Is it worth playing McTominay up front?

V.O. said:
One of these players has been player of the year twice for a very good side, and has won the Champions League starting every game he was available for, getting the match winning assist in the final. The other has a career as a Man Utd player because he had a growth spurt while Jose was throwing toys out of the pram, and has achieved nothing close to comparable while being two years older.

But yeah, he knocks in the odd goal for Scotland against goat herders and he's actually been the white Ruud Gullit all along if you think about it, and Mount is the fraud. :lol:
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And Deli Alli was twice young player of the year.

Recency in football is a thing.

He's been shite for 18 months, and that's not changed since he's come to United.
 
He’d provide a lot more threat than Martial or Sancho, and it’d allow us to keep Rashford on the left if Hojlund wasn’t available.
 
Leethal said:
And Deli Alli was twice young player of the year.

Recency in football is a thing.

He's been shite for 18 months, and that's not changed since he's come to United.
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Mount was injured for half of last season playing for a team where everybody was shocking, and is now coming into a new system and learning a new role. Writing him off as the new Dele Alli after two games is absolutely mental.

McTominay is a big lad who puts himself about a bit and simply doesn't have the ability to be anything more. He knows this himself, which is why he never shows for a pass. He never stood out even at youth level and would never have gotten near the first team if it wasn't for his growth spurt and size queen Jose. His level is kicking people in midfield and being a bit of a handful at set pieces for West Ham or Everton (or indeed their national team equivalent, Scotland).
 
V.O. said:
Mount was injured for half of last season playing for a team where everybody was shocking, and is now coming into a new system and learning a new role. Writing him off as the new Dele Alli after two games is absolutely mental.
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The same could be said for many players, but do they get special dispensation?

Does Sancho?

End of the day, he's been atrocious. We can make all the excuses up in the world - but he was shit. And he's been shit since he signed. Those are the facts.
 
Leethal said:
And Deli Alli was twice young player of the year.

Recency in football is a thing.

He's been shite for 18 months, and that's not changed since he's come to United.
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Moan moan moan , let hope qatar doesn't buy us and we become an excellent team as life would be misery without the negativity. He has played only a few games for us like 2, You obviously don't like him from the initial approach so anything but a right off will be carnage.
 
V.O. said:
One of these players has been player of the year twice for a very good side, and has won the Champions League starting every game he was available for, getting the match winning assist in the final. The other has a career as a Man Utd player because he had a growth spurt while Jose was throwing toys out of the pram, and has achieved nothing close to comparable while being two years older.

But yeah, he knocks in the odd goal for Scotland against goat herders and he's actually been the white Ruud Gullit all along if you think about it, and Mount is the fraud. :lol:
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That’s a bit harsh on Spain, I know they’re not what they used to be but they’re a bit better than that.
 
Maticmaker said:
It would certainly be worth the risk. Scott's a big lad, good 'engine' on him, not afraid to put himself about, has shown he can be devastating , especially when arriving late in the box, and a better bet than either Martial or Sancho at this stage, might also help the new lad settle in. Hope ETH is looking in!
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I think he has completely the wrong skill set to play up front. The CF has to constantly be moving into the right space to show for the ball. He then has to receive it, hold onto it long enough to pass it - sometimes into space, sometimes to feet, sometimes round-the-corner. Scott can’t do any of that.
 
False prophesy raring its head again. Blasphemous minds.
 
Innapropriate to use the term abortion when describing a player
glasgow 21 said:
Moan moan moan , let hope qatar doesn't buy us and we become an excellent team as life would be misery without the negativity. He has played only a few games for us like 2, You obviously don't like him from the initial approach so anything but a right off will be carnage.
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I don't know the man. So how can I not like him?

I think he's not fit to wear our shirt, yes. Our standards have severely declined if this quality of player is our marquee signing. A player in the last year of his contract, signed for 55m on the back of an atrocious 18 months for club and country. Yep, a lot to be excited about there! And he hasn't exactly set the world on fire since he arrived; both in pre season and in the games he's played. 14 passes in 85 minutes from a central midfielder, with 0 tackles. Need I say more? For context, I highly doubt the much derided Fred and McTominay have EVER put numbers out that bad in their entire career playing for United, while playing central midfield. Nor Van de Beek - nor any of the other players regularly shit on. He's been worse than the lot. An abortion of a signing - but like I've said elsewhere - that's not his fault. That's on the club. He just isn't good enough of a footballer.
 
I think he's made for the position. Good movement, great finishing, good hold up play and good on the ball, works hard.

And he's a big fecker.
 
