Film Interstellar

Cina said:
:lol: did you actually watch the film? Caine finished his equation years ago, the equation proved that his theory wasn't possible. Hence why Option A was never a feasible one and he 'tricked' them.

Murph is the one who then managed to finish it correctly using the information Coop gave her from inside the black hole.
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It's like Caine successfully built a cart, while what they need is a car.

Murp finally found how to built a car, because he got advance knowledge from Coop

Probably the gravity stuffs creates atmosphere, probably it can float platform so they don't need a very advance planet, who knows. Let's just take it as it is, coop help humanity to survive
 
Revan said:
The equation just made possible for that giant space station to leave Earth, not fix the dying Earth. No idea, why they were still staying there, instead of going to Anne Hathaway's planet. Something that McCoughney did instantly.

I'll assume that the time on that planet goes much slower than on Earth (similarily to the planet near) cause it was near a black hole, so the planet rotates much more faster. So, I guess that when McCougnhey reaches Hathaway (hopefully never cause an Interstellar 2 would be stupid) she would be as young as him, regardless that there have passed 70 years or so.
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There's no reason for her to go to deep sleep though, she didn't know that Cooper survived and the last shot of the scene showed that the previous group had started to get ready to resettle onto that planet, besides since time travels much slower on that planet, it's unlikely they're able to get their signal to reach out back to the space station they're staying near Saturn.
 
Sky1981 said:
Didn't coop woke up in Saturn or something? Probably they indeed have moved
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Yep, they were near Saturn on a space station. What have they been doing there for 60 years is beyond me though.

Sky1981 said:
It's like Caine successfully built a cart, while what they need is a car.

Murp finally found how to built a car, because he got advance knowledge from Coop

Probably the gravity stuffs creates atmosphere, probably it can float platform so they don't need a very advance planet, who knows. Let's just take it as it is, coop help humanity to survive
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Caine solved the equation, but in order to make it work he needed data from within the singularity (feck knows why). That was impossible to obtain so he basically tricked them. Then McCounghney sent those data to Chastain when he was within the singularity, making the equation 'work'. By making it work, I mean making the space station launch from Earth. Not anything else (like saving the planet). Earth cannot be saved.

Another interesting thing. Why half an hour after McCounghney found the NASA, he got the job and was humankind last hope. If he was the only man for it, why they didn't look for him before?
 
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elmo said:
There's no reason for her to go to deep sleep though, she didn't know that Cooper survived and the last shot of the scene showed that the previous group had started to get ready to resettle onto that planet, besides since time travels much slower on that planet, it's unlikely they're able to get their signal to reach out back to the space station they're staying near Saturn.
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That might make sense. Even when they send it, it will got heard on the future.
 
Sky1981 said:
It's like Caine successfully built a cart, while what they need is a car.

Murp finally found how to built a car, because he got advance knowledge from Coop

Probably the gravity stuffs creates atmosphere, probably it can float platform so they don't need a very advance planet, who knows. Let's just take it as it is, coop help humanity to survive
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He? Yeah, definitely didn't watch it there buddy!

The only thing Murph solved was getting that big space station up into space beside the wormhole, which Caine couldn't do. Nothing indicates that issues on earth were solved which seems like a massive fecking plothole to me. Why the hell weren't they rushing like feck to find Hathaway if the signals from her planet were all good?
 
Cina said:
He? Yeah, definitely didn't watch it there buddy!

The only thing Murph solved was getting that big space station up into space beside the wormhole, which Caine couldn't do. Nothing indicates that issues on earth were solved which seems like a massive fecking plothole to me. Why the hell weren't they rushing like feck to find Hathaway if the signals from her planet were all good?
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We don't know that indeed, maybe the space station is too big to go through the wormhole (it has a defined diameter I read somewhere and the space station would be huge) and maybe that's why they're still building ranger ships who can travel through it. Or maybe there's simply disagreement between the remaining humans as to what to do: the space station looked like it was self sustainable, whereas going through the wormhole presents a risk; I think they said at some point that they weren't sure all of the 10 astronauts who had gone before had survived, so it would be a hell of a risk to send all that remains of humanity through it. They maybe simply haven't yet decided whether to go through or not.
 
Cina said:
He? Yeah, definitely didn't watch it there buddy!

