Is it time to burst “Rashy’s” bubble?

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Greenwood has shown some nice quick feet and dribbling skills. Hopefully he can get more time soon.

Rashford has turned out to be quite awful. No improvements, just more of the head down approach.

He can be useful against a better side on the counter but when facing lower teams he has nothing in his game to offer sadly. Feel we need to be a bit radical when we have a lot of possession utilizing Gomes Chong and Greenwood, they interchange well.
 
What I find concerning is not only his selfishness on the pitch, where his decision making is god awful. But he also appears to be one of the "senior" members of the team at 21, I don't see anyone calling him out on his shooting from 30 yards or lack of awareness/caring that a better option is on. He also absolutely does not have a strikers instinct in the box, which is a necessity when leading the line. I'm not even convinced he's a very good left sided player either. Again, the limelight and being made an integral member of the first team squad at such a young age without actually deserving it has really regressed him as a player mentally. He's got the attitude of a player who's already made it, which he has in every sense of the word because that's what Manchester United have given him.
 
Started reading the thread and thought it was created yesterday. Looks like he hasn’t moved forward.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
The bucks are irrelevant to the fact of his age and the consequences it holds....
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He is being paid that of an elite level player, all of who had less of the inconsistencies that Rashford has.

Mbappe is on another level, as was Neymar at 21 and Ronaldo at 21 yet he is being paid in the same tier as these guys.

I agree that at 21 there is going to be downs and it's still a learning curve but he actually seems to be regressing to me, his attitude is totally different to his LVG days.
 
POF said:
It's Ole's fault for playing him up front, when he's clearly a winger. Just like it was Jose's fault for playing him on the wing when he's clearly a striker.

Or maybe he's just an inexperienced kid who lacks consistently and maturity.
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Our only other striker is injured. Unless you count the 17 year old kid. You blame Ole for that?

I do blame Ole for his tactical mistakes but I can't imagine he wanted to start the season with 2 relatively inexperienced forwards and one 17 year old.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Our only other striker is injured. Unless you count the 17 year old kid. You blame Ole for that?

I do blame Ole for his tactical mistakes but I can't imagine he wanted to start the season with 2 relatively inexperienced forwards and one 17 year old.
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You didn't notice the sarcasm, especially with the sentence it was followed by?
 
Marcelinho87 said:
He is being paid that of an elite level player, all of who had less of the inconsistencies that Rashford has.

Mbappe is on another level, as was Neymar at 21 and Ronaldo at 21 yet he is being paid in the same tier as these guys.
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which does not matter in the slightest. He is STILL 21 with all the consequences that come with the age a Besides, this era has big time inflation. So I wouldn't give to Mich attention to the fees his paid. Of give it rather to the fact that he is 21 and potentially a great player. Rather than an elite talent who is simply tasked with fulfilling elite potential. Let him develop. He already has a stellar record for his age range.


Marcelinho87 said:
I agree that at 21 there is going to be downs and it's still a learning curve but he actually seems to be regressing to me, his attitude is totally different to his LVG days.
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People insist its attitude. I insist its simply his age. I'm far from worried about him.

Personally, Till his coaches and fellow players at club and international level question his attitude, I never will...
 
He knows he doesn't have to improve much to get paid more by United. Just do enough of the minimum requirement, like a government employee.

He just need to run down his 5 year contract, and as long as Ed is in charge, he'll get what he wants.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Yesterday we had no one taking away from Rashford any of his double markers. Hence he'd have had to be at apex form to escape them. He wasn't ....our number 10 conundrum is still costing us.
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What does that mean? Someone to physically take away one of the players marking him? Like a Fellaini? Rashford had 3-5 great crosses in dangerous areas where he should have been occupying. He was played through 2-4 times but messed up each time. He made the wrong decisions countless of times and lost the ball without pressure on him. He could have passed to Mata for an easy goal in the picture above. A nr.10 isn't going to help him with these things.
 
Isotope said:
He knows he doesn't have to improve much to get paid more by United. Just do enough of the minimum requirement, like a government employee.

He just need to run down his 5 year contract, and as long as Ed is in charge, he'll get what he wants.
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This is definitely not it and and just another pointless dig at Rashford and Woodward. If anything it's the opposite, he tries too hard and believes he can do things he just isn't really capable of doing bar the odd fluke (the last long range shot I remember leading to a goal was for England).

