Irish Politics

Not really politics but horrible news from Donegal today. Been to Cresslough many times and this will be hard to recover from
 
A nation mourns. Rest in peace, Bród.

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I think the first time I met Derek was in a pub in Dublin. Neither of us were there to drink or socialise. On the occasions we spoke, I felt he was very genuine. I'm sorry he has passed away.
 


I think the first time I met Derek was in a pub in Dublin. Neither of us were there to drink or socialise. On the occasions we spoke, I felt he was very genuine. I'm sorry he has passed away.


Hope this doesn’t come across as me being a smartarse because I’m genuinely curious and feel bad about derailing a heartfelt post. What were the pair of ye doing in a pub if you weren’t there to drink or socialise?
 
Hope this doesn’t come across as me being a smartarse because I’m genuinely curious and feel bad about derailing a heartfelt post. What were the pair of ye doing in a pub if you weren’t there to drink or socialise?

No, not at all.

If memory serves me correctly he was attending a local Fine Gael meeting and I was involved with a drama group. Both groups were using the closed nightclub upstairs. I don't remember how we got introduced.
 
Hope this doesn’t come across as me being a smartarse because I’m genuinely curious and feel bad about derailing a heartfelt post. What were the pair of ye doing in a pub if you weren’t there to drink or socialise?
My first thought was cottaging, but I've learned to wait before posting.
 
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...uild-630m-limerick-facility-and-add-600-jobs/

Say what you want about FFG, and I can’t stand them, but their strategy over the years of enticing companies over like this has been outstanding and it’s great to see it now being spread outside of Dublin.
Ireland’s future looks bright
Sure does, well, apart from housing, homelessness, healthcare, the environment, cost of living, public infrastructure, unaffordable childcare, lack of GP's, lack of dentists, lack of teachers, lack of junior doctors.

But other than that, everything looks great!

At least we'll have that extra €65bn to spend on.. err.. something like what Norway do, was it?
 
Sure does, well, apart from housing, homelessness, healthcare, the environment, cost of living, public infrastructure, unaffordable childcare, lack of GP's, lack of dentists, lack of teachers, lack of junior doctors.

But other than that, everything looks great!

At least we'll have that extra €65bn to spend on.. err.. something like what Norway do, was it?
Oh I agree but we’d be absolutely fecked without this investment.
Hoping we start looking inward now. Especially with this talk of a sovereign wealth fund being presented
 
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...uild-630m-limerick-facility-and-add-600-jobs/

Say what you want about FFG, and I can’t stand them, but their strategy over the years of enticing companies over like this has been outstanding and it’s great to see it now being spread outside of Dublin.
Ireland’s future looks bright
Meh. I'm not sure offering a tax rate of 0.001% is especially clever or impressive.
And as Massive Spanner says their inability to maintain a single public service means the money has feck all value to the wider public.
 
Oh I agree but we’d be absolutely fecked without this investment.
Hoping we start looking inward now. Especially with this talk of a sovereign wealth fund being presented
There was a great article on the Times recently about how they've made the country filthy rich but have absolutely no idea what to do with the money, which I thought was quite apt. We've pumped astonishing amounts of cash into stuff like our health service and yet it's worse than ever. I don't trust them with that €65bn at all.
 
There was a great article on the Times recently about how they've made the country filthy rich but have absolutely no idea what to do with the money, which I thought was quite apt. We've pumped astonishing amounts of cash into stuff like our health service and yet it's worse than ever. I don't trust them with that €65bn at all.
Funnily enough it’s been reported that lack of accommodation has even been holding back the growth of big companies expanding here simply because they haven’t got anywhere for their employees to rent.
 
Leo making an arse off himself once again. These little snipes at SF just come off as childish and weak to me, even without the accusations of ablism he's left himself open up here. Does it play to FG voters?

