Pensioners get 230 a week and a lot of freebies while a young unemployed person gets 100. Not to attack the elderly but that annoys me.
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Ya there has to be some middle ground. Did you see that McGrath fella from Fianna Fáil earlier bringing up the letter that an unemployed construction worker received from the Social Welfare Department? The letter recommended some work in Canada, talk about sending out the wrong message. Ireland needs to hold on to its young people.
The logic is supposed to be that it encourages them to go on to further education, they don't seem to realise it will then encourage them to emigrate once they've received that education. Still, who needs an educated workforce?
Can someone help me out here...
I'm doing an internship with Jobsbridge...I finish in January. I will be 25 before Christmas.
The Social told me last week that my rate will be 188euro once my internship finishes...
So, does this cut in the rate affect me and everyone else currently on the dole/jobseekers etc? Or just new claimants?
I'm doing an internship with Jobsbridge...I finish in January. I will be 25 before Christmas.
The Social told me last week that my rate will be 188euro once my internship finishes...
So, does this cut in the rate affect me and everyone else currently on the dole/jobseekers etc? Or just new claimants?
That must be based on your stamps if you're getting €188. I don't think that that will be effected.
I don't think so. I was listening to George Hook on newstalk earlier, they've got some system set up where you can send in a question about how the budget, they have a load of experts working to get through them. Any of ye who have enquiries might send them in there, a friend of mine said it's pretty useful.
Newstalk are really good for the likes of that actually. George is a man of the people if ever there was one.
It's a quality station generally, the sports coverage is still good even with the old Off The Ball team gone.
So yez don't think it affects me?
Cheers for the Newstalk advice
Cheers for the Newstalk advice
So yez don't think it affects me?
Cheers for the Newstalk advice
Yeah. From what you're saying I'd say you're entitled to jobseekers benefit which is paid on the grounds of your PRSI contributions. I didn't know that you earned them on jobsbridge but if that's what they told you then you must do.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...nts/unemployed_people/jobseekers_benefit.html
Of course like most people on the dole you run out of your stamps. Then you are proper fecked anyway.
So basically if you're under 25 they want you to feck off, if youre over 65 they just want you to hurry up and die.
One of the interesting things about the dole is that because the rental market is booming, prices are still going up. It almost becomes a choice between eating and living in a bit of a shithole.
Yeah I have a house set to a girl who gets rent allowance, has 2 young kids and attends Uni.
Her rent allowance has gone from about €150 a week to a out €120, she's a good tenant so I cut her rent but where she'd be expected to find an extra €30 a week if I hadn't is anyone's guess.
Her rent allowance has gone from about €150 a week to a out €120, she's a good tenant so I cut her rent but where she'd be expected to find an extra €30 a week if I hadn't is anyone's guess.
In other news the fall out from the while Gerry Adams thing looks likes it going to run.
They were accused yesterday of having a special 'committee' to deal with sexual abuse. Could easily imagine the IRA policing incidents of it in certain communities but if it turns out Sinn Fein were directly involved it will be fun.
Not that we'll ever know anything SF dont want us to of course.
They were accused yesterday of having a special 'committee' to deal with sexual abuse. Could easily imagine the IRA policing incidents of it in certain communities but if it turns out Sinn Fein were directly involved it will be fun.
Not that we'll ever know anything SF dont want us to of course.
So Eamon Gilmore defends the welfare cut by saying young people shouldn't be sat in front of flat screen tvs. Fantastic, I'll just wander into one of the many jobs available...
It's one thing making cuts, it's another to be a condescending prick while doing it.
It's one thing making cuts, it's another to be a condescending prick while doing it.
He's always been a condescending prick. How people actually believed that shithouse il never know.
