Sorry, but no he still needs to leave this window. As he wasn't playing against a quality team, its just we made these look like Peps prime Barca at times.
Is Lingard as good as gone? | Contract extended by one year
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Sorry, but no he still needs to leave this window. As he wasn't playing against a quality team, its just we made these look like Peps prime Barca at times.
because if he can somehow get his next deal here then he’ll never get the same money and fame at any other club he could go and be a starter at. It’s basically West Ham or Everton from here. If he scores a few more goals he can go to Ed and say I want an improved deal or I will wait and fight and go for free next year to try and get himself the best deal possible.... I wouldn’t back against Woodward signing him up to protect the asset. It’s Woodward and Ole has known this lad since he was 6 or something. There may be one more chance left for him. This is the spot for Jesse to make the most money and keep his brand relevant for as long as possible. He’s got a thick skin anyway! For what it’s worth I do really hope the club are ruthless in getting rid of players like lingard, Andreas, mata and Jones this summer and freeing up money to reinvest.
We need to keep him and push him to turn his form around. There is a top player in him.
I think Lingard's time has gone now. I do have sympathy with his personal issues but it would be better for the club if he's moved on. Jones, Rojo and Andreas can go tomorrow. I would give Shaw a make or break season. I would love Pogba to commit and sign another contract maybe people would get off his back then in an improving team.
I would actually keep Mata as an emergency cover for Bruno for one season - there is no point playing him on the right I don't understand why they even bother - but at 10 in games we have control of he can do some damage from there. He will also always score his fair amount of free kicks. I would like to see a bench full of the kids but you have to give them someone to follow too.
I really don't know what to do about goalkeeper though. If we can't move him on with those wages then he should be pushed extremely hard in training and made to refocus - he still has to be a decent shot stopper at his age.
Don't want to throw money at a goalie yet we have more important signings to get in. Henderson is a viable alternative - maybe just one year too soon but I would do it if we can't get a tune out of Dave.
If what they were saying about Henderson getting paid absolutely huge wages on his next deal is true I fear we may even be stuck with 2 outstanding goalies who just weren’t the right fit here in the end. We could end up losing a lot of money on both really. you definitely need a keeper with absolutely top distribution and communication if you’re playing out from the back.
I would definitely move mata on. I think Bruno’s competition needs to be someone great and on the up (VDB/Grealish) as he’s such an important spark for us. If we lose him we are screwed. The position has been neglected for too long and hopefully we plan accordingly while we are in a position of strength.
He needs to do so little for some people. Has been woeful for something like 18 months, then does a couple of interviews with two goals, one of which comes in a dead rubber against a woeful Austrian side, and you still think this is something more than just one of his short patches of form.
He's local and gets the club is the most touted line about him, yet while non-local Mata went straight away and got the ball from the net because 1-1 against LASK at home wasn't good enough for his standards, Lingard runs away to make his trademark celebration in an empty stadium. He just seems content with the bare minimum here, always has been, lack of forward passing or attacking responsibility the best evidence. Two OK games around new year against Spurs and City, he also blew his horns saying how he's back.
This should be his prime, he has delivered nothing. He should not be given yet another chance, his lack of consistency and creativity will surface yet again and we'll bemoan our lack of options.
He's local and gets the club is the most touted line about him, yet while non-local Mata went straight away and got the ball from the net because 1-1 against LASK at home wasn't good enough for his standards, Lingard runs away to make his trademark celebration in an empty stadium. He just seems content with the bare minimum here, always has been, lack of forward passing or attacking responsibility the best evidence. Two OK games around new year against Spurs and City, he also blew his horns saying how he's back.
This should be his prime, he has delivered nothing. He should not be given yet another chance, his lack of consistency and creativity will surface yet again and we'll bemoan our lack of options.
I hope he stays. If its true his mother is ill and his form has been effected by that, we need to support him. Not ship him off to Everton or Palace for a pound of flesh. He's been here since he was a kid. I could name 10 people I'd rather see leave than Jesse Lingard.
Yes, which is normal for a B-side with next to no interplayer relations or match fitness, playing against a side with nothing to lose and which have beaten ok sides such as Sporting (w/ Bruno), PSV, AZ 67 and FC Basel this season.
He played better than the other ten starters, which means that if that’s their level from here on out, we have at least ten other players to replace before Jesse Lingard is a priority.
so far the reports from behind the scenes has been that Jesse has turned a chapter, grown up, is fully focused again and have done some of the best training. If the last cameo and these 60 mins confirm that rather than being a blip, I expect him to get another season tbf. And if he plays like today every time, I’m not worried.
And the hate continues, disturbing.
OGS has personally known him since he was a kid at the club and they have a strong relationship.
Whatever decision is reached, it will be because OGS thinks that is best for Lingards career. If he leaves. I’m sure the club would do all they can to get him a good move.
I’ve always had a soft spot for him; and I think he providesa great option from the bench. But if Sancho comes in, he will find it very hard to get a run of games, and so for his career sake, He should Move away.
Good that he's had a few decent games but this is typical Lingard. Has a bunch of decent games which keep him at the club for the next year which is mostly spent wondering why he's actually there.
If he can keep it up he'll be useful in cup games here and there. But we need better backup players.
If he can keep it up he'll be useful in cup games here and there. But we need better backup players.
wouldn't be the worst thing if it helps us sell him onto west ham/everton/west brom. He is good enough to play at that level.
Sell him, a game that was virtually won (5-0) where he luckily scores doesn't warrant him squad player status even, he's been shambolic in most cameos and there are better players that we can pay 100k+/week for, thank you Lingard for those small flashes of a good footballer across 5-6 years now but it's time for him to go
So a goal against an amateur team is enough for some people to have him back in their good books?
we're not an agony aunt. There's standards that are set then needs to be reached.
