Irish Politics

This door to door canvassing is getting right up me hole. Im sick of it, and as for that Paul Murphy fella...his posters make me laugh, the man seems like a joke...
 
Joan Burton just compared Eamon Gilmore to Obama - Welcome to Irish Politics people.
 
I'm guessing this is a spoiled vote?

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I and all belonging to me as well gave our No.1 to Dermot Connolly (Sinn Féin) in our constituency and for a good reason too so I was delighted when I heard he got through on the first count today.
 
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Is it just me or does that look like he used a conformation picture as his poster picture and he he is now in the cork city council For Sinn Fein.
 
So, Ming Flanagan is on his way to Europe....:lol:
 
I reckon the McConville case had at least some effect in the end, Sinn Fein getting a little over 15% in the locals when they were polling at between 20 and 23%. There seems to be a perception that they usually underperform their polls but looking back on pre-election opinion polls, that doesn't bear out. Maybe there was also the thing of "well I'll support the party I normally do for the locals because X looks after me but I'll still vote Sinn Fein in the general" because RTE had a poll saying if there was a general tomorrow they'd be on 19%.

Still, not sure if I see a proper route to government for them unless they beat out FF and FG. I suppose ideally I'd want Sinn Fein/Labour/Greens/lefty independents but not sure how that would work in practice. Could well be a civil war kiss-and-make-up between the two big boys.
 
Feeky Magee said:
I reckon the McConville case had at least some effect in the end, Sinn Fein getting a little over 15% in the locals when they were polling at between 20 and 23%. There seems to be a perception that they usually underperform their polls but looking back on pre-election opinion polls, that doesn't bear out. Maybe there was also the thing of "well I'll support the party I normally do for the locals because X looks after me but I'll still vote Sinn Fein in the general" because RTE had a poll saying if there was a general tomorrow they'd be on 19%.

Still, not sure if I see a proper route to government for them unless they beat out FF and FG. I suppose ideally I'd want Sinn Fein/Labour/Greens/lefty independents but not sure how that would work in practice. Could well be a civil war kiss-and-make-up between the two big boys.
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I was hearing rumour of a FF SF coalition.
 
Don't think a change of party leader is going to do anything for them beyond allowing them to start talking about "change", "a new approach" and other meaningless buzzwords.

Ultimately FG and Labour are taking heat because people don't like austerity and that isn't going to change. Labour take the particular brunt of the anger as we for some reason tend to blame the smaller party in the coalition. How having Joan Burton in charge would change that is beyond me.

I still think FG will lead the next government fwiw. I suspect at least an element of these results are down to the standard anti-government vote that tends to die down a bit once people are given the chance to actually put someone else in their place.

SF's links to a violent past will continue to hinder them to a certain degree but I'd imagine it'll be their economic policies that do the most damage. That aspect will come under more and more focus as we approach a GE. I think the economy will still be the critical issue as far as the electorate is concerned and we have a very centerist electorate so...
 
sullydnl said:
Don't think a change of party leader is going to do anything for them beyond allowing them to start talking about "change", "a new approach" and other meaningless buzzwords.

Ultimately FG and Labour are taking heat because people don't like austerity and that isn't going to change. Labour take the particular brunt of the anger as we for some reason tend to blame the smaller party in the coalition. How having Joan Burton in charge would change that is beyond me.

I still think FG will lead the next government fwiw. I suspect at least an element of these results are down to the standard anti-government vote that tends to die down a bit once people are given the chance to actually put someone else in their place.

SF's links to a violent past will continue to hinder them to a certain degree but I'd imagine it'll be their economic policies that do the most damage. That aspect will come under more and more focus as we approach a GE. I think the economy will still be the critical issue as far as the electorate is concerned and we have a very centerist electorate so...
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Labour made a few stupid promises to their voters that were complete lies. "There will be no water charges" was the main one, and I think that ultimately will have cost them most of their voters. I agree re Bruton. That's just replacing like for like. She's as useless and uninspiring as Gilmore. She wants to take money off the ordinary, broke worker and give it to the people who refuse to work as well, so I can't see how she will get the voters backing Labour again.

The Sinners are getting so many votes from the working class it's unreal. People don't realise that everything they complain about down here are the same things that they implement and support in the north.
 
Reasons for voting for Fianna Fail:

1. Name recognition
2. We're a "Fianna Fail family"


Fine Gael/Labour are doing a shit job, so what do the majority of people do? Vote for a party which did an even shittier job. Gotta love politics.
 
There's been precious little analysis of the looks of the candidates. Politics is normally the preserve of the fat, ugly and dentally handicapped, but unbelievably, some moderately attractive women (and men) ran this year.

Laura Reid, who's running in my constituency, is actually not bad (although her poster was perhaps airbrushed). There was also a red-haired girl whose name escapes me. She looked like the type of cailin that De Valera imagined dancing at the crossroads to harps and fiddles and shit.
 
This was not Leaders’ Questions as we know it – it was an unprecedented situation in the Dáil
Taoiseach and Fianna Fáil leader put Sinn Féin leader in spotlight over Cahill allegations

And they wanted to know why Gerry Adams and Sinn Féin should feel entitled not to be examined in the same way that the Church and other bodies were investigated when it emerged they ignored cases of abuse to protect their institutional reputations.
Gerry Adams was surrounded by his colleagues , with Mary Lou McDonald to his left. And they looked rattled.

When Enda Kenny questioned her “blind allegiance” to her leader, she slowly shook her head. As the session unwound and Adams rose to defend himself, his party, the IRA and “republicans” in general, you could almost feel the anger and resentment radiating from their ranks.

