Not even a fool would think that. Indeed, they weren’t shite, but already great players.
And thanks to Guardiola they became some of the best ever players in their position in the entire football history. Wouldn't have achieved that without Pep.
Not even a fool would think that. Indeed, they weren’t shite, but already great players.
Fergie could be a lot less gentleman like on this occasion.
If only Fergie had the knowledge of caf experts regarding Pep's credentials
Fergie knows he is a bald-fraud. He´s just being nice.
Edit: found out typing "Pep Guardiola is my idol" automatically translates to "Pep Guardiola is my idol".
FFS
Was Andres Iniesta considered world class when Pep took over in 2008?
Tbf Fergie was rarely bitter about any manager/rival even in his active days. Neither did he have any complexes about anything. Unlike Jose, Benitez, and a few others he also didn’t copy paste his CV and trophy count every time someone questioned him in a press conference. He loved mind games, etc. but had no issues acknowledging other teams‘ achievements.If only Fergie had the knowledge of caf experts regarding Pep's credentials
Wenger, prime mou, prime Benitez, ancelloti , Mancini etc all of which he faced during the latter part of his career and most of whom enjoyed greater financial advantages.It is not the victories that make him great, it is the way he coaches. And transforms average players into much better players, again and again. His understanding of when to let players go (Sane, Cancelo etc) when others would not.
The way he challenges himself every season to do it differently, changing formations etc - I mean Stones in midfield WTF? I used to recall how bad he was, at centre half. No one talks about that now.
He is the modern day SAF, on steroids. SAF operated in a different era, apart from Wenger he did not really have that much of a competition, no one else was close to his level. And we were far more dominant financially as well. Jose came to the league towards the end of course.
Pep has had Klopp, Ten Hag, Tuchel, Poch, De Zerbi just to name a few. And he is operating in an era where it is more competitive, the players are fitter, more skilful, the skill gap between players in different clubs is smaller, tactical scrutiny is high with all the online analysis/media etc.
As unpalatable as that sounds, I think he is the greatest. Just.
Tbf Fergie was rarely bitter about any manager/rival even in his active days. Neither did he have any complexes about anything. Unlike Jose, Benitez, and a few others he also didn’t copy paste his CV and trophy count every time someone questioned him in a press conference. He loved mind games, etc. but had no issues acknowledging other teams‘ achievements.
I also remember while 99% of United fans were having a meltdown of epic proportions after that night in Istanbul, he actually wrote a message to Benitez congratulating him on his tactical changes at half-time.
He even included Poch and De Zerbi. Then you could as well include so many others, especially the likes of Keegan and Houllier (the latter actually won a few trophies with Liverpool).Wenger, prime mou, prime Benitez, ancelloti , Mancini etc all of which he faced during the latter part of his career and most of whom enjoyed greater financial advantages.
It's surely a better line up pf foes than pep's mou, klopp, conte and.... arteta.
Tbf Fergie was rarely bitter about any manager/rival even in his active days. Neither did he have any complexes about anything. Unlike Jose, Benitez, and a few others he also didn’t copy paste his CV and trophy count every time someone questioned him in a press conference. He loved mind games, etc. but had no issues acknowledging other teams‘ achievements.
I also remember while 99% of United fans were having a meltdown of epic proportions after that night in Istanbul, he actually wrote a message to Benitez congratulating him on his tactical changes at half-time.
He wasn't being that gracious towards Fergie when he bragged about destroying us in the CL finals, the bald cnut. Great manager though, certainly the greatest innovator the game has seen. He's pretty much invented the false nine and false full-back positions hasn't he?
Nope, it's been around for much longer.Cryuff and Michels invented the false nr. 9 o think.
Hungary's Hidegkuti was the most prominent early example I can think of, back in the 50s and the reason why it was called a miracle that Germany won the 1954 World Cup, as no one had figured out how to stop him and his team.Nope, it's been around for much longer.
Nope, it's been around for much longer.
For me Pep is the best, city are incredible we have to admit that. Never have I seen a united team this good. 99 was brilliant but if Pep does this it eclipses what we achieved.
