Not selling Sancho last summer was a master stroke from Dortmund. Now they've won the league it will be easier to sell him at a knocked down price this summer.
Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?
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Whether the player has one, two or three years left on his contract isn't important if there is a bidding war which there will be with clubs somewhat recovering from the covid crisis. Even if Sancho goes intonhis last year, it is virtually impossible that he lets his contract run out.
Moreover, the player seems happy at Dortmund and that makes sense because he's in a similar situation: He can ask for much more salary in a recovering market.
Also, the fact that Sancho is relatively cheap compared to talents of similar magnitude means that Dortmund isn't losing too much if the price would drop further. I'm sure they'd happily let him go for 50m next season instead of 70m this one. Without him, they would have missed out on CL football which would easily mean less revenues in the 50-60m region. And that's ignoring opportunity costs like other players wanting to go, fewer players wanting to join, less room for extractions etc.
There's a reason why every Dortmund fab hopes he stays for another season. It is a no brainer to hold onto him for as long as possible.
There's no such thing as an unsellable player, every club has his threshold. Barca would have sold Messi in his prime if somebody offered some absolutely crazy money. Thing is, Dortmund's threshold for Sanchonwould be much higher than the quoted 100m € if they didn't feel oiged tonlet the player go due to their promises to him. They won't accept a penny less because they actually hope nobody offers this sum.
Bidding wars aren't actually a thing though, are they? Players decide where they want to go, even if another club might be willing to pay more for them it doesn't matter.
I’d agree generally but didn’t we get into a bidding war of sorts with City over Maguire?
Yes, don't listen to us, we're obviously the biased Bundesliga Protection Alliance and in contrast to the neutral United fans in here not able to think clearly and see the facts, just like last season when it was so obvious that Dortmund wanted to sell him immediately
Cognitive dissonances at it's finest. Somebody has a different opinion to mine? Impossible, let's ignore the facts and just pretend he has a hidden agenda.
I think Leicester just set a price and only we matched it.
Yeah this is how I remember it. City walked away at the price, we didn't.
Of course this doesn't take place like an auction or something like that. But if there is only one interested purchaser, he can force the selling clun to demand a lesser price in the last year of contract. If there are other interested clubs, this doesn't work anymore unless the player only wants to go to one club and that club only - so much that he is willing to wait another year. If you're convinced Sancho is that keen to join you, fair enough. I see no sogns for it.
We agreed a £50m deal then Mourinho vetoed it because the press would have given him shit. Then when we came back the following season Leicester set the price and said pay upfront. City turned it down and we agreed.
You haven't watched Sancho and greenwood enough to spot the difference in the way they play the position. Once you do you can pluck your own imagination a bit more.
I wouldn't imagine so, at least not an auction style sale to the highest bidder. But there have been plenty of high profile transfers 'hijacked' by other clubs - largely because the second club came in with an 11th hour improved offer - either to the seller club, or (in more recent years), a more competitive offer to the player's agent or player themselves. We famously missed out on Paul Gascoigne even after he'd given SAF a gentleman's agreement he would sign, all because Spurs offered to buy his parents a house or something. I think we also missed out on Hazard because we weren't willing to pay his agent the same exuberant fees Chelsea were more than happy to oblige.
An example of it failing was Berbatov's transfer to us. I seem to recall City trying to hijack the transfer with an improved offer for both Spurs and Berba himself, but he was luckily adamant on moving to United.
EDIT: Actually it appears the Berbatov anecdote was the other way round! Supposedly Spurs had already agreed a deal with City, but Berba waited it out until United officially entered the fray. https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...berbatov-manchester-united-city-news-18204923
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If you believe some sources he'd have come to us when he left City if we could have done the deal but it was impossible, and has been open to joining us every summer since. He's also agreed terms with us ages ago, so yeah I'd say he is fairly keen to join us.
For the £80m they are talking about now, he is defo worth it. He's consistent, young, could get even better plus fills the English quota.
Whether he should be a priority is another issue. You could argue there are 3/4 other positions we need to cover first.
Whether he should be a priority is another issue. You could argue there are 3/4 other positions we need to cover first.
Whether a player has 3/2/1 years left on his contract is always relevant. That you think that, coupled with some magical post covid super bidding war for the player that will see him go for even more than expected is wishful thinking at best. You should just own up to the agenda you clearly have instead of fighting it.
And a player who enters into a gentleman's agreement to leave his club and has wanted out for two summers isn't really happy at his club.
When was the last time a player transfer involved a bidding war?
Someone correct me if i'm wrong but it is my understanding Manchester United and Manchester City had somewhat of a bidding war for Sanchez ?
