Is Rashford better than the likes of Saint Maximin?

When Rashford is on his game he's miles better than him. However currently he's nowhere near as good. No idea what's happened to him. Injuries and the England penalty miss may be getting to him.

He just needs taking out of the limelight for a bit. He will be back.
 
Haha! This forum. Last season it was Rashford vs. Mbappe (just as crazy) and now this. Rashford has never been close to Mbappe’s level and ASM has never been close to Rashford’s level.
In a world where football matches were decided by successful dribbles and not goals this would have been an interesting thread. ASM is turning 25 in 2,5 months, he has 26 goals in 223 senior games, is a lazy dribbling specialist and has his best season in his career by far, sitting on 4 goals and 3 assists in 1638 minutes (20 games) this season. An off form Rashford coming back from surgery has 3 goals and 1 assist in 745 minutes and works twice as hard off the ball.
The praising of Adama and ASM fascinates me: Fun to watch, frustrating to play with and no end product. Newcastle is fighting against relegation and plays a dribbling specialist who can’t score up front. They wont stay up.
Adama hasn’t contributed to a single goal this season, and still thinks he can pull off a size XS kit and oil up his biceps….
 
troylocker said:
Haha! This forum. Last season it was Rashford vs. Mbappe (just as crazy) and now this. Rashford has never been close to Mbappe’s level and ASM has never been close to Rashford’s level.
In a world where football matches were decided by successful dribbles and not goals this would have been an interesting thread. ASM is turning 25 in 2,5 months, he has 26 goals in 223 senior games, is a lazy dribbling specialist and has his best season in his career by far, sitting on 4 goals and 3 assists in 1638 minutes (20 games) this season. An off form Rashford coming back from surgery has 3 goals and 1 assist in 745 minutes and works twice as hard off the ball.
The praising of Adama and ASM fascinates me: Fun to watch, frustrating to play with and no end product. Newcastle is fighting against relegation and plays a dribbling specialist who can’t score up front. They wont stay up.
Adama hasn’t contributed to a single goal this season, and still thinks he can pull off a size XS kit and oil up his biceps….
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How is his goal output related to his decision to wear tighter fitting kit and oil up his biceps?
 
Foxbatt said:
SM at his best is a better player than Rashford. Both are inconsistent. SM is much stronger and has better skills.
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Rashford can only dream to do what SM do with the ball. What Rashford can do with the ball SM can do with an orange. This does not include finishing and shooting but seeing Rashford form nowadays they are not that far apart.
 
troylocker said:
Haha! This forum. Last season it was Rashford vs. Mbappe (just as crazy) and now this. Rashford has never been close to Mbappe’s level and ASM has never been close to Rashford’s level.
In a world where football matches were decided by successful dribbles and not goals this would have been an interesting thread. ASM is turning 25 in 2,5 months, he has 26 goals in 223 senior games, is a lazy dribbling specialist and has his best season in his career by far, sitting on 4 goals and 3 assists in 1638 minutes (20 games) this season. An off form Rashford coming back from surgery has 3 goals and 1 assist in 745 minutes and works twice as hard off the ball.
The praising of Adama and ASM fascinates me: Fun to watch, frustrating to play with and no end product. Newcastle is fighting against relegation and plays a dribbling specialist who can’t score up front. They wont stay up.
Adama hasn’t contributed to a single goal this season, and still thinks he can pull off a size XS kit and oil up his biceps….
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Good post, sums up the threads on caf. Either players are best or shit and championship level.
 
Swearing Budgie said:
Rashford has been cack for a year. Is that a blip in form?
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For me it is. Because he has come back in a period where not a single player except De Gea is on form.

People are just expecting Rashford to perform by himself when everyone is getting blamed at for being cack.
 
I don't know about comparing him to ASM but the truth is Rashford has been poor for a long time now but seems to be undroppable, regardless of performance.
If I am honest, one of the most disappointing things about Rangnick so far is that he hasn't seemed to pick players on form rather than reputation or status.
 
ASM is just as frustrating but certainly a very very good player himself, Traore is a pace merchant, and Neto and Bowen are also good players themselves. Rashford is frustrating as feck but more talented than all of them and on his day, better.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
One is a full time footballer and the other is Rashford The Great. Newcastle is Rashys’ level.
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You spell him wrong pleb peasant. Put some respect on Sir Rashford MBE name. :lol: Seriously he could do all the extracurricular stuff after he retire. If he wanted to focus on that he should retire as footballer now.
 
I don't even like Saint-Maximin that much as I feel he's a circus act without any end product. However, If I need my wide/attacking players to beat opposition players via a dribble (like Rashford is supposed to do) then I would definitely take Saint-Maximin over Rashford. I mean they'll both do feck all once they've beaten the defender but at least we can to see a wide player actually beat the defender.
 
