Fergie did it consistently for 8 years at Aberdeen though.
Ranieri got fired the next year.
Is Pep the greatest manager of all time?
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Fergie did it consistently for 8 years at Aberdeen though.
Ranieri got fired the next year.
This Aberdeen story is so overrated.
Those European Cup you're talking about, teams like Dinamo Tbilisi, Carl Zeiss Jena, Standard Liege, Rapid Wien, Fortuna Dusseldorf, Austria Wien, Goteborg, Dundee United, Videoton etc. were playing finals during that period. That's not to say Aberdeen's win is not impressive, but it's very common to see similar teams at the finals.
We even had teams like Steaua, Red Star winning UCL those years (in fact Steaua played two UCL finals in a span of 3-4 years).
As if that Real is the same Real we had in the 2000s.
He's still the only manager of a top-team in the UCL history facing Real 3 times in the UCL knockouts, losing all three. You'd expect if he did it with Aberdeen, he should have definitely done at United against Real.
Any knockout competition competition throws such odd results
Edin Terzic who many on this forum don't know of is 90mins away from winning the CL
I am waiting for how Terzic will suddenly become the greatest manager of all time for winning the CL with an underdog like DiMatteo or Avram Grant without a coaching badge was a Terry kick from winning
Heynckes and Flick are greater Bayern Managers than Pep.
He is one of the GOATS.
Well yeah see Nani's disgraceful red card in 2013.
Fergie at Aberdeen. Still the last team outside the Old Firm to win the league. Decades ago. Almost 40 years.
Factually correct and it's not even close between them.
Cricket. I'm in the UK.
The only mention of City is in the live reporting page. Even Klopp has his own article.
Aberdeen competed with 2 big teams, Leicester competed with how many big teams?
Spurs and maybe Arsenal were the only real challengers which says it all. The rest of the big teams had an off year.
And again it's not nearly the same. Aberdeen won multiple league titles, domestic cups and a European trophy over a number of seasons. Leicester only did it in one freak season.
Still the last team to beat Madrid in a European final too… A top league and cup manager. Longevity is such an underrated measuring stick when it comes to these discussions/debates too.
I’m sure there are other examples out there that put your claim in and amongst the best achievements rather than the top. What Ranieri did deserves to be highly rated.
You’ve just got to take a look at this season for a ridiculous managerial achievement! Not too far from your club either
Great manager but there is that elephant in the room we all waiting for to be dealt with.
Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Man Utd City Spurs at least 12 teams are bigger than Leicester
Ranieri took them from the brink of relegation to a title
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Which is a great achievement nobody is denying that but he didn't have sustained success there like SAF did at Aberdeen so I'm not sure why you keep pretending like they are similar.
Leicester didn't compete with those teams that year. Unless we're just naming big clubs now? Or are we adding the two in terms of competing and big teams?
Also Ranieri didn't take them from the brink of relegation. Their form when they survived was amazing and it continued when ranieri took over so credit to him. But bizarre to make these statements like this
Way, way, way, way too much controversy for him to ever be considered the greatest.
Lots of managers have achieved far greater feats with far fewer resources with none of the controversy.
By the time we know the full story, I don’t think his legacy will be favorable.
Lots of managers have achieved far greater feats with far fewer resources with none of the controversy.
By the time we know the full story, I don’t think his legacy will be favorable.
Is this really going to make that much of a difference in the long run? It's not like people who think City have cheated and Pep is tarred will all of a sudden change tune if they are found not guilty. It's just a part of his story regardless of what happens "officially" and people will make judgments as they see fit. Like great Juventus players and managers and even someone like Maradona, this stuff tends to fade over time.
they’re going to get feck all near what they deserve. We all know it.
Like Maradona?
It would have been great to see how Fergy would have faired against him in the league. It is forgotten now but when Jose first came he really took the league to another level. I remember thinking back then that we were not going to win another title for a long long time.
And that's a massive feat. SAF is one of the all time greats, and maybe even the greatest. But Pep is a shout too, and a very legimate one
In terms of sporting controversy, it’s not even comparable!
He would have been as financially disadvantaged as anyone else, but he did have a habit of making teams greater than the sum of its parts.
The sums of money we have spent in the last decade, give that to Fergy and we would have put up a real challenge to Pep.
Our financial disadvantage has been in the utilisation of funds, we have spent enough to have a better squad than we do.
No. 115 Manager should be put to shame. Cheating much be punished severely. This is Lance Armstrong of football.
If he has achieved that with a proper club then he is one of the GOAT.
If he has achieved that with a proper club then he is one of the GOAT.
No, Doing it for 26 years without financial doping. Guardiola left Barcelona as soon as pressure got better of him. Similar at Bayern.
Guardiola is best of this generation, but not better than Fergie.
Guardiola is best of this generation, but not better than Fergie.
True. And Flick is a terrible manager. Still he delivered the greatest run of form any team has ever had and won everything possible. Even more impressive in style than Pep's Barca.
Well, no it hasn’t. We haven’t spent money very well, but we have nowhere near as much resource as an oil-rich state.
Mourinho was better.
What manager has had all the resources and quality players pep has had his entire career ? What has he done that he shouldn’t have done with the resources at his disposal ?
Ancelotti for one
Ancelotti started off at Reggiana and worked his way up
Yes some of it was.
Was answering the first question. Ancelotti has had all the resources and quality players Guardiola has had, if not more. What did Ancelotti do at Reggiana that was "exceptional"?
Those saying fergie had a big financial advantage compared to others don't see the bigger picture as I think even before Chelsea came along we were outspent by the likes of Blackburn, Newcastle and even Liverpool , had we been able to capitalise on our so called advantage we might have been able to get the likes of shearer, batistuta and others and considering how razor thin the race for some of those titles were god knows how many more titles we may have ended up with, not to mention how when we sold Ronaldo for a record fee we never bought a suitable replacement and ended up losing two league titles by the way of a single point and goal difference.
I find it very difficult to compare managers from 90s and earlier to more recent ones. The club structures and support network around a modern manager (especially from late 00s) is just vastly larger. The access and advice related to data analysis simply can't be compared.