Film Interstellar

The score is subdued?!? Wow. Just wow.

It's about as subdued as a Cockerel crowing through a foghorn over a background of bullfrogs during the mating season.
 
Just got back from watching it and all I can say is WOW! Truly blown away by the beautiful score and amazing visuals.

We too had problems with hearing some dialogue, but only during the turbulence scenes. The rest was fine, although it was an exceptionally loud film.
 
Didn't have any problem with the score. But then again I watched the movie voiced on Italian, so they might have modificated the sound part by making it lower.
 
Cina said:
until you walk out of the cinema and realize it made absolutely no sense and the whole thing was a messy pile of nonsense.

Nolan has an amazing ability to make films seems great while you're watching them despite them being rubbish.
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Rooney in Dublin said:
I've seen you say that about his films before, don't agree with that, at all.

Also a sci-fi film is bound to require at least some suspension of disbelief from the viewer.
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I actually agree with Cina, unfortunately. I said the same thing in the Nolan thread so I'm going to assume that he copied me.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
The score is subdued?!? Wow. Just wow.

It's about as subdued as a Cockerel crowing through a foghorn over a background of bullfrogs during the mating season.
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I can only recommend to listen to a few of the pieces on Youtube, most are very gentle and soft. It gets very loud towards the end, but it's not representative of the whole score.
Dante said:
I actually agree with Cina, unfortunately. I said the same thing in the Nolan thread so I'm going to assume that he copied me.
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Said no one ever.
 
Saw it last night and loved it. I was a little bit confused at certain points (partly because the sound/soundtrack drowned out a lot of the dialogue, so i'll probably need to watch again in case I've missed anything). The movie won't be everyone's cup of tea, of course.

The one big miss I have, and hopefully a caftard can clear it up - Coop was essentially the "ghost" who sent himself the binary message to find NASA. But for Coop to have ended up being the "ghost", he'd have needed to get that message about going to NASA in the first place....hope that question makes a bit of sense. Still sounds confusing :lol:

I understand the wormhole/time concepts etc....i'm still not sure how "the first" Coop would have received that binary message.
 
Ish84045 said:
Saw it last night and loved it. I was a little bit confused at certain points (partly because the sound/soundtrack drowned out a lot of the dialogue, so i'll probably need to watch again in case I've missed anything). The movie won't be everyone's cup of tea, of course.

The one big miss I have, and hopefully a caftard can clear it up - Coop was essentially the "ghost" who sent himself the binary message to find NASA. But for Coop to have ended up being the "ghost", he'd have needed to get that message about going to NASA in the first place....hope that question makes a bit of sense. Still sounds confusing :lol:

I understand the wormhole/time concepts etc....i'm still not sure how "the first" Coop would have received that binary message.
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Yeah that's the paradox although if you can make head or tail out of this it might explain a possible solution to it....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
 
I know I said the film was loud, but my girlfriend just told me that twice during the film one of the staff came in with a decibel meter. Obviously pushing the limits with the sound/volume in the cinema.

Definitely a great watch and interesting film, but I agree with the sinister music started way too early when Matt Damon came on the screen. It was too obvious his character was not to be trusted. I think the two planets visited had to be barren otherwise I don't think the story would have worked as well and it could have made the film even longer. Another top Christopher Nolan film to add to his list, although for me, as much as I enjoyed it, it wasn't as good as The Prestige or Inception.
 
Just saw it, and it certainly impressed me. I entered the theatre with a mind set of just letting the movie happen and wanting to believe it (because I knew some of it would probably be a stretch), and that worked perfectly for me. I thought it was a grand spectacle and an emotional piece at the same time. Very satisfying overall.
 
I loved the docking scene. I was on the edge of my seat watching that. The music just added to the tension.
 
What a giant fecking waste of time. The ending is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever witnessed in cinema. Not only is it the most disturbingly dumb instances of time paradox ever, it even tops its own stupidity with this "Brand was right! Love does transcend all dimensions" crap. I was hoping for a new "2001 - A Space Odyssey"... if this is 2014's answer to that masterpiece, the world is indeed doomed. And believe me, suckers: Love won't help us.

I still can't believe something this dumb actually got made... it's better not to think how many movies like "Memento" could've been made with the budget of this movie.

And to think I loved you, Mr. Nolan...
 
Just to point out (again) - the ending isn't a paradox, according to the scientific theory upon which the whole film is based.
 
Ubik said:
Just to point out (again) - the ending isn't a paradox, according to the scientific theory upon which the whole film is based.
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Care to explain? Because what I gathered from the wiki entry about the Novikov-principle is that, if the theory is correct, a "grandfather paradox" is completely impossible to occur (which is depicted CORRECTLY in the movie when Cooper, inside the tesseract, fails to make himself stay at home in the past) because this particular part of history has happened that way and thus cannot be changed.
Applied to the grandfather example, it would mean that it even if you could travel to the past it would just be completely impossible for you to kill your on grandfather before you are born; or that it would impossible to go to the past to kill Hitler, because that would mean the motivation behind the time travel would never have existed in the first place.
So far, so good, so Novikov. In this movie, however, there's also an ontological bootstrap paradox, i.e. where an information/entity/whatever has no more discernable origin.

