Is Lingard as good as gone? | Contract extended by one year

All these lads start clinging on for dear life and saying all the right things in the press because of 2 things. 1- If we renew them then they will get quite a bit more money here than they would at any other club in a serious league. 2- the only way is down if they leave. Players can have a few crap months or even a crap season but there are about 5 lads who don’t contribute nearly enough who should just be let go if we want to improve the quality of the squad. To be fair now Sánchez has gone lingard is probably the most valuable on the market. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised to see Ed sign him up to protect the asset only to sell him in another season or 2 if he doesn’t improve. He can get a few goals and run about in fixtures like last night. A proactive team should always be looking to move on and get someone younger and more talented who costs less.
 
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Berbasbullet said:
Ole loves him and if he keeps scoring then Bruno will be on the bench.
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Surely wum. That aside, Lingard may think he is no. 10, he might walk on the pitch as no. 10 but in reality no clue what's his position. He just roams there like an enigma. A no. 10 in team dictates final third. There is no authority in his game. At the most I see him kind of a player that can come on when the team is defending slender lead and just run amok trying to break opposition attack.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
A Lingard in top form is better than Bruno in poor form.
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Now this is worth a debate.. But Bruno is poor form still has the work-rate, decent-ish pass completion (75+%) and more importantly, always passes forward. There was some insane statistic about how "ALL" his passes were forward, like literally 100%.

Lingard in top form, brings finishing and work-rate. His passing has always been more hit and miss. His flicks sometimes come off, sometimes don't. Even during his best days.

In my honest opinion, Bruno's base level is comparable if not better than Lingard's top form.
 
devilish said:
Hate? Seriously?

Name me one top club who would sign Lingard right here, right now. The reason being that he was a half decent player who haven't performed for 18 months. We need reserve players who we can rely upon and would allow us to rest the likes of Pogba, Martial, Greenwood and Rashford. Jesse is simply not one of them.
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Yeah hate, I can't understand why some can't just be happy for the kid scoring a few goals recently after a nightmare year on and off the pitch for him.

Oh and by the way those Amateurs topped a Europa League featuring PSV Eindhoven, Sporting CP and Rosenborg.

gajender said:
Mate you are right we need to replace Lingard and these performances against minnows should not change that fact.
You shouldn't be argue with Class of 63 he is delusional when it comes to defending Lingard.
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No need for that pal.
 
Clique said:
Now this is worth a debate.. But Bruno is poor form still has the work-rate, decent-ish pass completion (75+%) and more importantly, always passes forward. There was some insane statistic about how "ALL" his passes were forward, like literally 100%.

Lingard in top form, brings finishing and work-rate. His passing has always been more hit and miss. His flicks sometimes come off, sometimes don't. Even during his best days.

In my honest opinion, Bruno's base level is comparable if not better than Lingard's top form.
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Bruno can miss passes a lot already when in decent form. Although he can make the good ones too and probably still get goals and assist in poor form.
Not sure we have seen poor form from him yet. Last few games was not great though and I hope that is his bad form.
Lingard has not reached his old top form at all this season so who knows if he still can do it. The City game is the only one I can remember him being really good against a strong side.
 
Class of 63 said:
Yeah hate, I can't understand why some can't just be happy for the kid scoring a few goals recently after a nightmare year on and off the pitch for him.

Oh and by the way those Amateurs topped a Europa League featuring PSV Eindhoven, Sporting CP and Rosenborg.
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Its 2 goals one was a quite fortunate, the other was against Lask or whatever they are called. Don't take me wrong I am happy for him especially since it might generate interest for him. However he's clearly not United's level. Oh Rosenborg and PSV Eindhoven. That's serious business then.
 
My problem with Lingard isn't entirely his lack of ability but more his positional contribution. We play with a 4-2-3-1 but often the midfield lies deeper and with Martial dropping into a 9 position what value does Jesse add ? I think there's a reason no real 10's have stood out under Solskjaer due to the shape the team occupies (not to mention most opposition often have sat in final third).

Grealish would be a sensible acquisition because he can play as an 8. There's no value in Lingard staying here because he doesn't offer the squad anything. I'd even go as far as giving the likes of Garner / Levitt the potential minutes Jesse would have.
 
Class of 63 said:
Oh and by the way those Amateurs topped a Europa League featuring PSV Eindhoven, Sporting CP and Rosenborg.
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This was also their 4th loss in a row. Their record after the break is W3 D1 L7.
 
Just read that himself and Raiola have parted company . Not even the great man could find him a club

Is he still injured or just not been selected?
 
Nov 02: "Jesse has trained. We'll see if there is any reaction. He might be able to travel to Istanbul but we're not sure yet."

That was the last update. Due back around the 21st November.
 
Red00012 said:
Just read that himself and Raiola have parted company . Not even the great man could find him a club

Is he still injured or just not been selected?
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fecking hell, how low must your stock be if even Riaola can't find you a new club?

Probably got the wake-up call he needed when Madrid and Barcelona didn't come knocking. The only way is down for him from United.
 