Rashford is on a whole other level. One good match against us and this thread is made? FFS
 
Rashford was, at a time, head and shoulders above almost every player of his age in his position but he’s spent the majority of his career under pragmatic counter attacking managers and so that’s all his game developed into; playing on the shoulder and being a kick and rush attacker, he doesn’t even really take players on anymore and has lost some pace. He looks unfit, he looks fed up and I worry about him as a regular starter long term.

Hoepfully Greenwood sees him and it gives him a kick up the arse because his attitude/work rate seems to have plummeted.
 
Rashford even in his current form would do better for Newcastle than ASM.

Question is whether Rashford is capable of being more than just a counter attacking player. To be a big player at a top club he'll need to evolve his game, it's odd that we've seen so little progress.
 
Pirlo'sBeard said:
It's nothing to do with consistency. He's been terrible for a very long time. He's just not an elite level player, yet he'll still start most games ahead of Sancho and Mason.
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Then of course it has to do with consistency if he's been terrible for a long time. He has talent and has games in the past where he's united level, he just doesn't do it regularly to make him elite level. My point was without consistency than he's not good enough, no player at united is good enough if they're not consistent. That's the standards.
 
Sadly enough, he will not fulfill his potential.
We should look to cash in now, for the good of the club but also to awake Rashford.
 
He is turning into Welbeck, which I am extremely disappointed to see. Although he did look decent when he was moved into the #10 role against Newcastle.
 
Green_Red said:
He is turning into Welbeck, which I am extremely disappointed to see. Although he did look decent when he was moved into the #10 role against Newcastle.
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Simply chalk and cheese. Rashford is levels above, which is why he's scored quite a few more goals by 24, than Welbeck has at 31. For worse United teams too.
He's in a major slump though, and the injury excuse is wearing thin now though.
 
Smores said:
Rashford even in his current form would do better for Newcastle than ASM.

Question is whether Rashford is capable of being more than just a counter attacking player. To be a big player at a top club he'll need to evolve his game, it's odd that we've seen so little progress.
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he’s barely outperformed him in 2021, and only one of them is playing for a relegation candidate
 
Who at United is on form :lol:

Then some fans point and pick at Rashford for being shit!
 
Nah, he’s really not up to it. Sancho is clearly much better, feck I’d even rate Lingard in terms of what he can consistently contribute to games.

It baffles me that someone can work so hard all their life to make a career in football, never mind a top club, and turn out to be so half arsed and have a bad attitude. I think we’d be better off selling him, giving a lot more game time to Sancho and Greenwood and finally admitting he’s pretty average.
 
No but really don't rate Rashford. However it's not guaranteed that players who star for lower league sides could hack it at United. I suspect that if Rashford went to Newcastle he'd look decent too.
 
Bebestation said:
Who at United is on form :lol:

Then some fans point and pick at Rashford for being shit!
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I have noticed this a couple of times now but why do you keep deflecting when players are criticised. Everyone being shit does not excuse rashford's performances. In other poor players threads same questions are being asked. It's not like rashford is a scapegoat for everyone. Also the players we expect most from (due to cost or potential) will get it the worst.
 
Redlyn said:
I have noticed this a couple of times now but why do you keep deflecting when players are criticised. Everyone being shit does not excuse rashford's performances. In other poor players threads same questions are being asked. It's not like rashford is a scapegoat for everyone. Also the players we expect most from (due to cost or potential) will get it the worst.
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Because Rashford came back from an injury and has come back to a team where not a single player is on form in the PL.

Some are saying he should be sold. Some are saying he was always like this; because he was shit during his injury and shit after his injury - during a time where only De Gea is playing to an acceptable level anyway.

I've said this for Maguire, Bruno, Greenwood even the new Sancho who is struggling to perform. You can't blame them when everyone is shit.
 
When he was playing well he was many, many levels better than anything either of them ever have or likely ever will produce.
 
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I genuinely think Dan James would have suited Rangnick more than this current iteration of Rashford.
 
golden_blunder said:
On reputation only at the moment. He has to start producing or sit on the bench
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True about the bench, but don't pretend ASM is anything more than a faster and bulkier AWB without the tackling.

Truth be told, it was a lucky goal. The missing sitter is a better reflection on ASM.
 
Nicolarra90 said:
True about the bench, but don't pretend ASM is anything more than a faster and bulkier AWB without the tackling.

Truth be told, it was a lucky goal. The missing sitter is a better reflection on ASM.
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In fairness ASM is more than capable. He reminds me a bit of mane when he was at Liverpool
 
Sandikan said:
Simply chalk and cheese. Rashford is levels above, which is why he's scored quite a few more goals by 24, than Welbeck has at 31. For worse United teams too.
He's in a major slump though, and the injury excuse is wearing thin now though.
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He isn't there yet but his decline is undeniable. Wherever his head is he needs to get back to football being the focus or he will be another academy what could have been.
 
golden_blunder said:
In fairness ASM is more than capable. He reminds me a bit of mane when he was at Liverpool
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I don't see it. He seems to me like a rugbier, like Adama. Looks really clumsy with his feet.
Maybe If he calmed down and stopped acting like a headless chicken could improve his general level.
Rashford may not have the best technique, but he's not clumsy.
 
