Is Pep the greatest manager of all time?

Cascarino said:
I think you’re being very unfair there, Amadeus also mentioned his achievements at Southampton and PSG that you conveniently left out!




Although I do have to point out, that Poch got an 8th place finish at Southampton, which while genuinely impressive, Koeman
finished 6th and 7th in the next two seasons, and widely lambasted for his time there Puel finished 8th the season after Koeman.

And getting to the semi finals with PSG was a good achievement, but the season before Tuchel also won all the domestic cups, won the league, and got to the finals of the Champions league.

I’m sorry Amadeus you’re an entertaining poster and I respect that you’re willing to go against the grain, but you made this post too easy.
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There is little context to what you said. The southampton side of 13/14 were entertainers and giant killers. Before Pochettino, Southampton has never finished that high in the premier league era. What Pochettino did was build the foundation and structure for Southampton to be a top team, which is what result in koeman having the season he had.

Football in England changed with that Southampton team of 2013-14, there is no other team that had as big an impact in changing the mindset than the team he created then. Not only was the high octane pressing and first coaching staff who started to teach exercises to bring the ball out from the back, his Southampton side revolutionized English football. It was the starting point to the era that saw Liverpool and Manchester city become so successful.

With regards to psg, which other manager got to the finals? Pochettino was more handicapped as the club he had was less balanced than his predecessor that is why Leonardo got sacked and why galtier who was a good manager couldn't even last one season there because of how uncoachable that team was. Poch made those accomplishments with a team that many other managers would fail to manage.
 
dal said:
Klopp won one league, Ranieri did this also with a much inferior team. Saying Pep has no chance, a manager who has won five leagues is embarrassing.
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he joins teams who have all recently won their domestic league, i.e. already winning teams. Its not exactly revolutionary. Liverpool had not won the title for 3 decades.
 
mandroid said:
Of all managers in Europoean football talked about with high regard, I have watched teams managed by SAF, Klopp, Mourinho, Pep, Ancelotti, Enrique or even Rijkard. Pep's teams have been best by far. Playing style, pressing, passing, domination, scoring threats and chances created...his teams outperform others on all parameters. Klopp comes second, for the energy his teams display. Mourinho is worst of all. I am not sure if he even deserves to be put along these other great managers.
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yet he has gone 12 years without a European trophy and Jose has done it with 3 different teams. Its not about how you look the aim is to win the trophy by any means
 
Stacks said:
he joins teams who have all recently won their domestic league, i.e. already winning teams. Its not exactly revolutionary. Liverpool had not won the title for 3 decades.
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Yes, winning two trebles is child's play.
 
Thinking about this. Technically he's not really a manager. He's more of a head coach, as his roles have been as head coach due to the club structures. He has all day to think only about the football team and doesn't have to deal with all the traditional stuff that Fergie or Shankly etc would have been doing.

Man City announce Guardiola will be new head coach

https://www.premierleague.com/news/60169
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Pep Guardiola confirmed as Bayern Munich coach on three-year deal

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jan/16/pep-guardiola-bayern-munich-coach


https://fcbayern.com/en/club/history/coaches
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The best Barça in the Club's history was overseen by coach Josep Guardiola between 2008 and 2012. The Catalan coach from the town of Santpedor holds the record for most trophies won with 14 in his four years as FC Barcelona boss.

https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/guardiolas-barcelona
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dal said:
Yes, winning two trebles is child's play.
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Must be if he couldn't do it at Bayern, two coaches before and after him did at Bayern what he failed to do.
 
Treble-winner(again), this one was as dull as they come, but he did it.
 
Think he half-bottled that tonight... but got away with it. But put yourself in the position enough times and you'll do it.
 
Two trebles with two different clubs is a hell of a thing to have on your CV.
 
This baald fraud got outmanaged by Inzaghi today. He's like a guy who only plays FIFA as Brazil against New Zealand yet people really think he is some kind of mastermind.
 
Inzaghi did better today all things considered. Pep had a small country's entire GDP to build a team of football and he only won because of Lukaku refusing to score.
 
3 Champions Leagues
11 leagues (3-peated in each league he coached in)
4 domestic cups
A domestic treble

The only manager with multiple trebles.
 
Cheque book manager.

Good one still though.
 
Andrade said:
With a few exceptions, this is speculation presented as fact. Very little you have presented has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt or even on the balance of probabilities.

Probably best to judge just by what he won and how his teams played. On that basis, there are a few managers that could be considered to be better at this stage, Fergie being chief among them.
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All claims are supported by objective evidence.
 
Ladron de redcafe said:
I'm sure he'll shed a tear about it, while he celebrates his success.
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He doesn't care. He is a known cheating scumbag even from his playing days, getting off on technicalities, makes him perfect for City. It's for us to consider and hold against him when people say he's the greatest. He's only successful at clubs that are corrupt
 
Guardiola and Mourinho have destroyed the game. It was all a whole bunch of systemic, generic, mundane passing. I miss players like Cantona man. International football has become more entertaining.
 
No. He hasn't shown an ability to build teams without unlimited cash. No real adjustments needed when he just buys who fits in his system.

All that being said, he's probably perfected football to a level that hasn't been achieved by anyone else.
 
tenpoless said:
Inzaghi did better today all things considered. Pep had a small country's entire GDP to build a team of football and he only won because of Lukaku refusing to score.
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Shows you that money is not everything. They could easily have lost the FA cup as well
 
Scarlett Dracarys said:
And what point is that? It matter to us because we play in the same leagues and any normal fan will be upset when a rival wins.
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Non united fans trolling on this forum should be banned imo.
 
Hard to argue against it. My United bias will always prefer SAF because he was the perfect man for United. Pep was the perfect Barca coach and in an odd way, I'd think more of him versus SAF if he stayed there and dominated La Liga for longer like SAF did.

The whole Pep at City just feels fabricated, like some Ted Lasso, TV show type thing. And at Bayern I feel like any decent manager could have won everything he won there with them.

In short, up there at the top. Between him and SAF for me.

Hope he f**k's off now.
 
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