 
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Leo tanking FG has never had enough attention brought to it.
The electorate he was left with to what it is now is shocking, he should have been ousted years ago
 
Have to say I’m struggling to maintain the level of outrage at the RTE payments scandal that the non-stop coverage seems to demand of me. Like it’s obviously extremely dodgy bordering on disgraceful, but I can’t help thinking it’s just a drop in the ocean of actual level of corruption that goes on in this country, and that many currently pointing fingers are likely involved in similar or worse stuff.

Be delighted if it means we never see or hear from Tubridy ever again though. And no way I’m paying the TV license until the fallout settles one way or the other.
 
Have to say I’m struggling to maintain the level of outrage at the RTE payments scandal that the non-stop coverage seems to demand of me. Like it’s obviously extremely dodgy bordering on disgraceful, but I can’t help thinking it’s just a drop in the ocean of actual level of corruption that goes on in this country, and that many currently pointing fingers are likely involved in similar or worse stuff.

Be delighted if it means we never see or hear from Tubridy everanal again though. And no way I’m paying the TV license until the fallout settles one way or the other.

Oh yeah, it's panto villain stuff. Much easier to deal, with than systemic root and branch analysis.

Paint a few villains, villify them, have a public shaming and do absolutely nothing structurally or to alter the age old culture of corruption we have here.
 
Yeah I dunno, we're all supposed to be shocked that RTE are corrupt and that they have basically an incred culture of promotion where you get by by knowing someone? No shit. Wasn't Tubz grandad a real high up there back in the day anyway?

Sure we've all been saying for years the idea that the likes of him and Darcy need to be paid hundreds of thousands to stop the Beeb/ITV coming after them is bananas, they're talentless hacks. Tubz went over to the UK to work for the Beeb back in 2015 for a few weeks hoping to get his big break and got absolutely nowhere for feck sake.

But it's an easy win for FFG right now, they'll look like the good guys going in hard on the corrupt broadcaster and setting the right example, when the cnuts are just as corrupt or more corrupt themselves.
 
Yeah I dunno, we're all supposed to be shocked that RTE are corrupt and that they have basically an incred culture of promotion where you get by by knowing someone? No shit. Wasn't Tubz grandad a real high up there back in the day anyway?

Sure we've all been saying for years the idea that the likes of him and Darcy need to be paid hundreds of thousands to stop the Beeb/ITV coming after them is bananas, they're talentless hacks. Tubz went over to the UK to work for the Beeb back in 2015 for a few weeks hoping to get his big break and got absolutely nowhere for feck sake.

But it's an easy win for FFG right now, they'll look like the good guys going in hard on the corrupt broadcaster and setting the right example, when the cnuts are just as corrupt or more corrupt themselves.

Tubridy is a Blackrock College boy and related to the Fianna Fail Andrews clan, one of whom is David McSavage, so when he slags off people, remember it's from a position of extreme privilege. Hateful bunch the lot of them.
 
Tubridy is a Blackrock College boy and related to the Fianna Fail Andrews clan, one of whom is David McSavage, so when he slags off people, remember it's from a position of extreme privilege. Hateful bunch the lot of them.
Yeah I knew that all right.

It's very difficiult to get anywhere in Irish media without knowing anyone. I've friends who tried to break in but without connections, it's hopeless. Sure look at yer man who won Love Island a few years ago, not one bit of experience in him when it came to media yet RTE had him presenting on the radio within a few weeks of the win.

I've said for years that RTE need to step back to a single channel and radio station and just focus on news, live sports, and current affairs (which they're relatively good at). Stop with the crappy programming and spending millions on American/British TV we've all seen on streaming sites by then anyway. Whole thing is a farce at the moment. At least they can't come running for a bigger license fee for a while now like they'd been trying.
 
Yeah I knew that all right.

It's very difficiult to get anywhere in Irish media without knowing anyone. I've friends who tried to break in but without connections, it's hopeless. Sure look at yer man who won Love Island a few years ago, not one bit of experience in him when it came to media yet RTE had him presenting on the radio within a few weeks of the win.

I've said for years that RTE need to step back to a single channel and radio station and just focus on news, live sports, and current affairs (which they're relatively good at). Stop with the crappy programming and spending millions on American/British TV we've all seen on streaming sites by then anyway. Whole thing is a farce at the moment. At least they can't come running for a bigger license fee for a while now like they'd been trying.

