Is Garnacho about to be "Cavanied"? | No

Vanrouge said:
So you're agreeing with lsd then? If the level of discourse on this forum is "a joke," as you believe, then it is indeed (according to you) at a similar level to that of the Daily Mail.
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No what is a joke is that you can't seem to have differing views and not extreme ones without being accused of being a daily mail reader by some posters. Is that the level of debate you want?
 
There should be nothing about this unless the presumed victim, Onana, feels he has been racially abused.
Garnacho obviously meant nothing bad from it.
 
I fully expect that some people are going to call Onana racist towards himself now.
That's how mental this has become.
 
Thank feck for Onana's common sense. It's too easy to hone in and magnify an innocuous mis-speak these days, rather than tackling fundamental issues and deeds.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
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That's quality. Good on Onana for coming out and doing this.

The other way of looking at it is that Garnacho made a post, saw how it could be interpreted out of context, and then deleted it quickly. There's zero malice involved. People make mistakes and I do genuinely believe this was innocent. Careless, yes. Naïve? Yes. Deliberately choosing to be racist towards a team mate? Absolutely not. Context is so important. No need for an issue to be created over this by the FA and I'll be so disappointed if something does happen.
 
The right on army will pay no heed to Onana's words. They are offended and that's all that matters.
 
VinchNow said:
There should be nothing about this unless the presumed victim, Onana, feels he has been racially abused.
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Look, this thing is simply ridiculous. And it's very much a sign of our times that something like this gets blown insanely out of proportion.

But what you say there still isn't true, and that should be pointed out: it's very dangerous to entertain the idea that "real" racism only exists when there is an obvious intent to offend and/or a target of racism "feels offended".
 
RedChisel said:
I always think incidents like this say more about those pointing fingers. They are the ones making the connection between a gorilla and a black man surely?
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This argument sometimes get made, and I don't really understand it. It's predicated on the idea that a person is oblivious to any and all historically racist tropes.

To explain it as an example, if you saw a white man aggressively making monkey noises and gestures at a black man, you would understand the racist intention yes? That doesn't mean you're a racist though would it?

Garnacho obviously wasn't being racist in this incident, but it is tone deaf, and I won't be surprised to see the FA warn/punish him. The reason being someone could be intentionally racist, and then hide behind the idea that they didn't mean for their comment to be racist, they were just making a light hearted comment to player x about watermelon, or some other object that has racist connotations in a certain context, but is otherwise benign.
 
RedChisel said:
The right on army will pay no heed to Onana's words. They are offended and that's all that matters.
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Do you think anyone is offended (or even pretending to be offended) in this thread?

Lots of people seem annoyed with a reaction from the FA, the media or "the right on army" which hasn't actually happened.
 
VinchNow said:
There should be nothing about this unless the presumed victim, Onana, feels he has been racially abused.
Garnacho obviously meant nothing bad from it.
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There's a pretty obvious issue with that rationale though.

Imagine a scenario where Player A posts/says something racially insensitive about his teammate, Player B. Even if Player B feels uncomfortable with what Player A did/said, he could easily feel under pressure to defend him or not to speak out against him as not doing so will hurt the team and cause issues in the dressing room. For that reason, the FA can't just rely on players speaking out against their teammates.

Also, prior judgements have made clear that whether Onana himself was offended isn't the issue, because this wasn't a private conversation between Garnacho and Onana. As the FA noted in relation to the Bernardo Silva incident:

It is clear that the tweet was intended to be no more than a joke between close friends. However, this was not a private jocular communication between two friends. The post was on a social media platform exposed to the 600,000 followers of a high-profile and well-respected professional footballer.
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There is no way Garnacho uses a Gorilla emoji if De Gea made that saved. It was a mistake and he should have thought before posting, but it is ban worthy imo, just hopefully for not more than a few games.
 
iammemphis said:
There is no way Garnacho uses a Gorilla emoji if De Gea made that saved. It was a mistake and he should have thought before posting, but it is ban worthy imo, just hopefully for not more than a few games.
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De Gea is built like a fishing rod.
 
Good response from Onana.

But you know guys, 3 match ban and social media backlash for 2 emojis...
 
Hammondo said:
But anyone black could take offence to this.
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They could also take offence to not being Reffered to as African American. People taking offence in something is their business, not everybody eles and it’s not up to everybody else to jump to every whimsical over reaction from tinternet police

Garnacho didn’t post anything racist, some people will want to interpret it that way, but it wasn’t a racist post, really is that simple.
 
Can something at United write an app for their players phones that prevents them posting the well know emojis and words that are likely to get them into bother. Please will someone actually do their jobs after the Cavani nonsense this should have been sorted.
 
This is absolute insanity that it's even a thing. It's a fecking gorilla emoji. Calm the feck down. He didn't call him a monkey. He didn't use it racially. It was meant as a strength symbol as gorillas are strong, that's how I read it. Anything coming of this is fecking crazy.
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
They could also take offence to not being Reffered to as African American. People taking offence in something is their business, not everybody eles and it’s not up to everybody else to jump to every whimsical over reaction from tinternet police

Garnacho didn’t post anything racist, some people will want to interpret it that way, but it wasn’t a racist post, really is that simple.
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Comparing a black person to a gorilla is not racist?
 
lex talionis said:
Obviously no malice was intended toward his teammate but it's not hard to see the FA throw the book at Garnacho, the fukks that the FA are.
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if he pleads ignorance/stupidity and shows them his prison break tattoo he has a strong case
 
Hammondo said:
Comparing a black person to a gorilla is not racist?
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He didn’t compare him to a gorilla , he compared him to something strong. Onana interpreted it that way, who cares how you interpreted it, it wasn’t meant for you.
 
If Garnacho gets a ban we should refuse to play the games he is banned for.

At a certain point you have to take a stand.

Garnacho clearly just meant Onana is a beast and was praising him. People are trying to see racism in that post where there is none.

Onana has no problem with it and that's the end of the matter for any sane person.
 
I regularly buy Gorilla Glue because it’s dam strong glue for fixing things. In fact it’s best I’ve ever bought. Its strength is optimised by its logo which is a prominent picture of a Gorilla. Gorillas have long been associated with brutal Strength so this utter nonsensical nonsense needs to stop now.
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
He didn’t compare him to a gorilla , he compared him to something strong. Onana interpreted it that way, who cares how you interpreted it, it wasn’t meant for you.
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There's so many emojis he could have used to compare Onana to ''something strong''. If you can't see how using the gorilla emoji would attract the wrong attention to him (he did, as he deleted it) then there's no point having a discussion with you.
 
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