This might sound silly and a bit stupid, but how are the former leaders of the IRA and UDA not even arrested but are now MPs? Bear in mind I haven't read up on the subject in years.
what a fecking ludicrous idea. Hall monitors for industrial estates and airports, you'd swear the country was being run by a pack of primary school teachers. Oh.Most have been in the past. Most of the IRA guys that are now in SF have already served time so you can't really do them again for the same charge. The loyalist guys I'd assume are the same.
Joan Burton is a joke of a politician. Lowest common denominator type of a character.
Maybe not the right thread but it's scandalous what's happened with the children being taken off the Roma families in Dublin and Athlone.
I agree, but what do they do? Just say they were abducted kids and the hse investigated without taking the kids then the families could disappear forever. Transient people are much harder for the authorities to deal with.
I can't think of a better way to do it, but I'm prepared to be enlightened.
Oh and this is the defacto thread for this stuff in Ireland.
They might be a flight risk but that's no excuse for taking their kids on a whim. Surely there needs to be a good degree of certainty before you take somebodies child off them?
You'd swear transients were known for this kind of thing, people are just jumping on the bandwagon of the news reports from Greece which makes the whole thing seem even more unprofessional from the Irish authorities.
It is.
Funny the way everyone waited to be outraged until it turned out they fecked up though.
Obviously they have to investigate but you shouldn't be able to take someone's child based on nothing more than them having different coloured hair than their parents, oh wait there was more, they were gypsies.
It's fecking disgusting.
I miss Fianna Fail.
This shit wouldn't have happened on their watch.
As bad as it is I'd rather have them over reacting than under reacting. People complaining for years about the ineffectiveness of the hse are the same complaining now that this happened. There's no harm done in the long run.
Do you really think the only reason they were taken was racism against gypsies, or as is more plausible but less dramatic that they hold a huge flight risk?
Well put it this way - if a blonde haired, blue eyed girl was seen with an Italian family, for example, who's parents had brown hair, green eyes etc. do you think they would swoop in as if it's totally reasonable to suspect they'd abducted the child?
The only reason the Roma families were targeted was because it was in the news that a Roma family may have done so in Greece.
My point is that I think it's most likely they swooped in because these people are transient rather than because the HSE is inherently racist. Of course the news of what's happening on Greece may have escalated them into taking action.
The chances are that the Italian family in your scenario would find it harder to disappear into the night as they will have a house/job/belongings that make them less of a flight risk. If it was a caravan dwelling family who would pose just as much of a risk and then they may well have acted the same way.
Thats a Torino jersey btw.....
Not one feck was given.
While it's obviously a sweeping statement, there's nothing dramatic or shocking about saying that there are high levels of racism towards gypsies & travellers in Ireland, to a point that lots of people don't even see it as racism.
Irelands a pretty easy country to get out of, no matter where you live you're only 3 hours from a port or airport but give me one occasion in the history of the Irish state where a child was taken from parents because the neighbours thought they didn't look like their parents.
I've seen first hand how difficult it is to get a court to order a child into care, they leave them in all sorts of conditions. The HSE and Gardai fecked up big time here, they panicked, based on nothing more than the families being gypsies.
Will it be harder or easier to get orders to put children into care, even where they desperately need to be, do you think?
Weren't both families settled and living in houses?
Genuine question, I was under the impression they were. If they were living in camps on the side of the road or something it would make things a bit more understandable.
Ah come on again pops. Most Irish kids are born and grow up in the same street all there life so their neighbours would know them. Most Irish parents would be able to produce a birth certificate to prove they are the parents.
It's a unique situation to these people so statements and questions like those you have posted are pretty useless and have no context.
I'll ask a relevant question though. Would you prefer to see the HSE overreact and do something as drastic as this and end up looking silly and having to apologise, or would you prefer them to be overly cautious and do nothing resulting in a serious problem for a child?
My big worry now is that the next time something is reported to the HSE they will be overly worried about the media reaction and not do enough in the same way they haven't done enough in countless occasions down the years. The bleeding hearts in the country are clambering over themselves to point out the overt racism towards gypsies don't see the damage that this could do down the line.