Dembele was €105 million = £94million, Coutinho went for £105 million. Coutinho was a more proven player at a higher level and not just domestic performances IMO. reality is very few players live up to these price tags over 100m but you are worth what a club is willing to pay so maybe Jadon is worth that
Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?
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Sorry. I googled them, and most shows Dembele 105m + 40m adds on. So does with Coutinho. Do you think add on shouldn't count?
Neither of them were worth anywhere near that.
Genuine question, who was the last player to leave Dortmund and go to another league and really tear it up? Can't think of any, they all seem to flop. Not suggesting Sancho will do the same just curious.
Aubameyang?
Oh yeah forgot about him
I’ve just been watching united stand and they are talking about his performances so far this season. Not playing well, they reckon he could be unhappy/unsettled after all the business with us over the summer.
As a 20 year old english kid, if you want to go home, want to play in the PL and there is so much hype and speculation, for it to not happen, I guess it could take a toll.
next summer, who you reckon gets him? I don’t think he will come here now, after we have bought pellestri and traore, I can’t see us spending 120m next year. Would love to be wrong but just can’t see it.
As a 20 year old english kid, if you want to go home, want to play in the PL and there is so much hype and speculation, for it to not happen, I guess it could take a toll.
next summer, who you reckon gets him? I don’t think he will come here now, after we have bought pellestri and traore, I can’t see us spending 120m next year. Would love to be wrong but just can’t see it.
Chelsea or Liverpool will sign him. Pellestri could also be used on the left and behind the striker but the Sancho shipped sailed for United as soon as we didn't meet that deadline.
He's not a £120m player. No chance. We might have dodged a bullet here.
I have high hopes about Traore so I dont think we will be back for him but theres too much history to this transfer now. I think selling to us for any less than 120m will be a slap in the face for them and we arent paying that aftet a full year of covid.
I can see Chelsea in a flop plus money move so they can save face.
it's up to you really! Martial was 37 million but could go up to 57.6 million with add ons but some of those clauses are unlikely to ever be met (e.g. Balon D'or winner etc).
A lot depends on the clauses and likeliness of them happening. If they are dependent on league games played then fair enough.
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Well Mbappe went for €180m, didn't he? So a €120m valuation of Sancho already reflects that Mbappe has delivered on a higher level. I can understand that people are hesitant to see such a huge fee paid for such a young player, but you're basically saying you have the budget for a Mercedes, but you're looking for a Ferrari.
I've saw him playing (via TV) live matches & he is good but £100m is bizarre & unreasonable. The price is huge purely because...wait for it....he in English.
Mbappe went to a domestic rival, who didn’t comply with the financial restricts as their owners are extremely rich. It was also at a time when fans attended games. Whatever PSG of a few seasons ago paid for anyone, has zero reflection on what clubs should pay now.
I’d love Sancho to join United, but we’ve gone and purchased 2 young right wingers, so I’m eager to see them play and hopefully save us a lot of money.
I think you guys should be pleased that your club didn't spend that amount on him. I get that many of you got excited and really wanted him at the club but there is no doubt in my mind that the figures being quoted for him were wildly over the top especially in the current climate. Not saying he isn't a good player (though I've yet to really be impressed with him when I've watched him) but it would have been an incredible risk for your club to buy him at that price. I think it was the right move not to do it.
Maybe he's objectively worth £100m, maybe he isn't but that isn't really the question to ask here. The way we've splashed cash and made our finances public, no club is selling us a player without a hefty Utd tax. If Maguire is worth £80m to us then Sancho is worth £160m.
What do you think a €120m player is? I'm assuming you haven't adjusted € to £.
No, what I meant was, only 2 young players have demonstrated their talent consistently at top level, so they are worth whatever the market price is. Other player like Sancho, are good player but nowhere near top level. Would you pay 1m for a Benz sport car still in drawing board? Proven, may be, unproven, no. So I incline to agree with what MU had proposed to Dortmund, but if they don't bite, move on.
Crowds wont be back this season.
It may be March/ April 2022 before we see stadiums full again. That's just my opinion from various articles I've read on a covid vaccine and how it will take time to be rolled out.
I cant see any player going for more than 80mil next summer in such circumstances.
It may be March/ April 2022 before we see stadiums full again. That's just my opinion from various articles I've read on a covid vaccine and how it will take time to be rolled out.
I cant see any player going for more than 80mil next summer in such circumstances.
Which is why Sancho doesn't cost an absolute top level fee. If he was (more) "proven" he would cost money similar to Mbappe or perhaps Hazard. Instead his price tag is similar to that of Joao Felix and significantly less that of Dembele.
But then you could argue that due to his age and the fact that he has recently posted greater numbers than any prospect in Bundesliga recent history, including the likes of Sane/Son, perhaps Dortmund feel he has far more value. That said, Sane has started quite well back home.
One of the top 5 players in the world. The finished article. That's what I'd want for 120m.
Doesn't that just mean you're totally out of the loop of what price gradients are now, though?
You're talking 2015 or so if that's what you think £108m gets you.
What was proven about Mbappe? And look at Hazard now.
Theyre not really 2 great examples. If anything, all of the 100m plus transfers havent met expectations.
I agree with you.