The only thing Murph solved was getting that big space station up into space beside the wormhole, which Caine couldn't do. Nothing indicates that issues on earth were solved which seems like a massive fecking plothole to me. Why the hell weren't they rushing like feck to find Hathaway if the signals from her planet were all good?
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Because they've most likely just started receiving the signals from her planet due to time moving much slower on her planet. Besides, another issue they face is the lack of pilots, don't forget they mentioned earlier in the movie that the existence of NASA was kept a secret and the only training their pilots have were all in the simulation, no way they'll send the entire spaceship across the wormhole until they are confident of survival.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
We don't know that indeed, maybe the space station is too big to go through the wormhole (it has a defined diameter I read somewhere and the space station would be huge) and maybe that's why they're still building ranger ships who can travel through it. Or maybe there's simply disagreement between the remaining humans as to what to do: the space station looked like it was self sustainable, whereas going through the wormhole presents a risk; I think they said at some point that they weren't sure all of the 10 astronauts who had gone before had survived, so it would be a hell of a risk to send all that remains of humanity through it. They maybe simply haven't yet decided whether to go through or not.
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but why? It's been around 40 years since she figured out the equation at this point, what are they waiting for? Earth is clearly buggered at that stage. It makes no sense, why not send at least one fecking pilot through to find out, instead of Coop just going himself eventually, hell, he didn't even tell anyone he was going, which is even more hilarious, what's he going to do when he gets there. "Oh, hey Imelda, err, feck, probably should've like, told the others I was coming, I'll try contact th... oh no wait, I only have this shitty old robot, damn you Murph! Also shitloads more time has probably passed now too actually, hmm, yeah, bad idea this one"
elmo said:
Because they've most likely just started receiving the signals from her planet due to time moving much slower on her planet. Besides, another issue they face is the lack of pilots, don't forget they mentioned earlier in the movie that the existence of NASA was kept a secret and the only training their pilots have were all in the simulation, no way they'll send the entire spaceship across the wormhole until they are confident of survival.
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Maybe, still, nobody seems to be giving much of a flying feck, do they? In fact as I said above, despite them having the capabilities, it took Coop going alone not telling a single person to do it. Surely they should be absolutely dying at the prospect of getting to a new planet after 40 years on a space station and the earth being buggered?

It's a really poor ending, imo, ruined the film a bit for me.
 
But do we know that the space station has been up there 40 years? Couldn't solving the equation and getting the station up there have taken longer?

Also I really don't feel it's much of a 'problem', there's loads of reasons why the space station would still be in the solar system.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
But do we know that the space station has been up there 40 years? Couldn't solving the equation and getting the station up there have taken longer?

Also I really don't feel it's much of a 'problem', there's loads of reasons why the space station would still be in the solar system.
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that's not my problem though, my problem is why they didn't send someone across to confirm before Coop left. They've basically done nothing.

it's all very silly and messy.
 
Cina said:
that's not my problem though, my problem is why they didn't send someone across to confirm before Coop left. They've basically done nothing.

it's all very silly and messy.
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Again, they weren't sure, unless I'm mistaken, that going through the wormhole was a safe process. They hinted that only 3 astronauts had survived it. Why would they risk lives of pilots, or even one pilot, once they're in that self sustainable space station? Coop didn't hesitate cos he didn't have anything else to live for.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Again, they weren't sure, unless I'm mistaken, that going through the wormhole was a safe process. They hinted that only 3 astronauts had survived it. Why would they risk lives of pilots, or even one pilot, once they're in that self sustainable space station? Coop didn't hesitate cos he didn't have anything else to live for.
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The whole fecking point of the film was to go find a planet that they could live on, you know, also why send the space station out to the wormhole in the first place if they're not going to bother using the thing?

Let's spend 5 years getting to to the wormhole, we're not going to use it or anything, but maybe Coop will appear, right guys?
 
Cina said:
The whole fecking point of the film was to go find a planet that they could live on, you know, also why send the space station out to the wormhole in the first place if they're not going to bother using the thing?

Let's spend 5 years getting to to the wormhole, we're not going to use it or anything, but maybe Coop will appear, right guys?
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Was it? I thought plan A was especially getting that huge space station out of Earth's gravity, and plan B necessitated a livable planet to colonize. Of course, plan A is ideal if you can get people to the new planet as well, but it was especially getting them off earth that was primordial. Well that's not even totally true since plan A was a farce in the end, so we don't know what they decided once Murph solved the equation and got the station into space.