V.O. said:
But yeah, he knocks in the odd goal for Scotland against goat herders
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Good grief. You overlook that he also got both goals in Scotland's 2-0 win against Spain, which'll be the paella munchers to you.
 
McTominay has always scored goals in midfield, when he's not being played as a holding midfielder.
 
OrcaFat said:
I think he has completely the wrong skill set to play up front. The CF has to constantly be moving into the right space to show for the ball. He then has to receive it, hold onto it long enough to pass it - sometimes into space, sometimes to feet, sometimes round-the-corner. Scott can’t do any of that.
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Not suggesting its made permanent, but he will be a 'defence blaster/mauler', literally making space through packed defences, he can finish and will help to take pressure of Hojlund.
 
OrcaFat said:
I admit there are many different ways of looking at this game and all the players in it. But context always helps.

McT is a good player. Let’s get that out of the way.

McT has lots of admirable qualities but the problem he is finding is that he doesn’t have enough technical quality or game intelligence to be a long-term success at a top club. He may possibly have the potential to be a productive no8 and has shown he can score goals, carry the ball through midfield, likes to get stuck in - all good. But you have to look at the whole package. In the top teams the no8 has to do that stuff but also have great positional awareness, and quality in receiving and passing in the build up. These latter areas are where he is deficient.

To your second point, there is simply no way that a clever, experienced manager abandons a carefully formulated and developed system on the basis of a few mixed performances, with injuries, before the system has had a chance to bed in. So I humbly suggest you let go of that pipe dream for the time being!
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You can only play a 4-1-2-3 with the right three in midfield you must have a dominant mobile CDM like Casemiro in his prime, Kante in his prime of right now Camavinga, Rice, Caciedo type( Hopefully Kobie will develop into a player that good!) but then you need slightly different skill sets in your two advanced midfielders, one will be BTB and likes to get on the ball almost like a Libero and the other is an 8/10 who likes to orchestrate the attacking play slightly further up the pitch, Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta is the perfect version of how this works and even united in our best periods of 07/08-10/11 had Hargreaves/Carrick Scholes/Anderson or Park Ji Sung/D Fletcher as our 6 midfield options that won the CL that year.

And whilst I accept Scholes was in a class of his own and Carrick and Hargreaves both more mobile and younger than Casemiero, I see a lot of Darren Fletcher in Scott Mctominay, I’m not saying he’s a starter but I’m saying we should use him more if he’s happy to be a squad player!
 
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
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See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
 
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4-4-2 with him and Hojlund up front. Kick it up to them, none of these new age tactics malarkey.
 
I think the reason he does well is when in midfield he can arrive later in the box and or have time taking shots on the edge of the box. We don’t cross much first time as a team, but with inverted wingers crossing after cutting back, I can see his strength in the air being an asset.
 
Leethal said:
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
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See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
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:lol:
 
Woziak said:
You can only play a 4-1-2-3 with the right three in midfield you must have a dominant mobile CDM like Casemiro in his prime, Kante in his prime of right now Camavinga, Rice, Caciedo type( Hopefully Kobie will develop into a player that good!) but then you need slightly different skill sets in your two advanced midfielders, one will be BTB and likes to get on the ball almost like a Libero and the other is an 8/10 who likes to orchestrate the attacking play slightly further up the pitch, Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta is the perfect version of how this works and even united in our best periods of 07/08-10/11 had Hargreaves/Carrick Scholes/Anderson or Park Ji Sung/D Fletcher as our 6 midfield options that won the CL that year.

And whilst I accept Scholes was in a class of his own and Carrick and Hargreaves both more mobile and younger than Casemiero, I see a lot of Darren Fletcher in Scott Mctominay, I’m not saying he’s a starter but I’m saying we should use him more if he’s happy to be a squad player!
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I think a lot of what you’ve said applies to a traditional view of formations. The balanced midfield three is very much what coaches looked for in the past. And the more quality and versatility you have is still welcome.

I don’t think it applies so much to modern formations and not really to EtH’s 4141.

We’re not properly practiced in executing it yet but with Mount and Bruno pushed right up and pressing high, it leaves a large gap behind them and, it seems, Casemiro left with far too much ground to cover. However, when the system is working properly, one of the CBs steps into midfield and/or one of the FBs, to help Case and fill that space. The wingers have responsibility to be aware of space on their flank and move back as required. It’s not easy for the players to recognise the triggers for changing position but eventually they’ll get it.

One benefit of the system is that you get more use out of your FBs and CBs because they are always doing a job rather than staying in fixed roles and spending parts of the game inactive which tended to be the case in the past - especially with a traditional 4231 where the CBs spend half the game twiddling their thumbs. The other benefit is that you can commit more players to a high press and therefore play more of the game in your opponents’ half.