Oh come on people, I was hoping to read a tweet from Falk that Bayern wants him in January and are ready to splash 30m £ on him. And not a cent more.
Too much?
 
Clique said:
Now this is worth a debate.. But Bruno is poor form still has the work-rate, decent-ish pass completion (75+%) and more importantly, always passes forward. There was some insane statistic about how "ALL" his passes were forward, like literally 100%.

Lingard in top form, brings finishing and work-rate. His passing has always been more hit and miss. His flicks sometimes come off, sometimes don't. Even during his best days.

In my honest opinion, Bruno's base level is comparable if not better than Lingard's top form.
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I'm not sure I agree this is even a meaningful comparison to make - they are such different players.

What clinches the issue of whether Lingard needs to move on is for me this: Where does he fit in a 4231?

He's not a winger, either by instinct or skill. He lacks the speed, dribbling and crossing ability to generate offense from out on the flank. Like Rashford and Greenwood he prefers to cut inside, but he doesn't really have quite the skill level required to do that well as a link-up player, nor the finishing ability to be a direct threat from the corners of the box. He's not a striker. And he just doesn't have the vision, patience, passing or processing to be any sort of credible No 10.

In fact, you could argue he doesn't fit snugly into any attacking role in widespread use. Maybe what suits him best is the role he used to have for England, as a central offensive midfielder drifting wide on the attack.
 
One of the best things Ole did was stopping Lingard's presence from being around the matchday squad.
 
Yep. Good as gone. Him, Mata, Rojo, Pereira, all with contracts expiring next summer. I don't expect any to be renewed. Not that any of us would be shocked if Ed and co pull out of their head scratching masterpieces!
 
Good as gone. Even before his family issues, his head was done in by fame associated with United. He could have been a super sub, but instead of focusing on his game he opened a line of merchandise. Perhaps a club like Palace could use him as a super sub.
 
For his own sake I’d like to see him accept that he needs to go out and play football for the last few peak years of his career. Unfortunately, though, I suspect he’ll be banking on possibly being able to win over a new manager if Ole did happen to go.
 
A symbol of this era of decline almost as much as Fellaini, Pogba etc, three months of form sandwiched in the best part of a decade of excuses.
 
lex talionis said:
Good as gone. Even before his family issues, his head was done in by fame associated with United. He could have been a super sub, but instead of focusing on his game he opened a line of merchandise. Perhaps a club like Palace could use him as a super sub.
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i think he couldn’t build an identity. What is he? A LW? RW? #10? What is he good at? Does he dribble? Good crosses? Shoots well? Not sure really. He lost it along the way I guess. His off the pitch interests/issues may have interrupted his development. Unfortunately I feel he’s finished as a united player. Hope he goes to a team where he can actually play
 
justsomebloke said:
I'm not sure I agree this is even a meaningful comparison to make - they are such different players.

What clinches the issue of whether Lingard needs to move on is for me this: Where does he fit in a 4231?

He's not a winger, either by instinct or skill. He lacks the speed, dribbling and crossing ability to generate offense from out on the flank. Like Rashford and Greenwood he prefers to cut inside, but he doesn't really have quite the skill level required to do that well as a link-up player, nor the finishing ability to be a direct threat from the corners of the box. He's not a striker. And he just doesn't have the vision, patience, passing or processing to be any sort of credible No 10.

In fact, you could argue he doesn't fit snugly into any attacking role in widespread use. Maybe what suits him best is the role he used to have for England, as a central offensive midfielder drifting wide on the attack.
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He is not a football player by the looks of it
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
He's obviously been injured, and for all his limitations he will always be a better option than James.
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People need to give the lad a break. You wouldn’t have thought by the comments here that he won us one of our only trophies since Fergie retired. I don’t know what happened to his form/confidence, but it’s a real shame what’s happened.

Does make you wonder if you’re better leaving and having a solid career at Everton/Leicester, rather than staying at a poor United team and taking abuse from fans, whilst probably having the same chance of winning trophies.
 
Cloud7 said:
One of the best things Ole did was stopping Lingard's presence from being around the matchday squad.
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What do you base that on out of interest? I don't ever remember reading about him being a trouble causer or whirlwind of negativity in the dressing room.
 
He'd do well at a Southampton. He can press well and run all day and knows how to follow tactics. Don't know why we didn't try to get a few million for him a couple of years ago.
 
Jippy said:
What do you base that on out of interest? I don't ever remember reading about him being a trouble causer or whirlwind of negativity in the dressing room.
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Oh I should have been clear, I don't mean in terms of personality, I mean in terms of quality. As in, he's crap and I'm glad he doesn't start or even come on as a sub anymore. He's nowhere near the playing team, is what I meant.
 
I think the alliance with Mini Roll was more about trying to get the JLingz brand expanded more so than getting a move.
 
Cloud7 said:
Oh I should have been clear, I don't mean in terms of personality, I mean in terms of quality. As in, he's crap and I'm glad he doesn't start or even come on as a sub anymore. He's nowhere near the playing team, is what I meant.
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Yeah I won't miss him too much, but wish him well at West Brom or wherever he ends up.
 
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