Bringing it close to the wormhole makes sense, as going through it is probably an option humanity is considering. What would the other option be? Stay orbiting Earth? What would be the point? Might as well bring the station close to the only option they currently have, even if they haven't yet decided what the next step would be.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Was it? I thought plan A was especially getting that huge space station out of Earth's gravity, and plan B necessitated a livable planet to colonize. Of course, plan A is ideal if you can get people to the new planet as well, but it was especially getting them off earth that was primordial. Well that's not even totally true since plan A was a farce in the end, so we don't know what they decided once Murph solved the equation and got the station into space.

Bringing it close to the wormhole makes sense, as going through it is probably an option humanity is considering. What would the other option be? Stay orbiting Earth? What would be the point? Might as well bring the station close to the only option they currently have, even if they haven't yet decided what the next step would be.
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well didn't they still have people on earth seeing as Murph was brought from there in cryogen? Plan A definitely wasn't just the space station, though.

Anyway, it's probably not worth discussing any further, I'm, as usual, giving Nolan a bit too much credit. The last 45 minutes was a big mess that's full of holes and I stand by that.
 
Cina said:
well didn't they still have people on earth seeing as Murph was brought from there in cryogen? Plan A definitely wasn't just the space station, though.

Anyway, it's probably not worth discussing any further, I'm, as usual, giving Nolan a bit too much credit. The last 45 minutes was a big mess that's full of holes and I stand by that.
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:lol: well ok then

I don't see how any of the 'mess' or 'holes' you've talked about can't be explained with racking your brain a bit. Not everything is spelt out for us (cos we don't actually care and it doesn't matter), but that definitely doesn't mean it's full of holes.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
:lol: well ok then

I don't see how any of the 'mess' or 'holes' you've talked about can't be explained with racking your brain a bit. Not everything is spelt out for us (cos we don't actually care and it doesn't matter), but that definitely doesn't mean it's full of holes.
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Racking my brain a bit is what made me see all the holes, though.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Was it? I thought plan A was especially getting that huge space station out of Earth's gravity, and plan B necessitated a livable planet to colonize. Of course, plan A is ideal if you can get people to the new planet as well, but it was especially getting them off earth that was primordial. Well that's not even totally true since plan A was a farce in the end, so we don't know what they decided once Murph solved the equation and got the station into space.

Bringing it close to the wormhole makes sense, as going through it is probably an option humanity is considering. What would the other option be? Stay orbiting Earth? What would be the point? Might as well bring the station close to the only option they currently have, even if they haven't yet decided what the next step would be.
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Plan A was to find a new planet and sent the humanity there.

Plan B (in case they can't launch the space station) was that the humans who have found the planet (McCoughney and co) to start the life from the beginning. They had embryos, right?
 
Revan said:
Plan A was to find a new planet and sent the humanity there.

Plan B (in case they can't launch the space station) was that the humans who have found the planet (McCoughney and co) to start the life from the beginning. They had embryos, right?
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Yeah but as I said a bit further in my message, plan A was a hoax anyway, Caine's character who had 'created' the plans always knew it was impossible (in his mind). So until Murph resolved the equation, there wasn't any hope of saving what remained of humanity on Earth. Therefore, the only plan that actually matters concerning the space station is the one they decided on after Murph's discovery, and that's what I was saying to Cina: we don't know what they decided.

It's fairly plausible that they decided 'listen, we're leaving Earth and taking the space station close to Saturn to be next to the wormhole; however, we haven't yet decided what we'll do and we'll decide later whether or not it's worth taking the risk going through the wormhole'. It doesn't require a huge leap of faith to imagine a scenario within which they've taken the station to Saturn but are not yet comfortable risking lives through the wormhole (which isn't to say they wouldn't do it sometime down the line, say when they've established that travelling through the wormhole is safe for example).
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Yeah but as I said a bit further in my message, plan A was a hoax anyway, Caine's character who had 'created' the plans always knew it was impossible (in his mind). So until Murph resolved the equation, there wasn't any hope of saving what remained of humanity on Earth. Therefore, the only plan that actually matters concerning the space station is the one they decided on after Murph's discovery, and that's what I was saying to Cina: we don't know what they decided.

