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Ronaldo is a legend and he achieved amazing things with us, but he did much more at Real so...
Is Cristiano Ronaldo a United Legend?
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Ronaldo is a legend and he achieved amazing things with us, but he did much more at Real so...
No Sepp said a ton of things mainly that if a player wants to go he should be allowed to. There's no way to know if Ronaldo was alluding the slave comments or not.
It's clear you either didn't read my hypothetical or failed to understand it.
Because its perfectly logical and I'd go so far as to say it's insincere to not consider it. Does a players legendary status change because they achieved the heights early in their career before moving to another club? Does joining a team at the peak or end of a career and achieving things somehow place a player higher on the pedastal?
The only difference to me between the two is the emotional reaction of fans when a beloved player leaves their club for another.
I see you're changing your tune to makeup for the false claim. There's nothing to reason with here - you were perpetuating false information twisted by UK journos w an agenda against United back then and it's quite inappropriate to twist real events like that. Happening way too much online.
Edited: first paragraph for clarity
The slave comment was the literal headline of what Sepp spouted, and Ronaldo agreed.
If he disagrees with the headline then he doesn’t agree with the statements. Ostriching like this won’t help you.
Sepp said it's modern slavery not to be able to breach a contract and leave and Cristiano - having listened to those comments and in the process of throwing himself at Madrid - said "I agree with those comments".
The wording of this thread just reminds me ASIP when they are playing CharDeeMacDennis and Charlie forgot his own card of "Dennis is bas**rd man"
What do "UK journos" have to do anything? We are using Ronaldo's own words.
No your examples were horseshit and if anything highlight a lack of understanding of certain players who moved to another club but still maintain a legendary status at their mother club.
You're not some footballing Einstein, just an arrogant poster who seems to think they're operating on a higher plain, despite lacking the basic understanding of why a well decorated player isn't considered a legend at every club they've played for.
For example I class Beckham as a legend, despite him playing for various other clubs
You sound mad. I'm sorry I've upset you. Thought I was writing in direct language. Im not sure I could have softened the content any more.
They are the only ones I recall reporting misinformation about Ronaldo "saying" he was a slave. Wasn't a big surprise as they've got an agenda against United for as long as I've paid attention. They were also on his case and eagerly awaiting his departure from United both because it would made us less competitive and because of the WC wink gate.
You've not offended me, I just find your posts very condescending. Which considering the complete lack of understanding is rather ironic.
You've completely ignored points made which have been backed up with direct quotes, made bizzare strawman arguments and made factually incorrect or plain wrong comparisons to other players.
There are myriad reasons why players are regarded as legendary. By using your Buffon comparison, he moved up the proverbial ladder, as did Cruyff. Both players remained as loyal as can be expected to their mother clubs in that time, hence why they remained in high regard.
Compare that to some of the antics Ronaldo has displayed towards United and maybe consider why he isn't considered by many as a United legend.
Saying that you agree with someone calling you a slave is tantamount to calling yourself a slave.
There's nothing being twisted here, by the big bad journos with agendas. It's semantics. We have Ronaldo's own feelings about the slave remark. His own words.
Everyone agrees Eric Cantona is a club legend.
Appearances 181
Goals 81
Assists 62
3 League titles
Many dont think Ronaldo is.
Appearances 329
Goals 142
Assists 71
3 League titles
1 champions league
1 Ballon d'or
Massive Cantona fan but please explain?
Appearances 181
Goals 81
Assists 62
3 League titles
Many dont think Ronaldo is.
Appearances 329
Goals 142
Assists 71
3 League titles
1 champions league
1 Ballon d'or
Massive Cantona fan but please explain?
It's literally not his own words.
This is the problem with the modern day fan, everything comes down to stats
Except that the ones you mentioned left at the end of their careers, while Ronaldo left while he was entering his prime and spent his best years at another club.
Came back at the end of his career for a paycheck disguised as coming back to the club he loves.
Cantona has 4 league titles, 2 FA cups, I guess Cantona never left for another club and belongs to the United shirt. Retiring to be an actor is just bizarre cool to top it off
Think folks have very different understands of what makes a legend, in this thread.
How else could I have phrased my comments to be less provoking?
Woosh! We were talking about if Cristiano's early years with us had been these last few years.
You reckon Perez would let go of THAT Ronaldo. No way. As it turns out, they got the timing spot on.
If you cannot score a January hat trick on a frozen pitch at Burnley, your not fit to wear the shirt.
Legend. What legend?
I think that's completely fair. Legend status is just an opinion after all.
I just wish that there would be an admission that in many of these cases, not classing him a legend has nothing to do with what he achieved with the club and on the pitch. And that those same folks wouldn't dismiss those of that can look past those things to appreciate what the player achieved with the club.
I flipped the order specifically for the poster who was doing backflips with my question. So those are all quite similar:
Buffon left Parma in his prime after winning some major silverware.
Cruyuff left Ajax in his prime. Then actually went back in his past-it years, much like Ronaldo.
Nedved left Lazio in his prime.