I feel like even the transfer fees have grown out of proportion, paying 120 million for a player that has to grow still and currently shows inconsistency is not needed when you could still find that type of player for much cheaper.
I feel like that's what we did with the two younger RW we bought this year.
I'm okay for paying something near 120 million pounds for a player like Haaland who is destroying records nearly every game he plays, national, UCL, and league games but to me there is a difference between that an a player like Joao Felix, Sancho and Dembele.
Hardly. Only 5 transfers in the history of football have ever been done at that price or higher.
No, YOU'RE out of the loop. This is 2020, covid era. Transfer prices have to be more realistic.
Yes, but that is not keeping with reality - or do you actually think the best players in the world- the literal ones, can be had for the price you've said?
Prices don't have to be anything. It's up to the seller to determine what an asset is worth (particularly because it's relative), not the buyer. Otherwise, deals simply don't get done.
Dembele and Coutinho were not worth the money Barca paid for them.
The question isn't if Sancho would have gone for 150m pre covid but if he's worth that money.
I'd say yes. I think the only negative thing about Sancho so far is that he hasn't replicated his Bundesliga performances in the CL or at a NT level but what does United need the most right now? A team that is able to challenge in the league and Sancho has been impeccable in league play
The question isn't if Sancho would have gone for 150m pre covid but if he's worth that money.
I'd say yes. I think the only negative thing about Sancho so far is that he hasn't replicated his Bundesliga performances in the CL or at a NT level but what does United need the most right now? A team that is able to challenge in the league and Sancho has been impeccable in league play
Doesnt that mean the transfer market is on the side of the buyer?
Not very often, no, because the best players aren’t available very often. On the rare occasions when they are available, it depends on many factors, including contract length, wages, competition etc.
Which of the world’s top players (recognised as such at the time of the transfer) have moved in the last few years? I can only think of:
Hazard - 100m
Neymar - 200m
Ronaldo - 100m
Possibly Mbappe - 150m
The ones who transferred and then went on to become top players (Salah, De Bruyne, Van Dijk, Lewandowski) went for much less.
Still in a very specific system with behind him probably the best wingback in the world.
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as much as I want him - he probably was too expensive as the world is now. We can try again next summer if things have improved then
It probably means we won't see any of the top bracket move until the crises are over.
The notion of stark drops in prices for the top assets in world football is far-fetched, imo.
They'll have to run contracts down and then clubs will have to decide if they sell, and I'll bet clubs will opt to keep their player and let them go for free than sell them on at some ridiculous covid discount.
In the end, you're moving into the bracket of irreplaceable and even selling them at their worth is painful for most teams because they've got a hot potato on their hands that will cause them to be fleeced, and even then, you're far from assured whoever you get in can produce at the same rate and level as the elite player you've just let go. It's not prudent to take money in lieu of all that those kind of players give, unless you're struggling and have no option but to sell.
A stagnant market at the highest bracket.
The point is, whatever the highest, most elite bracket is, Sancho is not in it, but isn't going to cost you anything like they will, either.
Mbappe, Neymar, Kane, Mane and all those who have titles and years upon years of performance backing them up who are in the optimal age range, are a whole clump more expensive than £100m. You're not getting Kane for less than £150m - particularly us dealing with Levy. Neymar? you can't hope to enter negotiations for at £100m; Mbappe cost PSG almost double what you're suggesting as is, he's not a depreciating asset, even if he's not on a linear trajectory in terms of improvement. The list goes on.
£100m, for [top class] forwards, is those on the up, or those on the way down, realistically - those hitting, or in their peak, in that highest bracket, it isn't going to get you a sniff of. That's why I find a multitude of posts in here puzzling to read. X, Y isn't worth £100m, but then, when pressed on who is, the names that are put forth aren't worth that, either... because they're worth a considerable amount more.
It can't be both things.
Sancho, even if you think he's worth less in terms of actual talent or output right now, still has the stackers of:
- age
- nationality
- current status and repute
- two solid years of performance
- what he's worth to Dortmund
to be put on top. You're going to have to do some serious mental gymnastics to reduce his value to a real-world figure that takes him away from what Dortmund priced him at. Almost everything about him forces him into the bracket people say he has no business being in.
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Dortmund should sell for less than 100m. I'm saying we shouldn't sign him if that's what he costs.
Yeah but this is about worth - if you're going to knock on the door and inquire, thinking what he is can be had for some knockdown price makes you (the club) the silly ones, not Dortmund.
I think this season could be a strange one for him as a player because we've clearly unsettled him and his head could well not be in the game. How long that lasts for, who knows, but it's only if he tanks that his worth comes down to the numbers some in here seem to think he should have been had for.
I'm just saying indignation instead of realism that 'lowly Dortmund' baulked at our pricing is nonsensical. Going into that window, he was the hottest talent on the planet in his age range, what an earth do people think that type of player goes for?
The worth of an asset is determined by what someone is willing to pay.
I can put my house on the market for £500k, but if I'm only getting offers of £300k, it's stupid for me to continue to claim it's worth half a million. Whether I sell or not is up to me, but that's irrelevant to the value of my house.
If no club is willing to offer 120m for Sancho, then quite simply he isn't worth that much money. Dortmund can refuse to sell, but that doesn't make him worth any more.
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