It's just the lack of will and poor recruitment and yes, nepotism. RTE is a wasteland for creativity.

We need it, but we need it to be much better.
 
Surely Tubbs will just take up one of those mega offers from the UK that RTE said was the reason they had to pay him so much?

Let's sit and wait for the impending bidding war for his services...
 
There needs to be a criminal investigation at this stage, the entire organisation needs to be audited and the relevant action then taken
 
Tubridy is a Blackrock College boy and related to the Fianna Fail Andrews clan, one of whom is David McSavage, so when he slags off people, remember it's from a position of extreme privilege. Hateful bunch the lot of them.
Good post. What a condescending wanjer - full of himself, tiresome, making profit on the pain of others. I hope we never have to endure him again.
 
Surely Tubbs will just take up one of those mega offers from the UK that RTE said was the reason they had to pay him so much?

Let's sit and wait for the impending bidding war for his services...

I was working on his last show, he was literally clapped off set by frothing twats, while he was riding a vespa U2 bought for him as a thanks for his services. Let all of that sink in.
 
There needs to be a criminal investigation at this stage, the entire organisation needs to be audited and the relevant action then taken

It won't work presently as it doesn't stop at the gates to Montrose. If it's not from government, and for that we need a change of government, then it's not going to happen.
 
I was working on his last show, he was literally clapped off set by frothing twats, while he was riding a vespa U2 bought for him as a thanks for his services. Let all of that sink in.

:lol: ah, man.

I'd say Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton are absolutely shitting themselves.
 
:lol: ah, man.

I'd say Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton are absolutely shitting themselves.
That's the gas thing, if you're actually talented enough like Norton or Terry Wogan, you really think the UK media wouldn't snap 'em up? They love a good Irish host for feck sake.

Kielty, who actually did break the UK, getting almost half the salary of Tubridy tells all really :lol:

Joe Duffy gets €300k for presenting five hours of radio a week lads.
 
I really hope this results in RTE collapsing. For news, I do think it does pretty well, but the pushing of psuedo-celebrity gowlbags like Vogue Williams, articles like this shit and this whole page the jobs for the boys is nauseating. The gall of them to be asking to increase license fees just a few days prior to the scandal breaking is gas also.
 
I really hope this results in RTE collapsing. For news, I do think it does pretty well, but the pushing of psuedo-celebrity gowlbags like Vogue Williams, articles like this shit and this whole page the jobs for the boys is nauseating. The gall of them to be asking to increase license fees just a few days prior to the scandal breaking is gas also.

It’s not my bag but I’m not seeing what gets you so angry about the content you linked? It’s not exactly the Daily Mail. No matter what you or I enjoy reading I reckon there’s a big chunk of RTE license payers who would lap that crap up.
 
Can’t remember which thread I got in a row with someone about our “extremely right wing” Irish government but I’ll assume it’s this one.

So we all know that an open door immigration policy is contributing to people (well, scumbags) literally burning shit up in protest. We’ve also been ahead of the curve with legislative changes about gay marriage (once we finally shook off the shackles of the Catholic Church) and there’s no hint of the anti-trans rhetoric we’ve recently seen from government in the US or Uk. Oh and our Taoiseach (who I don’t like, for the record), has been one of the most outspoken critics of Israel’s recent behaviour of any world leader. The same guy who inherited his job as leader from the gay son of Indian immigrants.

Now today I’m reading the following about our taxation policies. Data produced by an independent think tank.

In its paper on income tax, the TSG noted that Ireland had one of the most progressive income tax systems “in the developed world”. By way of illustration, it noted that the top 10 per cent of earners here (those earning over €102,000 annually) will pay about 63 per cent of all the income tax and USC (universal social charge) collected this year, while the top 1 per cent (those earning €290,000 and above) will pay 24.4 per cent. At the same time, those earning less than €69,000, representing the bottom 80 per cent of earners, would contribute just 21 per cent of total income tax and USC receipts.