I don't mind someone thinking Ronaldo isn't a United legend. My only qualm is it's disingenuous to say he's not a legend because he left in his prime or because he achieved more at another club. Those reasons to me seem personal and at that point I'd have more respect for someone saying Ronaldo's not a legend because they don't like him as a human or because they're bitter about him leaving their cherished club.
I have zero issues with Cristiano. I enjoyed the good times and knew they were going to end like they did. As you point out, regardless of whether it was loyalty or wanting his name on the world transfer record, he didn't play along with Real taking us to the cleaners. I also think he genuinely wanted to help us turn things around. Again, whether love for the club or himself is anyone's guess.
It's clear we need a reset without imposing unnecessary constraints on ETH. Cristiano won't work out for us and I'm glad he is taking that decision away from the hapless club leadership.
All that said, Cruyff is an Ajax legend and only becomes a Barcelona one as manager, not as player. As player he wasn't much more to them than Maradona, i.e. a great player whose signing was a massive statement but didn't make them any more successful.
I'm 54 yo but thanks for the compliment.
Stats isnt everything but its without doubt the main thing.
The problem with the older fan is everything is rose tinted. Thats until you watch an older game in full and think you are watching it on half speed
Im sure there will Real fans who think Ronaldo couldnt lace Puskas and Di Stefano's boots.
You can't throw a massive hissy fit about leaving the club twice and be considered a legend.
Many seem to think that ability is what makes a legend. I think longevity and behaviour matters more.
Gary Neville is a legend, even though he was one of the least talented ones at the time. He had the right attitude and mentality, played with the heart and always put the club before himself.
Ronaldo could do more with the football when he was 4 than Neville could during his prime, still i don't think many would disagree that Neville is a United legend.
Not sure if that makes sense to anyone, couldn't find a good way to word it :P
Ronaldo when he first joined us:
Ronaldo on he's return:
Ronaldo on he's return:
Ronaldo won his first Ballon D'or while he was with us. from 2006-2009 was a good chunk of his prime imo. Fine if you don't think he's a legend but people make it sound like he was a nobody here and then became a star for Madrid
"I agree with his statement" are literally his words.
I kinda disagree, I think legend status should have an agreed upon criteria that should be used.
The same way any given club decided who they should make a statue of our something similar.
I think achievements are one aspect of said criteria, while the loyalty aspect should definitely also be part of it, others may have additional aspects to it.
I am a huge Ronaldo fan but this has definitely put me off what he's time with us has been. The fact that he wanted to join City should already have soured it for me, but gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now at the first time of asking, wanting to leave because he'd prefer to chase he's CL stats over he's commitment to us...yeah that doesn't sit right with me at all.
I honestly can't put him in a category of legend for United. One of the best to ever play for us and immense in he's contributions during he's first time here, but that just makes him part of what made us so successful but the other aspects are lacking.
"I am a slave" are not and never were the words of Ronaldo.
you open it up to the interpretation of someone else's words.
Saying that he agrees that he's a slave is tantamount to saying he's a slave.
No interpretation needed. He directly addressed Blatter's words and explicitly said that he agreed with them.
This is like if you dated a supermodel, and after she dumps you, you say "she was never a supermodel".
Sepp Blatter himself has gone back on his own words to make amends for speaking our his rear and using such a ridiculous comparison.
You can call Ronaldo a clown for not distancing from the specific language Sepp used. But Sepp wasn't even talking about Ronaldo specifically.
So if you really are intent on sticking to it, the accurate misrepresentation - my first intended oxymoron - of that is
"Ronaldo agrees that many players are contracted to their clubs as if they were slaves". He never agrees that he himself is one. He agrees with Fat Blatter's broad statement about a lot of players.
Why are you guys so stuck on this factually incorrect subject? Every way you spin it, you're literally misquoting or misrepresenting two different individuals.
Edit: bolded the part for cafe stars that miss crucial words in posts, intentionally or not.
The reason they are stuck is because it makes for some good drama and plays into their own agendas.
What's weird is how Sir Alex a manager who was known to have a problem with many players, even disciplined ones, to this day respects Ronaldo and thinks he was the most professional player he had. But no some clickbaity articles probably present the situation better.
This is a very reasonable opinion and I don't have a lot to disagree about other than I have a different sort of tolerance on Ronaldo's indiscretions. I wonder if I'd feel differently if Wayne hadn't openly flirted with City. As far as I'm aware, City and Ronaldo was all just agent talk to get a deal moving. I also have a soft spot because despite the incidents and rumors, Ronaldo has openly said he loves the club and it's fans and SAF. And he did come back to us after all.
The first point you make is an interesting one - should there be a consensus. Generally it's not very hard to have a consensus but Ronaldo's got a very divided fanbase on the cafe. I'm not convinced that for many that division is as well articulated an emotion as yours. You've pin pointed exactly the part about Ronaldo that keeps him from your legend list. But based on many of the other comments I see a lot of folks that are projecting the pain of having a tough decade as a United fan onto the fact that Ronaldo left and took Madrid back to the top. It's heavily tinged with blame and resentment as if Ronaldo leaving was why United has failed and he should have stayed.
Sigh, I'm more and more feeling you're correct. Might need to take a step away from this thread
No it isn’t. No one’s saying he wasn’t a top player for us.