And apparently, Alexis wanted to go to City but United offered more money and he ended up here. Just as an possible example
In Sancho's case, I think there could be at least four clubs interested in him.
How does that help the selling club?
The poster is referring to a bidding for to benefit Dortmund. Ofcourse if there is more than one club interested it will be on wages.
Never. It's one of the famous internet myths. It's as if there will be auction. Player will have some price, whoever makes that bid will get the player. Only bidding war that happens with is player's contract.
Closest I remember was when we got an early fee in for Lukaku with most things agreed, and Chelsea made a late retrospective bid of their own. It's probably a myth built from PC game championship manager days
Closest I remember was when we got an early fee in for Lukaku with most things agreed, and Chelsea made a late retrospective bid of their own. It's probably a myth built from PC game championship manager days
Yeah in Lukaku's case, Chelsea were hesitant to meet the asking fee, we did.
It's one of those myths.
De Ligt? Or De Jong? Can't really remember
I think we might try and sign him. I can see Mane going and Sancho fits the profile Klopp would look for.
I doubt Dortmund would accept the way you structure deals. Based on the Jota transfer anyway.
Who's gonna buy Mane?
I think it might be a case of selling Mane and using that money to buy Sancho as our big signing for the summer. Mane would still fetch a decent amount.
Someone will come along and sign him. His wages aren't crazy.
Potentially, I do think Mane will be the one to go if anyone.
He's 29 and declining, i'm not sure who would want him as he'd want decent wages with it being his last fat contract.
He'll be a Liverpool next season.
Ajax had a lowish set fee so the players could choose where they wanted to go. Not a bidding war in the sense of driving the price up and going to the highest bidder, De Ligt had 3 offers. For De Jong there might've been some wages battle but probably more like De Jong asks Barca to beat PSG's offering and they duly obliged.
Madrid- After Mbappe and already had a failed experiment with a 29yr old
Barca- Messi renewing and they're adding Aguero AND Depay whilst having Fati and Dembele on their books
PSG- Maybe here if Mbappe leaves but it's not set in stone for this year. Mbappe will likely leave late in the window and by then Sancho will have probably already changed clubs
The thing about "he lost his form because he was disappointed by the failed transfer" is something blown way out of proportion here I believe. Dortmund massively struggled to replace Hakimi, they had trouble to support their wingers up front. Dortmunds late run of great results came when they played Pisczek at RB again, who is the best to support the attack they had (ended his professional career now).
Sancho surely will not have been happy about last summer, but there were never signs of him being "done" with the club, he always tried, he improved off the ball a lot and as you say he slowly matures into a leading figure in their team.
And therefore it is also well possible that he would not mind staying another year in Dortmund and challenge for the league (with the massive changes in the squad and team around it Bayern are having at the moment there really could be a chance to beat them). It could also be a thing of "mission accomplished" for him with the cup win, but simply none of us knows what he thinks as he never said anything about his feelings in public. I think he has to be respected for it as this is a very professional behaviour but on the other hand it makes speculating about his future much more fun here than if we would knew what he really thinks
I didn't say he will go for more. What I'm saying is that it's irrelevant how many years he has on the contract as long as there are multiple clubs interested in signing him - because then game theory comes into play.
Anyway, I've been arguing the same thing last season and you guys convinced yourselves of the BLP nonsense. So let's agree to disagree and watch if United really can negotiate a lower fee.
Pretty much every single transfer is a bidding war. You can only nmforce the selling club to lower his demands if you can convince the player to sit out his contract and not sign with any competitors. Do you really believe Sancho is so keen to join you that he would prefer waiting a year to join you over signing for Liverpool or Chelsea or the likes immediately? There hasn't been any indication of it.
Except they all don't just play just one spot
Sancho and Amad can play RW & LW. Greenwood can play RW & CF.
Say Rashford, Martial & Cavani are out injured at the same time next season we can then come out with
-------‐----Mason
Sancho-Bruno-Amad
and we could actually be confident in that attacking line
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We bring in Sancho and it will help us in the future for the likes of Håland & Bellingham.
Maybe Lukas helped but Sancho was really the difference maker.
Sure. Well, I think a bidding war is better for the player than the club. But i'm not a economics expert.
In the current market affected by the coronavirus pandemic, it appears Dortmund would have to sell for less than they would in a ''normal market''
Well the lobbying thing worked with Ronny after we played them in that pre season friendly but could fall on deaf ears
Sancho OR Coman ? which one you go to
Well Coman would give us more opportunity to spend big at CB & DM too
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