I like McT but using him more just won’t help us imo. And also he is nowhere close to the player Fletcher was. Different in style but also quite far below in quality.
 
Leethal said:
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
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See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
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:lol:
 
Leethal said:
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
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See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
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With such a wonderful grasp on Lexicon, why didn't you just use another word? It would have been perfectly cromulent.
 
Leethal said:
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
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:lol: :lol:

To the RedCafe Memes thread!
 
Honestly, if when Rasmus is injured, I'd like to see it. Much rather him than Martial.
 
Can't hurt to try if other things are working. What the worst that happens, it doesn't work either?
 
Leethal said:
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
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See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
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Why is there an apostrophe after 'Here' ?


I think that undermines your claim of better comprehension, so the warning stands.
 
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Leethal said:
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
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This is brilliant. :lol:
 
Leethal said:
Before the moderators want to issue me a warning for the use of the word abortion, (in my description of the transfer for Mount), I think they need to actually understand the word has more than one meaning? My use of the word 'abortion' is absolutely apt, and in line with my opinion. It is definitely appropriate, considering my stance on the transfer.

At least google the word.

Here', I'll help:

abortion
noun
  1. 1.
    the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
    "concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

    Similar:
    termination
    miscarriage
    feticide

  2. 2.
    an object or undertaking that is unpleasant or badly made or carried out.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

See? I think the transfer is "an undertaking" that is badly carried out. And as you can see, the definition fits in line with my opinion.

The warning should be rescinded, based on the fact that whomever issued it, has a poor vocabulary and is too lazy to investigate the actual definition of the word before arbitrarily dishing out 'warnings'. I should not be punished/censured, for having a better comprehension of the English language than the moderator who issued it.
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The admin that issued the warning should be banned, it's only fair.
 
moses said:
Why is there an apostrophe after 'Here' ?


I think that undermines your claim of better comprehension, so the warning stands.
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Embarrassment. And this is the guy moderating this forum?

Handing out ‘warnings’ because you’re not intelligent enough to understand that a word has multiple meanings.

What a joke.
 
FriedClams said:
With such a wonderful grasp on Lexicon, why didn't you just use another word? It would have been perfectly cromulent.
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Why should I have to dumb down my posts, just in case those reading it aren’t very clever?

The wording I used is appropriate, given the context. And I’d use it again. It’s not up to me to appease the stupid.
 
V.O. said:
goat herders
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Never heard anyone call Spain by that name before.

And don't be such a snob. We were outplayed by Wolves, for fecks sake.

We're hardly peak Brazil. More like peak Bradford.
 
Some of the reactions to the Mount transfer here are absurd. It's the 10th of September and he's played 2 or 3 games during a rough period for the team, I'll admit that he hasn't shone but the way some people are going on you'd think we'd signed Joey Deacon not a 24 year old England international that's been a success at the highest level.
 
foolsgold said:
Some of the reactions to the Mount transfer here are absurd. It's the 10th of September and he's played 2 or 3 games during a rough period for the team, I'll admit that he hasn't shone but the way some people are going on you'd think we'd signed Joey Deacon not a 24 year old England international that's been a success at the highest level.
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One of the major issues, I think, is that the transfer of Mount took up a large portion of our transfer budget and facilitated neglect in other areas.

If he was performing at an acceptable level prior to his transfer, the argument for his transfer might’ve held some weight. But the fact of the matter is, he has been poor for the good part of the last 18 months; and he comes here in the last year of his contract for £55m. Fans feel ‘fleeced’ based on our recent transfer history of overpaying for mediocrity, and since arriving, he’s done nothing to dispel those fears.
 
Leethal said:
One of the major issues, I think, is that the transfer of Mount took up a large portion of our transfer budget and facilitated neglect in other areas.

If he was performing at an acceptable level prior to his transfer, the argument for his transfer might’ve held some weight. But the fact of the matter is, he has been poor for the good part of the last 18 months; and he comes here in the last year of his contract for £55m. Fans feel ‘fleeced’ based on our recent transfer history of overpaying for mediocrity, and since arriving, he’s done nothing to dispel those fears.
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Agreed, we overpaid but that's not the players fault. I don't watch Chelsea on a regular basis but he's always looked tidy enough when I've seen him. We need to give him some time and space. I think he'll come good for us.

To answer the original question, should we play Mctominay upfront? no, but he's certainly more of an 8 than a 6 and I'd be ok with him getting more game time and getting further forward.
 
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