the Madrid zone
Source is Calcio e Finanza, a very reputable italian football finance outlet
Regardless the format of the new UCL is basically ESL anyway
I don’t hate the idea of breaking away from uefa/fifa and their corrupt stranglehold on the global game, but this proposal was a self serving power grab by the European elite and would have been anything but super.
Pretty sure FIFA were involved with the original Super League proposal.
They’re not
They are not or were not?
It's been pretty much confirmed Infantino and FIFA were in talks with the founders of the SL to endorse the league.
In the original Super League contract they referred to an organisation called 'W01'.
They are?
I didn’t see anything about Fifa when looking at it the first time round, the governing body was A22.
Wasn't A22 the company the clubs set up to oversee the league?
Back when the Super League was first announced lots of people speculated that they wouldn't have announced without at least agreement from a governing body that would legitimise the competition.
Otherwise it would have been a hard sell for current and potential new players if playing in the SL meant you might be banned from international football.
Infantino has been accused more than once of being involved. FIFA have been looking to expand the Club World Cup and wrestle control of club football from UEFA.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...erminding-european-super-league-la-liga-chief
Wealthy people owning football clubs is nothing new, indeed your "friends" down the East LancsRoad were literally founded when a landowner tried to increase the rent on the ground he owned, Royal Arsenal were almost bankrupt and using various grounds in South London before Henry Norris invested heavily in them and moved them to North London, Sunderland were known at a timeas the "bank of England" club, and of course more recently Jack Walker invested heavily in Blackburn Rovers.
What has changed is since 1992 and the breakaway premier league, the English game has gone global, with United, Liverpool and Arsenal certainly actively marketing their "brand" overseas.
The increased global appeal, then meant that Instead of Sir John Moore's, John Henry Davies or a Jack Walker type, the money involved brought in the Roman Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour, Gillette and Hicks or the Malcolm Glazers, some believing they can personally profit from the "brand" and others wanting to Increase awareness of themselves or their country.
What is being overlooked, and understandably so people are concerned primarily about their own club, is that FIFA are obligated to look after the game in not only the BIG countries, but also in Laos, Nicaragua etc and UEFA in San Marino and Montenegro or Northern Ireland as well as Spain, England, Germany etc
I doubt you'll find anyone who'll claim that wealthy people owning football clubs is a new thing, or that Walker didn't finance Blackburns league trophy. Or that the world of football wasn't somewhat different a 100 years ago in relation to how club financing worked.
I mean, who are we as Manchester United supporters to be annoyed about the current situation in relation to Manchester City, or Chelsea under Abramovich, when John Davies helped bail us out 120 years ago with a £500 investment. It's essentially the same.
But no, there's obviously the extent of it. I you feel the history of rich club owners in England is comparable to the current gulf sized difference in funding, with multi club setups, and the effect it has on the competitions then by all means. I certainly don't.
Nor have i seen anyone suggest that FIFA aren't obligated to look after the game in their membership countries, nor do i see anyone complaining about it. The complaints towards FIFA and UEFA are related to the gross corruption, so i'm not entirely sure what you're on about
Now Spainish courts have ruled that UEFA and FIFA were wrong to ban clubs from joining the Super League, like I posted previously any attempt to block clubs from joining by the FA and/or the goverment will never hold up in court.
God’s sake. I just wish that it would go away. It would be so fecking boring, playing the same teams week in week out.
But the individual leagues themselves probably could enforce a ban if they chose to do so
Not without leaving themselves vulnerable to law suits for damages…
It's not going anywhere. This verdict just means clubs have a right to break away and create their own league, UEFA and FIFA don't own football. Which is the way it should be. It's a win for football but means nothing for Perez's super league dream. Which is a crap idea and always will be in the current format suggestion, so it will never take off.
Anybody with LinkedIn should check out the chief of A22 sports management's profile for a good laugh. He's a clown based in Madrid working alongside Perez.
Anybody with LinkedIn should check out the chief of A22 sports management's profile for a good laugh. He's a clown based in Madrid working alongside Perez.
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The PL is a private business, it can set it's own rules, there's plenty of legal ways to feck a club without even kicking them out, they can schedule matches at the same time as ESL for example, introduce rules that state the players/team have to be in the country for a set timeframe before a game and so on, I'm not saying this would happen but if they want to the PL could do stuff like this
It is easier for the PL to do this, the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice is limited in the UK. And if the legislators in the UK chose to make it easy for the judiciary to help prevent ESL they can do so freely...
But private business on the other top European leagues is fully subject to European law and as is the current interpretation of the EU competition law, there is very little governing bodies (UEFA and local FAs) can do to maintain their monopoly. This is the reason Italian FA revoked their anti-ESL rule that was designed to exclude clubs from Serie A should they take part in ESL.
Normally you would schedule all games at the start of the season, and the leagues only get to decide through the season which games are to be played on Saturday and Sunday (exceptionally some friday and monday night + 2 or 3 midweek rounds are possible), this doesn't prevent clubs from taking part in the ESL. And it would probably be considered anti-competition law to give clubs/players participating in UEFA competition so much advantage over clubs/players taking part in the ESL.
I don't think the ESL will work, simply because there isn't a big enough market for it (as of now, at least). And that's the main reason the founding clubs aren't doing much to revive it, only 3 clubs seems to believe in it now. Mostly Real & Barça, and to a lesser extent Juventus.
Is next seasons CL not just a Super League by default? If teams play it right, the top leagues will get their top teams baked into the format forever.
So it’ll be league led rather than team led, but fast forward 4 years and the best clubs ran well, will rarely be out of it.
So it’ll be league led rather than team led, but fast forward 4 years and the best clubs ran well, will rarely be out of it.
If the the big 6 wanted to join to ESL.there is absolutely nothing the EPL can do about it and even if they did a threat from the big 6 tgat they will leabe the EPL will force them to change their mind as the EPL would be fecked without the big 6.
It still remains to be seen how UEFA gets its sh*t together with their upcoming elections, the lame-duck Ceferin now walking on thin ice… and yet, the best scenario for all parties is to make the new CL format a success, then a slow transition to a de-facto SuperLeague.