Great post.
His defensive mindset would be tolerable if there was some 'Mourinho' spikiness to it, some vague will to win. Southgate fecking surrenders games like no manager I've ever seen. He almost managed it vs Denmark.
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His defensive mindset would be tolerable if there was some 'Mourinho' spikiness to it, some vague will to win. Southgate fecking surrenders games like no manager I've ever seen. He almost managed it vs Denmark.
@giorno are you seriously trying to convince people that Southgate is some sort of tactical savant because his uber defensive, 5 at the back and two defensive mids gave Italy a tough half hour in the final of the Euros?
This is an Italy side that has failed to qualify for the last two World Cups. It's not Pep's Man City that he outfoxed with a bout of tactical genius here - he's just shut up shop and poxed his way through a tournament with negative, cowards football, only to fall short against a grand but nothing special side who had the balls to have more of a go when it mattered. Exactly the same as when he went out to Croatia in the World Cup.
This is an Italy side that has failed to qualify for the last two World Cups. It's not Pep's Man City that he outfoxed with a bout of tactical genius here - he's just shut up shop and poxed his way through a tournament with negative, cowards football, only to fall short against a grand but nothing special side who had the balls to have more of a go when it mattered. Exactly the same as when he went out to Croatia in the World Cup.
Nah, i'm pointing out people blaming Southgate for single-handedly stopping England from winning are delusional
What's delusional is this idea that a better manager can't navigate big games better than he has.
I thought it was common consensus that Italy played the best football in the last Euros coming off the back a record winning run. They are not Pep's City but they played some of the best international football in recent times.
I genuinely think anyone wanting him to be our manager has to be a closet Liverpool fan.
This man embodies failure and lack of pedigree at club level and we'll be a laughing stock with him in charge.
This man embodies failure and lack of pedigree at club level and we'll be a laughing stock with him in charge.
Everyone pray England get smashed 5-0 today so this rumor dies.
Where did the rumour
It will die if you make 5th and Europe. Otherwise I can see this gaining momentum.
Let Liverpool have him to replace Klopp then.
So wasn’t he Ashworths preferred option for managing the England set up he had created. He just seems like a total Yes man. As a Scotsman having watched England over the years and supporting your opposition for every game it has always felt like he has held England back.
Lets not kid ourselves here, individually you have a quite a team to pick from and yet somehow it seems like they don’t play to the potential.
I would hate for that to be the case at United. He is just so uninspiring it’s unreal.
Lets not kid ourselves here, individually you have a quite a team to pick from and yet somehow it seems like they don’t play to the potential.
I would hate for that to be the case at United. He is just so uninspiring it’s unreal.
I'd be saying the same if the rumours were about Liverpool. And I'd also be trolling.
Fundamentally, he's a coward. He'll never be suitable for a team that should be winning more often than not. He'd be alright for a Fulham type but shouldn't be anywhere near a top-6 club.
The brainwashing has started already. The feeble minds of some folks have convinced them that Southgate isn’t actually that bad if you deep it and now they want to infect as many as possible with the same ideology and rancid logic.
He has done a fairly decent job, but with how well coached the England squad players are at club level, there is a sense that they are wasted with him as the manager.
Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel, Arteta e.tc. the England players have all had positional based coaches, and that is the kind of coach that would get the best out of them. Southgate doesn't have the time, the ability or the coaching staff to implement a functional positional system.
It's a shame, because I believe Pep Guardiola or Mikel Arteta could have done wonders with this team.
Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel, Arteta e.tc. the England players have all had positional based coaches, and that is the kind of coach that would get the best out of them. Southgate doesn't have the time, the ability or the coaching staff to implement a functional positional system.
It's a shame, because I believe Pep Guardiola or Mikel Arteta could have done wonders with this team.
Yes a dull draw against Brazil will be seen as a smart well coached match by a well rounded mgr suited to calm any team and fan base in the PL.
Yeah, sure, and? Who should England hire?
you’ll be begging for him to arrest the decline after klopp.
Would you take Southgate at Liverpool to replace Klopp?
I would revolt if he was even mentioned. I’m convinced England win in spite of his ridiculous stubbornness and conservative play in the really big games. No I’m just taking the p**s. But it will be amusing in the buildup to the summer when he will keep getting mentioned as the next united manager.
Honestly there are dozens of managers who can get this team playing more proactive football. If you want a list you're purposely being obtuse.
as usual, we play shite, uninspiring football, with shite, uninspiring squad picks and lose against anyone in the top 10. yet somehow he’s the right man for the job.
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Imagine this absolute chancer getting the United job. I'm not that worried cause I don't think they're stupid enough to do it.
France stick quality young players like Zaire Emery straight into the team. We keep ours on the bench.
ashworth’s been sitting his garden, stroking pictures of southgate for weeks.
We have an English squad that's well versed in intricate plays and carving sides open at will for their clubs. This Brazil side is capable of the same with some great play in the final third, despite the manager having his squad dispersed more around Europe and south America.
And here we are, seeing 90 minutes of our players effectively going wide and crossing it in the box for pot luck headers, at best.
Its astounding really, how Southgate is held in any positive regard whatsoever.
And here we are, seeing 90 minutes of our players effectively going wide and crossing it in the box for pot luck headers, at best.
Its astounding really, how Southgate is held in any positive regard whatsoever.
He’s far far to tactically naive for top level club football. He failed at Middlesbrough and that’s his only club level experience.
He then did absolutely feck all with England U-21s, in 2015 they finished bottom of their group at the Euros. His final competition before failing upwards to the full national team.
Zero chance he would be a success at any Premier League club let alone one with aspirations for the league.
Hmmmmmmm
For shame. Go back and read @giorno 's 1000 posts in this thread and educate yourself about the master of international football!
Hopefully Liverpool goes after him to replace Klopp
Name them
He’s a Championship level manager at best.
Inert, uninspired, dull football by a team made less than the sum of its parts.
He will fit perfectly here.
He will fit perfectly here.
Stroking something else at the same time as well.
if GS ends up at Utd…feck me. I’d rather Woodward back
Dreadful non attack display
In here its obviously not. Many in here are imagining Italy were an also ru n of a team and Southgate caused England "to sit back" rather than them being forced back by a clearly superior team...
Oh look. Another loss against a top side.
No point. Anyone who actually believes the likes Of Berrada and Ashworth are foolish enough to believe international management immediately translates to club football is delusional.
He'd be such a slow moving disaster. The worst kind. Lasting damage as Ineos refuse to lose face.
The same Italy side literally limped to a second place finish behind Switzerland in the WC qualifiers within four months of that final, and then went on to lose a play-off, at home, to North Macedonia to fail to qualify for the World Cup.
"Clearly superior" my arse.