Edit: maybe PSG I can't remember which was first, it's still bad when you consider how many he has including free kicks.

Edit mark 2: the more I think about it this is on the manager, he should tell the lot of them to stop shooting in to players or from 60 yards out and get them to play football.
 
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Kurton said:
His bubble needs to be burst. But not in terms of putting his confidence down. Ole needs to sit him down, explain his limitations and tell him what he can and can't do on the pitch. That means no taking shots from 40 yards, no freekicks, that he might not play in the striker position, and that it's better he learn how to operate on the wings rather than cutting in and running at defenders all the time.

Ole seems to have given him free reigns, and it needs to stop for the betterment of the team.
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Yes, fully agree. And he needs to receive special training to learn to head the ball.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Our only other striker is injured. Unless you count the 17 year old kid. You blame Ole for that?

I do blame Ole for his tactical mistakes but I can't imagine he wanted to start the season with 2 relatively inexperienced forwards and one 17 year old.
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From what we’ve seen of Greenwood, he fully deserves a start. There’s no better time to do that than against Southampton, with Martial injured.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Watch the goal James scored. Mata took the attention of his marker, off the ball, freeing him the space to score. THAT is what it means..........
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Mata had a great game, still didn't help Rashford who had a very bad game despite actually getting on the ball a good share for a striker, if I'm not mistaken.
 
manunited1919 said:
From what we’ve seen of Greenwood, he fully deserves a start. There’s no better time to do that than against Southampton, with Martial injured.
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He looked good in his cameo. But if playing him backfired then no doubt Ole would be criticised for naively starting him over Rashford.
 
The main problem with Rashford for me is that he's trying too hard to add strings to his bow without perfecting the more important qualities first. I look at a strikers like Aubabmeyang and Vardy, they play the game according to their strengths and don't try to do things they aren't too good at.

Rashford's heading, hold up play and left foot are terrible for someone who's meant to be a striker yet it seems like he's more focused on being a set piece and long shot expert. It makes no sense.
 
It isn't poor decision making that makes Rashford an awful professional it's his general play, his pass, his movement, his IQ, his finishing. Richarlison for example is inconsistent he waste chances but his general play is better than Rashford imo. Marcus also plays with his head down. You have to consider that not one player has improved under Solskjaer so it can be a mixture between lack of coaching directives.
 
Wow that’s some serious hate for Rashford on here. I think so much can be corrected on the training pitch, but I never doubt for one second how talented he is. In my opinion he should continue to start every single game and be given the respect and patience from supporters that he deserves
 
El Jefe said:
The main problem with Rashford for me is that he's trying too hard to add strings to his bow without perfecting the more important qualities first. I look at a strikers like Aubabmeyang and Vardy, they play the game according to their strengths and don't try to do things they aren't too good at.

Rashford's heading, hold up play and left foot are terrible for someone who's meant to be a striker yet it seems like he's more focused on being a set piece and long shot expert. It makes no sense.
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The main problem with Rashford is the work he does off the ball when we are in possession. He's not a goalscorer because he doesn't have the instinct for goal. You don't see many United goals where there's a short sideways pass inside to box to a striker that's found some space. Rashford is quick and is a decent shot but he lacks the brains to properly become top class.

Personally I don't think of him as a striker at all and I think he'd be better off if we had a proper striker up top that makes the defenders work a little bit more for their paycheck than what we've seen in the last years. Rashford needs a bit of space to operate and he's unable to carve it out for himself as the lone striker.
 
No doubt he had a bad match, but he's young and that'll happen.

We're making a decision to go with youth - this is the downside of that.

We have no other options, we have to stick with Rashford for at least the next 6 months. He's undoubtedly talented, but I do wonder if the UK media has blown too much smoke up his $ss. Hopefully not, because he's all we've got.
 
Andy Parker said:
Wow that’s some serious hate for Rashford on here. I think so much can be corrected on the training pitch, but I never doubt for one second how talented he is. In my opinion he should continue to start every single game and be given the respect and patience from supporters that he deserves
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You, sir, are talking sense. Knee jerk reactions to a boy that has bags of potential but a dip in form. Once the team settles and finds some form he'll come good. He will come close to 20 goals this season.
 