Yeah, with Hidegkuti as a false 9 and it confused the heck out of the English. Also Austria used it with Sindelar in the 1930's apparently.Didn't the Magyars play that system against England in the early 1950s?
There's not one industry on the planet where people would voluntarily demote themselves, it's utterly bizzare this fetish for Pep to do it to "prove himself".No, hes made a career out of having the very best of talent available to him. He's never dont it with a bunch of nobodies. Dudes spent billions, 500 million on defenders alone. Let's see how good is with Aberdeen and then we can call him the greatest of all time.
I tried to not get as low as that considering houlier was never really in a title fight with us and keegan didn't achieve much in Europe but yeah the concept that pep has had it tough domestically is ridiculous, his only legit title races where everyone didn't roll over and to be fair he should get credit for were his first against mou and 2019/2022 against klopp and that's pretty much it.He even included Poch and De Zerbi. Then you could as well include so many others, especially the likes of Keegan and Houllier (the latter actually won a few trophies with Liverpool).
It’s obvious why it’s brought up all the time around here, though. It’s doubly curious as Pep began his career at Barca B. He actually did what many are demanding he do. If you ace your apprenticeship, get promoted within that company and then have the most successful first year of anyone in your role in the history of your industry… you don’t look for second apprenticeship.There's not one industry on the planet where people would voluntarily demote themselves, it's utterly bizzare this fetish for Pep to do it to "prove himself".
It’s obvious why it’s brought up all the time around here, though. It’s doubly curious as Pep began his career at Barca B. He actually did what many are demanding he do. If you ace your apprenticeship, get promoted within that company and then have the most successful first year of anyone in your role in the history of your industry… you don’t look for second apprenticeship.
I’d actually say that doing so would be shirking a challenge. Like Mourinho said, the easiest thing for him to do would have been to bask in the glory of his CL win at Porto for a few years. He would have been treated like a king. Or, in terms of importance, “after God, me”, to quote the man himself.
It’s obvious why it’s brought up all the time around here, though. It’s doubly curious as Pep began his career at Barca B. He actually did what many are demanding he do. If you ace your apprenticeship, get promoted within that company and then have the most successful first year of anyone in your role in the history of your industry… you don’t look for second apprenticeship.
I’d actually say that doing so would be shirking a challenge. Like Mourinho said, the easiest thing for him to do would have been to bask in the glory of his CL win at Porto for a few years. He would have been treated like a king. Or, in terms of importance, “after God, me”, to quote the man himself.
There's not one industry on the planet where people would voluntarily demote themselves, it's utterly bizzare this fetish for Pep to do it to "prove himself".
Because he played the way he wants to play on a shit grounds against a shit opponents with an average team..and guess what he still finished first hahaHow is playing against other shit teams the same as taking Aberdeen to win the league against Rangers and Celtic, the two top teams in Scotland and beating Bayern and Real Madrid to win the cup winners cup?
Theres the problem right there. You see it as a demotion instead of a challenge.
He wasn't being that gracious towards Fergie when he bragged about destroying us in the CL finals, the bald cnut. Great manager though, certainly the greatest innovator the game has seen. He's pretty much invented the false nine and false full-back positions hasn't he?
I think it’s undeniable at this point. What he’s won, the leagues he’s done it in, taking City to the treble from a club that has no winning mentality or culture of winning is impressive. Second career treble for him also.
Fergie was an absolute beast but he never won enough CL’s to be considered the greatest ever.
He was already on his way iirc. Team of the tournament at Euro 2008 playing every game for Spain alongside Xavi already.
Like I said, how many in any industry would do it? And the ironic thing is if he did do the overachieve with lesser resources he'd have got mocked for not winning anything, ala Pochettino at Spurs.Theres the problem right there. You see it as a demotion instead of a challenge.
Could you please name examples of players or managers who voluntarily took a challenge similar to what you're suggesting? I mean from a position where they can have their pick.Theres the problem right there. You see it as a demotion instead of a challenge.
Nagelsmann turning down Madrid and going to Leipzig instead.Could you please name examples of players or managers who voluntarily took a challenge similar to what you're suggesting? I mean from a position where they can have their pick.