well if you think the table is all that matters then obviously you're not going to be happy that he's blooding manchester youth. Some fans like to see young players but if it's all about results then we can get mourinho and win games 1-0 and comes 2nd and you'll be happier
Is LVG the best coach at developing youth players in recent times?
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My point is that LVG can't possibly have foreseen the injuries we've had, so playing the youth was not in his plan.
He did say he wanted a small squad because he would count and promote youth if injuries would pile up. His is to his credit.
Leaving 6 open spots in the 25 man squad says otherwise.
you can't argue with these guys. He actually said it clear and day and people are arguing he didn't mean it. Madness.
He's also said that he's never known this number of injuries occur in one season.
Then why did he say he kept the squad small because when we have injuries we take players from the youth education?
Every manager knows they will have injuries, to prepare for this in advance you do something. Most managers buy squad players for this whereas Louis van Gaal keeps a small squad and looks to make use of the academy.
There comes a point when a manager does this everywhere he goes you have to just accept the integration between the youth team and first team is part of his plan.
And if it means he has loads of injuries then it just means he uses more players from the youth team but otherwise the best of the young bunch get their chance.
Playing youth is actually a good way of developing them in my opinion.
Its certainly the most important thing by a country mile. It would be completely fatuous to have a like United floundering in mid table obscurity just to "give youth a chance", while the likes of Leicester and Spurs help themselves to league trophies.
that's fair enough. I don't think it's necessarily guaranteed floundering in mid table. Spurs, Arsenal, Barcelona and Man United are all examples of sides that have done well using youth in the last few years. I guess we will see who is correct.
Well if it was planned, it's been worth it just to unearth this gem of a lad, Rashford!
Laughable that they won't give an ounce credit to LvG for these young players getting chances. From november;
This is the way I lead this club. I don’t want a big selection because when you have a big selection it doesn’t give any chance to the young players," he said.
“That is why I have sold a lot of players and have a lot out on loan. It means we only have a squad of 21 outfield players and three goalkeepers.
“So when there are injuries and illnesses I have to look at the youth allocation with my youth coaches Warren Joyce and Paul McGuinness."
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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ayers-Axel-Tuanzebe-Cameron-Borthwick-Jackson
"yeah he said those quotes but really he thought that we wouldn't get injuries and that he wouldn't have to play kids, he hates playing kids. The same thing at previous clubs with Xavi, Iniesta, Muller, Alaba etc etc"
I think the era of youth players is over - mainly due to the emergence of Billionaire owners who can buy success pretty instantly (City, PSG, Chelsea to compliment Barca and Madrid). This will force most other big clubs to abandon youth and go for bigger name outside transfers just to compete with the sugardaddy clubs.
That is plausible but plenty of things that make sense in the same way don't turn out to be true. Worth noting that everyone said similar things about fergies young team. It is always said that 'this time is different' but it is hard to predict
My point is that we are now in a different era that began when Abramovich took over Chelsea and was reinforced when the oil money took over City and PSG and has been further reinforced by the consolidation of power between Barca and Madrid in La Liga. Clubs that want to compete in this new era are incentivized to buy players rather than groom them; which doesn't bode well for clubs who are used to bringing local kids through.
There's more money then there is top players in the game today. It's not down to who can pay but more down to who can secure the signatute of that top player.
I think all clubs will continue searching for that player in their ranks, it's just that less youth players will get the chance.
LVG the messiah!
Imagine him gifting us the FA Cup and the Europa League with these youngsters, just imagine!
Imagine him gifting us the FA Cup and the Europa League with these youngsters, just imagine!
If he can get us into the CL next season and win a trophy, I reckon he'll be here next season. For all his flaws, I think there is at least a small chance that him and Giggs for one more year could perhaps see a birth of a class of 16, with maybe two or three coming in who can really contribute. I agree with Raoul that this isn't the primary objective of the club, but it would be nice to see.
He has obviously used more youth players than he bargained for, but he's the one that knows how to do it. "You can't win anything with kids" doesn't applie to him, he did it before, he went to the then supreme Milan with kids and beat them, he won the CL with kids, he humiliated Real in Bernabeu with kids, he played kids in Barcelona, he refreshed the Bayern squad with kids, he got 3rd at the WC with kids in the defence and a few more forward too.
Kids playing with instant confidence, without hesitation, sticking to their tasks, enjoying their freedoms, knowing where their teammates are and where they should be, that's just trademark Van Gaal. I don't think any other manager could have this squad play like this, and I'm sure no other manager has ever tried to play as many kids as he has, and certainly not with his success.
I don't disagree with much that lads but for every good point you both have made could have equally applied to Ferguson when he chose to play a senior players out of position instead of a youngster.
And apart from the odd brain fart like playing Rafael in midfield over Pogba he more often than not got it right.
I found it hilarious when arsenal started playing kids assuming it was the same thing haha
For those who genuinely think that VanGaal knows nothing about these players and hadn't even seen the likes of Borthwick Jackson before giving him his debut, on the day after a first team game the under 21's generally train with the senior players who haven't been involved in the match and train with the senior players during every international break, some of the higher rated younger players like Williams and Gribbin also train with the seniors a couple of times a week or do parts of training sessions. A lot of them have been training with the first team for over a year so when Van Gaal said he asked Warren Joyce it's safe to say he was asking more about who was ready for the step up rather than him not having seen the player. Just because players don't show up in training photo's doesn't mean they're not training with the first team it just means that they weren't involved in the training which the club lets them photograph.
LVG may want to reconsider his retirement plan. Everton might soon need a manager and they don't want to hire Moyes.
How about winning the league?
I heard that Mourinho is pretty good at that.
Apparently, he was in charge of the reigning league champions.
2nd will be a welcome relief, too.
But those youth players are/were trained by Warren Joyce. They never had a chance to get Vangelised, like our first team (who are crap) have. And...
Hang on a minute.
You are now winding us up. Right.
You almost had me.
I believe that you are a MCFC supporter; you link your posts to their (bluemoon) forum and together you all have a laugh at our expense. This is the only explanation.
And Santiago is probably also another MCFC supporter.
There is no other plausible explanation.
I don't think signing mourinho makes us favorites for the league personally