Adams sounded hurt and outraged almost to the point of becoming emotional.



Slur
To shouts of “shame” from around the chamber, he said the Taoiseach had “cast a slur on thousands of decent Irish republicans”. “Republicans are no different to any other Irish citizens,” he added
But as he read his script and issued an all-encompassing apology for any wrongs that might have been done by IRA members (who apparently were only trying to do the decent thing by responding to requests for help from ordinary people), the look of silent disgust on the faces of most of the non-Sinn Féin TDs told its own story.

And, of course, times were different during the war. (Maíria Cahill’s ordeal happened in 1997.)

“I have set out the circumstances in the North when there was no democratic civic policing service” explained Adams. What is needed now is a “victim-centred approach.”

Some of comments were treated with outright derision, like when he declared: “I refute the allegations that have been made about me and about other Sinn Féin members who assure me that all they did in their engagements, conversations and work with Maíria Cahill . . .”

“Work? Ha!” snorted Fianna Fáil’s Michael McGrath. But Sinn Féin – including their young political stars who are too young to know – were fuming, in full post-Vietnam vet mode. They just stopped short of shouting . “It was a war, man! You weren’t there!” Most of the TDs in the chamber had read of Gerry’s blog – in between teddy bear tweets and the like – at the weekend.

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Here’s a sample: “But these actions were of their time and reflected not only a community at war but also an attitude within Ireland which did not then understand or know as we now do, how deeply embedded abuse is in our society . . . as society became better informed as to the issue and handling of abuse, republicans began to develop victim-centred approaches.”
And we were transported back to other difficult days, in wood-panelled rooms in big parochial houses, when troubleshooting bishops spoke of different times and how nobody really knew about abuse and now that they do, they are really, really sorry.

As for those simple questions for Adams, put to him by the Taoiseach in the Dáil, there were no straight answers. In fact, the Sinn Féin leader insisted he had already “refuted” them. Refute means to prove – he offered little proof.

And what about the alleged abusers moved south of the Border, or “sent to another parish”, as Micheál Martin observed? “I don’t know” he said. All he knows is that decent volunteers have been done down by “sleeveen” Enda Kenny and Micheál Martin.

And them pure as the driven truck . . . laden with explosives with an innocent man chained to the steering wheel.
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I give you Irelands most popular party in all her glory.
 
Rape victim slams Sinn Fein Leader

Working mans party eh, I wonder what a $500 meal tastes like...

I'm sure Gerry spent most of the night explaining their proposals on wealth and corporation tax to all the elite New Yorkers in attendance, in between suggesting papers who criticise them should be stormed and have their presses broken of course.

The paragraph at the end sends shivers down my spine.
 
Eyepopper said:
Rape victim slams Sinn Fein Leader

Working mans party eh, I wonder what a $500 meal tastes like...

I'm sure Gerry spent most of the night explaining their proposals on wealth and corporation tax to all the elite New Yorkers in attendance, in between suggesting papers who criticise them should be stormed and have their presses broken of course.

The paragraph at the end sends shivers down my spine.
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Don't be so naive, don't you know they take the working mans Salary? And expenses... And Governmental Cars... And trips around the world...
 
Reds-of-Ulster said:
Don't be so naive, don't you know they take the working mans Salary? And expenses... And Governmental Cars... And trips around the world...
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Paupers they are.... only take the average industrial wage... the rest 'goes to the party' which I think goes towards Mary-Lou's make up bill or something.


Gerry's hand made suit was a donation to the cause in 1994, he wears a tracksuit most of the time.
 
Eyepopper said:
Paupers they are.... only take the average industrial wage... the rest 'goes to the party' which I think goes towards Mary-Lou's make up bill or something.


Gerry's hand made suit was a donation to the cause in 1994, he wears a tracksuit most of the time.
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Exactly, the rest of the wages go to other members in the party. Plus the millions of donations from America and elsewhere.

Aren't they the Richest party in Ireland?
 
Not sure but f they're raising a quarter of a million a night at these dinners I'd say it's a safe bet.
 


Jesus christ. Who put together this shower of shite? Paisley, Cameron and the Queen are more relevant than the people who died seemingly. Can you imagine Britain pulling this shit for memorials of the Somme and Ypres?
 
Lynk said:


Jesus christ. Who put together this shower of shite? Paisley, Cameron and the Queen are more relevant than the people who died seemingly. Can you imagine Britain pulling this shit for memorials of the Somme and Ypres?
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That is embarassing. Seriously, who is behind it?
 
Rory 7 said:
That is embarassing. Seriously, who is behind it?
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Fine Gael & Bórd Faílte.


Supposedly it's a good idea to market the event which set us on the path to independence. I expect the GPO to be renamed "The DHL Express Building"
 
Any Irish caftards thinking there will be a general election soon?
I don't think Kenny will last past Feb.
 
Crackers said:
Any Irish caftards thinking there will be a general election soon?
I don't think Kenny will last past Feb.
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Wonder how Sinn Fein would do if there was an election that early? I'd have thought they'd like a bit more time for the Gerry Adams stuff to die down.
 
sullydnl said:
Wonder how Sinn Fein would do if there was an election that early? I'd have thought they'd like a bit more time for the Gerry Adams stuff to die down.
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Sinn Fein in power scares me. I've always considered myself smack bang centre in policies and they're just too left. I'm not a fan of socialism for the masses. A bit of choice would be nice.
 
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