I also read Kip Thorne's wiki entry (the guy who did the actual physics for Interstellar) and from what I gather there, he mostly says that timetravel might actually be possible. It says nothing about this particular kind of paradox but maybe I'm just too dumb.

So the past can't be changed anymore because Cooper HAS to get into the black hole and relay the necessary information so he could end up there in the first place, fair enough. However, without the wormhole, the tesseract etc. humanity would've gone extinct so they could've never developed into "5d beings", so those beings could've never sent a wormhole back in the first place to save humanity or build the tesseract or anything. The technology/advanced state of being/wormhole that saved humanity has no real origin anymore. It's more of a metaphysical than a physical paradox, the way I see it. And it pisses me off. It seems so lazy.

I also read Kip Thorne's wiki entry (the guy who did the actual physics for Interstellar) and from what I gather there, he mostly says that timetravel might actually be possible. So I guess the physics are right (or at least possible), but the horrible bootstrap is Nolan's very own fault.

I'm not a physicist, but this is how I see it and I'm horrified by the fact that a promising movie ended so stupidly. The love-stuff, holy cow...

12 Monkeys is still the only movie that did timetraveling really well in my eyes.

Sorry if this sounds like gibberish, but english is my second language and this shit is confusing enough to write about even in my first. :lol:
 
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Good movie but way too long and despite the length it didn't explain certain things enough.

What caused the dust storms and what exactly were they? Why wasn't that infinite reality (when he could see his daughter) explained more?

Why didn't his daughter's family acknowledge him at the end? He saved humanity for god sakes.

Anna Hathaway is overrated in looks and acting. Mat Damon stole the show. Fantastic cameo.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Good movie but way too long and despite the length it didn't explain certain things enough.

What caused the dust storms and what exactly were they? Why wasn't that infinite reality (when he could see his daughter) explained more?

Why didn't his daughter's family acknowledge him at the end? He saved humanity for god sakes.

Anna Hathaway is overrated in looks and acting. Mat Damon stole the show. Fantastic cameo.
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You mad, bro?
 
Anyway, Interstellar had my mind blown. For a guy who just knows the basic terminology of space and physics, the science shown in the movie does hold up.
 
My question on the ending
Since 50 Earth years have passed since from the moment Cooper went into the blackhole until the moment he was found by NASA around Saturn, then I would presume that Brand is already 80 years old, living alone (or running plan B) on Edmund planet. Then why did they show Brand hasn't aged much at the end? And since Brand already arrived at Edmund planet earlier, then she would surely sent data to Earth that this planet is habitable. And the Earth refugee can follow her to the new planet

Unluckiest character
Romily luck was really really bad here. Not only he got left for 23 years alone but he also died a horrible death. How on earth does he stay sane all those time without human interaction all that time?
 
coolredwine said:
Anyway, Interstellar had my mind blown. For a guy who just knows the basic terminology of space and physics, the science shown in the movie does hold up.
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I honestly couldn't give much of a shit about the science not holding up. I went in to be entertained and I was completely satisfied.
 
Revan said:
I don't get what free will (or the lack of it) can change here. The point of sending something in the past (to save yourself, or in this case to save humankind because if they get destroyed, so do the humans on the future) is absolute nonsense. It is paradoxal and shouldn't be ever used. The moment when you do that in the movie, it is the time to also introduce faster than light traveling and lightsabers. It is the moment when the movies changes from sci-fi to space magic.
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I think whatever happened in the past, humankind survive. FWIW
Humankind survive barely by executing plan B, repopulating another Earth, went there using another pilot. I think once humankind reached the kind of technology that enable them to see time as another dimension, they'll want to create a better future in a parallel universe. So they sent Cooper and his daughter into this story. The advance human future will not change, but their ancestor future will developed much better than theirs.
 
It was no 2001 space odyssey but still very good and better than most current blockbusters.
 
reelworld said:
My question on the ending
Since 50 Earth years have passed since from the moment Cooper went into the blackhole until the moment he was found by NASA around Saturn, then I would presume that Brand is already 80 years old, living alone (or running plan B) on Edmund planet. Then why did they show Brand hasn't aged much at the end? And since Brand already arrived at Edmund planet earlier, then she would surely sent data to Earth that this planet is habitable. And the Earth refugee can follow her to the new planet

Time difference is an easy cop out, that and deep sleep machine. And I pressume when Coop wokes up, he wokes up in the future as there's no info on the time difference being in the 5th dimension. And it'll take years for brand's data to reach earth. They should have go and save her to be honest, but it won't make the ending, at the end of the day it's a movie after all.