Saint Maximin just seems like utter chaos to me. He's a difficult player to judge. I don't know if he's really good or he's just having a moment. Watching him play he doesn't seem that great technically. He's probably a handful to deal with because I don't even think he knows what he's going to do next, never mind the opposition player. His running and dribbling just seem chaotic.

As for the question, Rashford is obviously bang out of form and should be dropped but I think he's the better player, yeah.
 
Bebestation said:
Because Rashford came back from an injury and has come back to a team where not a single player is on form in the PL.

Some are saying he should be sold. Some are saying he was always like this; because he was shit during his injury and shit after his injury - during a time where only De Gea is playing to an acceptable level anyway.

I've said this for Maguire, Bruno, Greenwood even the new Sancho who is struggling to perform. You can't blame them when everyone is shit.
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team playing bad will mean he does not get the ball in good positions often enough or get chances to score. But team playing badly does not account for not being able to make simple passes or dribbling without looking up or not being asked to track back or make better decisions.
 
I remember getting panned three years ago on this forum for saying it was ridiculous to suggest Rashford was on Mbappe's level

Then two years ago, I was getting panned for saying it was ridiculous to suggest Rashford was on the Rooney/Ronaldo trajectory at the same age

Then last year, I was panned for suggesting Rashford wasn't an elite player, with all the usual posters coming out en-masse to blame injuries, poor coaching, being played out of position etc...

Now there's a thread open comparing him to mediocre players in the division and most agree that's been about his level for a long time now.

It's refreshing. I compared it to "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome for many years. It seems like the "Emperor" is now finally "in the altogether" and the unpopular opinion is to state that he should be starting.

Why am I gloating? Well, first of all, I wouldn't take pleasure in being right (again) if it wasn't for the dogs abuse I got off the NuFootball/FIFA crowd.

Secondly, it's part of where we go wrong at United. We refuse to see the deficiencies until it's too late. I have seen it happen so many times down the years. We cling on to excuses about being played out of position, bad coaching/management, playing with injuries, teammates not on same level etc....usually the simplest explanation is correct...if a player turns in average performances over and over again, likelihood is, that is probably their true level!

Anyway...I'm not saying Rashford is useless. He isn't. We can still turn him into a direct, aggressive, goalscoring forward...but not if he can't drop the attitude/ego and go back to the real basics, the basics that saw him show his best ever form for United in the first 6-months of his professional career. No more flicks, no more showboating, no more constantly stopping and squaring up defenders, no more walking about the pitch, no more throwing his arms around. Needs a good spell out the team and then one last chance to reset and earn his place in the side
 
Kaos said:
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I genuinely think Dan James would have suited Rangnick more than this current iteration of Rashford.
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I said this least season. I Wish James had just been given Rashfords place for the second half of last season. He deserved it on work rate alone. I think we’d be seeing a different and much hungrier Rashford this season. He’s never had a genuine challenge for his place and he’s been playing like someone who hates the game for a very long time now. Get the ball lose it and do nothing about it on repeat. It’s far from good enough.
 
Bebestation said:
Not a single wide player has been good enough for us since we signed Ronaldo.

Ronaldo as a Striker doesn't make sense with players who are inverted forwards that are more likely to score a goal than set up a chance.

Benzema & Rooney was doing the work centrally to set him up when Ronaldo was a LW in his prime - why would Ronaldo as a central striker work with inverted forwards that are not very creative?

This is why Cavani is better than Rashford and Greenwood in a partnership to Ronaldo. Cavani is more similar to Rooney and Benzema than Greenwood and Rashford.
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You are getting very tiresome with your Ronaldo tripe. Not sure if you are obsessed with him or just looking for attention but there's no reason to be bringing him up as much as you do in threads that aren't about him.
 
Bebestation said:
For me it is. Because he has come back in a period where not a single player except De Gea is on form.

People are just expecting Rashford to perform by himself when everyone is getting blamed at for being cack.
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That doesnt make sense. So if everyones off form then Rashford has to play off form, but then you say De Gea is on form, so why cant Rashford play on form, even if the others dont? The truth is he hasnt performed well for ages, regardless of whether others have played well or not. Its on himself and the coaches to improve his form.
 
mewnew11 said:
Rash and lingard have a level of their own.

I can't believe people say he is good on the left when we have had legends like Giggs play there.

Rash is not a winger or a striker. He is another one of this I can do a bit of everything but good at nothing footballers who constantly fail. I would seriously take maximan ahead of rash
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that’s a bit harsh mate
 
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