MikeKing said:
Mata had a great game, still didn't help Rashford who had a very bad game despite actually getting on the ball a good share for a striker, if I'm not mistaken.
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Mata's only contribution to the match was creating the space for James' goal. He was huge part of the reason spaces kept opening up in midfield. Because Pogba was constantly forced to try and go higher up to do his job.

Rashford wasn't in top form neither But lack of a 10 did not help him.
 
Snow said:
The main problem with Rashford is the work he does off the ball when we are in possession. He's not a goalscorer because he doesn't have the instinct for goal. You don't see many United goals where there's a short sideways pass inside to box to a striker that's found some space. Rashford is quick and is a decent shot but he lacks the brains to properly become top class.

Personally I don't think of him as a striker at all and I think he'd be better off if we had a proper striker up top that makes the defenders work a little bit more for their paycheck than what we've seen in the last years. Rashford needs a bit of space to operate and he's unable to carve it out for himself as the lone striker.
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He doesn't need the natural instinct for goals to improve his goal getting. He simply needs to improve his striker runs. Especially in the box. Both of and on the ball. He and Martial miss out on loads of easy goals due to that weakness.
 
Andy Parker said:
Wow that’s some serious hate for Rashford on here. I think so much can be corrected on the training pitch, but I never doubt for one second how talented he is. In my opinion he should continue to start every single game and be given the respect and patience from supporters that he deserves
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Bizarre isn't it? If you'd follow some on this forum, you'd ship out every super talented under 21 for whichever journeyman has banged 15 league goals in the Bundesliga or Ligue 1 the previous season.
 
kouroux said:
A big fecking humble pie needs to be eaten. Ability is there but there is so (unsurprisingly) much immaturity to his game, it's frustrating. The FKs he takes, why ??? What do we let him think he can score from there ?
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He scored a cracker against Celta Vigo, and I think one against Cardiff last season as I remember, other than those I'm struggling to remember another success.
But that's not necessarily Rashford's fault, the coaches, the Manager or the Captain should be taking that responsibility away from him.
 
Ikon said:
He scored a cracker against Celta Vigo, and I think one against Cardiff last season as I remember, other than those I'm struggling to remember another success.
But that's not necessarily Rashford's fault, the coaches, the Manager or the Captain should be taking that responsibility away from him.
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I agree with that. A raw talent like that needs to be controlled otherwise he'll think he's too good and will try ridiculous stuff all the time.
 
El Jefe said:
The main problem with Rashford for me is that he's trying too hard to add strings to his bow .
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This is it. Hr's trying to be like Cristiano working on the shooting technique, penaltys and free-kicks without doing any work on his basic absility to control a football in tight areas, which he's absolutely shocking at. He's constantly losing the ball when under any pressure.

He has been completely mismanaged in this sense.
 
Marvin-ator said:
You, sir, are talking sense. Knee jerk reactions to a boy that has bags of potential but a dip in form. Once the team settles and finds some form he'll come good. He will come close to 20 goals this season.
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Knee jerk? That's the wrong word although I'm sure you already know that.
 
I would just love for a journalist to straight up ask Solskjaer why is he on free kicks? I want to hear the explanation.
 
POF said:
It's Ole's fault for playing him up front, when he's clearly a winger. Just like it was Jose's fault for playing him on the wing when he's clearly a striker.

Or maybe he's just an inexperienced kid who lacks consistently and maturity.
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Kid? Perhaps.

Inexperienced? Absolutely not. The fact is he's been playing long enough and had enough games. He will not become a much better player from here.

Remember: Players that play regular top level sport when they are young regress earlier than others.
 
Can't head the ball and not a natural goal scorer. He ain't a number 9. He's best coming in from the left.Unfortunately United now have James whose a better player and more suited to the left. His crosses in the second half would have been put away by a proper centre forward such as an Andy Cole, Van Nist, Van Persie etc...
 
bonothom said:
Can't head the ball and not a natural goal scorer. He ain't a number 9. He's best coming in from the left.Unfortunately United now have James whose a better player and more suited to the left. His crosses in the second half would have been put away by a proper centre forward such as an Andy Cole, Van Nist, Van Persie etc...
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Sorry, Rashford has his flaws but there is no way James is a better player.
 
200k a week should be the salary for a 20-25 goal a season striker. Rashford has never even seemed capable of getting those type of figures, and I still see nothing to suggest this will be the season he proves himself to be a top-class goalscoring striker. He'll be lucky to get 15 in the league.
 
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