Unluckiest character
Romily luck was really really bad here. Not only he got left for 23 years alone but he also died a horrible death. How on earth does he stay sane all those time without human interaction all that time?
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I was petrified inside thinking what if I'm in their position, specially the last part about Coop being in the 5th dimension. I mean, you can last there for eternity all by yourself, and you can't even kill yourself... pretty scarry premonition to be.
 
reelworld said:
My question on the ending
Since 50 Earth years have passed since from the moment Cooper went into the blackhole until the moment he was found by NASA around Saturn, then I would presume that Brand is already 80 years old, living alone (or running plan B) on Edmund planet. Then why did they show Brand hasn't aged much at the end? And since Brand already arrived at Edmund planet earlier, then she would surely sent data to Earth that this planet is habitable. And the Earth refugee can follow her to the new planet

Unluckiest character
Romily luck was really really bad here. Not only he got left for 23 years alone but he also died a horrible death. How on earth does he stay sane all those time without human interaction all that time?
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On your first question (no need to use spoiler tags btw judging by the title), it seemed to me that Brand experienced the same time dilation as Cooper when they were doing their manouevre around the edge of the black hole. I remember him saying it would cost them 51 years or something. And I guess the time spent inside the singularity doesn't count. So that would make them the same age. That would also mean that Brand would actually still be on her way to the planet when Cooper got picked up. At least that's how I see it.
 
MDFC Manager said:
I honestly couldn't give much of a shit about the science not holding up. I went in to be entertained and I was completely satisfied.
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I think anyone wanting a perfect lesson in physics etc. from a Hollywood blockbuster is looking in the wrong place...
 
reelworld said:
I think whatever happened in the past, humankind survive. FWIW
Humankind survive barely by executing plan B, repopulating another Earth, went there using another pilot. I think once humankind reached the kind of technology that enable them to see time as another dimension, they'll want to create a better future in a parallel universe. So they sent Cooper and his daughter into this story. The advance human future will not change, but their ancestor future will developed much better than theirs.
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This explanation is good. I don't know if they meant it that way, but it sounds more acceptable (in fact, completely acceptable) than the original explanation I had (sending the wormhole in the past to save humankind in order to save themselves in the future, which creates a loop).
 
Ainu said:
On your first question (no need to use spoiler tags btw judging by the title), it seemed to me that Brand experienced the same time dilation as Cooper when they were doing their manouevre around the edge of the black hole. I remember him saying it would cost them 51 years or something. And I guess the time spent inside the singularity doesn't count. So that would make them the same age. That would also mean that Brand would actually still be on her way to the planet when Cooper got picked up. At least that's how I see it.
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The problem I have with that is if they spent 50 Earth years gaining speed on the edge of Gargantua to reach Edmund, then by the time Coop went to the black hole, 50 years have passed, Murph should already solved the gravity equation which is impossible since Coop hasn't given her the data yet. If Coop went back in time in the black hole then he literally changed his future, which also create a timeloop.
The only explanation is that the black hole didn't return Coop to his universe, he was transported to an alternative universe which is created when Murph solve the equation.
 
reelworld said:
The problem I have with that is if they spent 50 Earth years gaining speed on the edge of Gargantua to reach Edmund, then by the time Coop went to the black hole, 50 years have passed, Murph should already solved the gravity equation which is impossible since Coop hasn't given her the data yet. If Coop went back in time in the black hole then he literally changed his future, which also create a timeloop.
The only explanation is that the black hole didn't return Coop to his universe, he was transported to an alternative universe which is created when Murph solve the equation.
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Yeah but in the Tesseract thingy, the concept of time can be manipulated, can't it? The whole concept is that time and gravity can be manipulated in that sort of chamber they've created, he just needed to find the right 'frame' to look through and program the watch (which has been programmed for decades when Murph actually picks it up).
 
reelworld said:
The problem I have with that is if they spent 50 Earth years gaining speed on the edge of Gargantua to reach Edmund, then by the time Coop went to the black hole, 50 years have passed, Murph should already solved the gravity equation which is impossible since Coop hasn't given her the data yet. If Coop went back in time in the black hole then he literally changed his future, which also create a timeloop.
The only explanation is that the black hole didn't return Coop to his universe, he was transported to an alternative universe which is created when Murph solve the equation.
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Well he seemed to exist outside of the boundaries of time when he was inside the black hole, as they literally showed him communicating with Murph in the past. So yes, alternative dimensions created by a changed timeline would come into play here.
 
I enjoyed it and never noticed that the sound/music was too loud. I understand the plot holes and theoretical physics that people have issues with, but movies are there for entertainment. I get the feeling that some people in this thread will have watched Terminator 2 and got really angry: "This is preposterous! How can John Connor send a Terminator back to save himself from another Terminator??? It's a paradox! Utter shit! 1/10."
 
Not a great fan of movies related to space,but this one is exceptional. Loved lot of interested stuffs related space.
 
To the absolute specimen who is questioning Anne Hathaway's beauty, please impale yourself on a spike.

As for the film, went in to it not expecting much/not knowing what it was about (would've preferred to have seen Nightcrawler), but came out pleasantly surprised. You have to take it for what it is, a thrills and spills blockbuster. Sure there are plenty of ridiculous facets - gargantua in particular was hilarious. Don't over think it.

The only thing that truly annoyed me about the film was the Christian bullshit. When Brand delivered the spiel about love being bigger than a human construct; and challenging science etc. They kind of revisited that theme with the whole ghost thing at the end - the way they handled that really pissed me off. Can easily be construed as some creationist guff.
 
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