It also noted that 7 per cent of earners, equating to 251,000 “taxpayer units”, are exempt from income tax entirely. And while 64 per cent will pay the standard 20 per cent rate of income tax, a significant portion (about one million) will have their income tax liability covered by their tax credits. That means at least 1.2 million workers (or roughly one-third of the State’s workforce) are effectively outside the income tax net.

To be honest, I’m not too fussed about 90% of the annual income tax take coming from just 11% of the working population. Or the fact that 33% of the working population effectively pay no tax at all. I’m in favour of progressive taxation and we seem more progressive than most. So that’s all good.

What I really struggle with is the notion that we have a particularly right wing government. In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Or am I missing something? Guilty as charged when it comes to incompetence and terrible use of public funds. But where’s the evidence that any of their policies are those of right wingers?

EDIT: Hmmm.. those %’s don’t add up. Oh well you get the picture. I got all the info here.
 
Can’t remember which thread I got in a row with someone about our “extremely right wing” Irish government but I’ll assume it’s this one.

So we all know that an open door immigration policy is contributing to people (well, scumbags) literally burning shit up in protest. We’ve also been ahead of the curve with legislative changes about gay marriage (once we finally shook off the shackles of the Catholic Church) and there’s no hint of the anti-trans rhetoric we’ve recently seen from government in the US or Uk. Oh and our Taoiseach (who I don’t like, for the record), has been one of the most outspoken critics of Israel’s recent behaviour of any world leader. The same guy who inherited his job as leader from the gay son of Indian immigrants.

Now today I’m reading the following about our taxation policies. Data produced by an independent think tank.



To be honest, I’m not too fussed about 90% of the annual income tax take coming from just 11% of the working population. Or the fact that 33% of the working population effectively pay no tax at all. I’m in favour of progressive taxation and we seem more progressive than most. So that’s all good.

What I really struggle with is the notion that we have a particularly right wing government. In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Or am I missing something? Guilty as charged when it comes to incompetence and terrible use of public funds. But where’s the evidence that any of their policies are those of right wingers?

EDIT: Hmmm.. those %’s don’t add up. Oh well you get the picture. I got all the info here.

We don't have a right wing government but they are right of centre, certainly right of centre as far as Ireland is concerned. They're probably considered left wing when compared to the rest of Europe due to the shift to the right but as far as I recall this was explained to you at the time. From memory, which is clearly fallible, I don't believe anyone said our govt were right wing in the modern sense.


Funnily enough, and it was probably off the bat of those stats, my brother sent me an article where an economist was trying to claim that our highest earners paid too much tax. He sent me this screenshot which is a beauty of an exercise in cognitive dissonance

 
We don't have a right wing government but they are right of centre, certainly right of centre as far as Ireland is concerned. They're probably considered left wing when compared to the rest of Europe due to the shift to the right but as far as I recall this was explained to you at the time. From memory, which is clearly fallible, I don't believe anyone said our govt were right wing in the modern sense.


Funnily enough, and it was probably off the bat of those stats, my brother sent me an article where an economist was trying to claim that our highest earners paid too much tax. He sent me this screenshot which is a beauty of an exercise in cognitive dissonance


I’ve already been told, multiple times, that we have a right wing government. So thanks for doing that again. Although I guess conceding that they’re not actually right wing “in the modern sense” (whatever that means) is at least a slight change in tack.

I was hoping for some evidence of them being right wing though. Because, as I said, all available evidence - in terms of actual government policy - seems to point in the opposite direction. We’re a country of open borders, big government, extremely progressive taxation, free healthcare and education, a liberal approach to LGBTQ issues and a comprehensive social safety net. Are you aware of any specific policies that you think are right or centre? There must be a few, right?

I’m not really seeing the cognitive dissonance in the screenshot either. It’s just more evidence of high earners paying a much bigger chunk of the overall income tax take. There’s a separate issue about the morals of some sectors offering enormous wages compared to others (and the consequences of this in terms of housing etc) but that’s got nothing to do with income tax.
 
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