If he find back his form maybe there's no need for us to buy Grealish 
His best form has never come close to producing what Grealish has done this season. There’s no room for sentiment in professional sports. The best managers / teams are ruthless. Lindgard has been subpar for a long time, regardless of what’s happening off the field. He’s been treated more than fairly and given a multitude of chances. It’s time to wish him well, hope he finds his level elsewhere, and bring in a better player.If he find back his form maybe there's no need for us to buy Grealish
I could easily name 10 players I’d rather have taking his spot on the squad. Guy will be 30 in a few years and hasn’t shown anything in his game that’ll improve the team and make it successful. Not nice his mum was ill, but he’s had too quality support available and is in a very privileged position. Many players go though bad shit but get on with their profession. Making it an excuse for a season and a half of piss poor performances doesn’t really wash.
This. (except the amateur part)
Jesse even before this slump in form was known as the "December player". He'd pick up a run of games in December where he's score a couple of goals, pick up a couple of assists, however come Jan he'd regress back to mean.
Don't get me wrong, I feel for him. If he's had personal issues, my heart goes to him and his family. If the club saw it fit to see him through that period, I'm proud of this club for doing that. He, however, in no shape and form deserves a new contract.
If nothing else happens, he leaves on a free end of next season. So either we cash in on him this year or allow him one more year to show he's really turned the corner. But, if his corner turning means he goes back to Jesse of 18 months ago, that unfortunately still isn't good enough.
Hate? Seriously?
Name me one top club who would sign Lingard right here, right now. The reason being that he was a half decent player who haven't performed for 18 months. We need reserve players who we can rely upon and would allow us to rest the likes of Pogba, Martial, Greenwood and Rashford. Jesse is simply not one of them.
My heart goes to him and his family but his problems are his and his alone. Players are paid ridiculous money these days. We can't have a 100k+ a week employee doing diddly squat for 18 months. It hurts the club, it hurts his team mates who have to play through fatigue and sometimes injury because there is no one able to cover for them which in turn risk fecking their own career as well and it also hurts the manager whose career depends on results. Ultimately having a good strength in depth is as important as having a top XI.
Mate you are right we need to replace Lingard and these performances against minnows should not change that fact.
You shouldn't be argue with Class of 63 he is delusional when it comes to defending Lingard.
Too obvious Isd! Better luck next time
He has to go. He’s been useless now for far too long. What’s more we are getting a decent size wage off our hands too. There will be plenty of takers in the lower reaches of the PL.
Really disturbing. And these people are supposedly fans, and this is supposed to be a fan forum.
We need to use this form to put him up in the shop window
Good that he’s seemingly hitting a bit of form. Hopefully he’s in the shop window and he’s moved on. Probably best for him and definitely best for United.
He did ok but the opposition was too poor. First half was poor but did better in 2nd half from lw. Let's see if he gets a chance in next round.
I think him sat with Ole at the presser speaks volumes. That doesn't happen if he's going anywhere.....
I hope this isnt the case, ole should be thinking solely of what is best for the club, not lingards career, that's his agents job.
You can do both, and Fergie was always the same, always looked out for academy graduates and secured them good moves.
Lingard yes. Fred, no chance
I think if I remember correctly I read somewhere we even compromised on fees to give academy players their preferred moves.
Sancho has a serious test ahead to get into our squad with Lingard being in such form.If he find back his form maybe there's no need for us to buy Grealish
As long as looking after his career means getting him a good move away thats fine, not if it means holding onto a substandard player on a wage that could be much better spent elsewhere purely because ole has known him a long time and likes him.
SAF never had 22 super stars and I am sure he likes to have players like Jesse as he can get the best out of them, not sure Ole can do this but I think Jesse is not our pressing issue as we have few other areas to address, Mata/Perrera/Rojo/Jones/Smalling first and then we can revisit Jesse.
If Ole cant gives Lingard regulate football, then staying at the club obviously isn't the best for Lingard's career.
Also, players have contracts. Lingard can legitimately stay for another 12 months and then become a free agent.
I used to be a big critic of Lingard but I now find it hard to believe that people want him to move on?
He's an academy lad who is still young and growing into the role of a more senior player. His last few appearances he has been great scoring goals, the team clearly love him and want him to do well, in fact everyone seems to like him , he's a great part of the squad. He is even captain sometimes now so Ole must like him.
He had a bad year with family issues and is clearly playing his way into form to the stage where (this might seem controversial), he might displace Bruno. Lingard on form will keep the ball better and score goals too.
I think we will and should extend to show our faith, he's gonna be the competition for the 10 position Bruno needs.
He's an academy lad who is still young and growing into the role of a more senior player. His last few appearances he has been great scoring goals, the team clearly love him and want him to do well, in fact everyone seems to like him , he's a great part of the squad. He is even captain sometimes now so Ole must like him.
He had a bad year with family issues and is clearly playing his way into form to the stage where (this might seem controversial), he might displace Bruno. Lingard on form will keep the ball better and score goals too.
I think we will and should extend to show our faith, he's gonna be the competition for the 10 position Bruno needs.
While I have a problem with calling him "still young". I agree that he can have a further chance to improve, at the least he deserves a good decent squad role and who knows, could even start pushing for a starting berth if he proves this is more than just a purple patch.
I definitely wrote him off and would have been fine seeing him gone, but we need that squad depth, and with us spending almost everything on Lingard, we don't have money for shiny new signings.
I trust that Ole can get the most out of Jesse, he already got him to pipe down more on his social media side and focus on his football, and it is starting to show. Not saying he will be world class, but there is a player in there!