It's fairly plausible that they decided 'listen, we're leaving Earth and taking the space station close to Saturn to be next to the wormhole; however, we haven't yet decided what we'll do and we'll decide later whether or not it's worth taking the risk going through the wormhole'. It doesn't require a huge leap of faith to imagine a scenario within which they've taken the station to Saturn but are not yet comfortable risking lives through the wormhole (which isn't to say they wouldn't do it sometime down the line, say when they've established that travelling through the wormhole is safe for example).
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Not to mention the fact they would be leaving a modern, well equipped space station to live on a newly discovered planet with no electricity,no means of communicating back to the space station and no guarantee of safety.
 
Revan said:
Yep, they were near Saturn on a space station. What have they been doing there for 60 years is beyond me though.



Caine solved the equation, but in order to make it work he needed data from within the singularity (feck knows why). That was impossible to obtain so he basically tricked them. Then McCounghney sent those data to Chastain when he was within the singularity, making the equation 'work'. By making it work, I mean making the space station launch from Earth. Not anything else (like saving the planet). Earth cannot be saved.

Another interesting thing. Why half an hour after McCounghney found the NASA, he got the job and was humankind last hope. If he was the only man for it, why they didn't look for him before?
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The thing I thought from watching the movie was that the thing coop told Murph, the singularity, was basically how to manipulate gravity so they could then basically use that to terraform one of Saturn's moons which is where they said they were i think? Could be complete bollocks, but that's what I assumed they wanted us to think they did at the end.
 
Revan said:
Yep, they were near Saturn on a space station. What have they been doing there for 60 years is beyond me though.
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Pretty sure after 60 years that the Earth wasn't completely doomed yet. Space station was a rally point between Earth and the new planet. The new planet, after 60 years, probably is somewhat limited. Sure it has resources but you can't chuck a bunch of people on the planet and tell them to go live. I imagine it was a gradual process. It's a lot of people that have to be moved after all.
 
why'd 'they' put the fecking wormhole next to Saturn anyway? 2 years away from the humans, the impractical bastards.
 
Bear in mind the Endurance, at a mere 200 tons or so, took 2 years to get to Saturn with a gravity boost. The colony ship is essentially the one from rendezvous with rama, which was a cylinder 10 odd miles in diameter and five times that in length. Even if this one is significantly smaller it's still going to weigh a colossal amount, so any transit to Saturn is going to take fecking ages unless they improved propulsion by a lot. As to why no-one went out to check Brand's planet before, well it's fairly long trip out there and if they could only take one of those shuttles, they could've been limited in fuel or life support or not had hibernation pods in them, maybe it would have to be a one way trip which was undesirable unless you're Coop.
 
Cina said:
why'd 'they' put the fecking wormhole next to Saturn anyway? 2 years away from the humans, the impractical bastards.
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More importantly, why 'they' didn't gave any information at all. Something like 'hey pals, here is the wormhole which sends you to an another galactic. Reach planet X on these coordinates ..... Btw, the solution for that equation is .... You're welcome :) xoxoxox'

I mean, seriously, if you go to the trouble of creating a warmhole and sending it on the past to save humankind so the humans of the future won't get doomed, it shouldn't have been that difficult to leave some instructions too. And as you said, it would have been much more practical to send it here, not near Saturn. But then again the Protheans did the same (in fact they send it near Pluto).

bosnian_red said:
The thing I thought from watching the movie was that the thing coop told Murph, the singularity, was basically how to manipulate gravity so they could then basically use that to terraform one of Saturn's moons which is where they said they were i think? Could be complete bollocks, but that's what I assumed they wanted us to think they did at the end.
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It wasn't like that at all. Singularity is the center of blackhole (on simple terms). Being more precise, it is widely assumed that blackholes create singularity, which among other things swaps the spacetime coordinates.

They needed some data from within the singularity, to make that equation work. Because then, they could know how to make the giant space station get launched from Earth.

No fixing earth, no terraform Saturn moon, no other kind of space magic.
 
Whilst they could see the goings on in the past they couldn't physically interact, that's why they needed Coop to do it for them - he could manipulate matter in Murph's room through gravitation.
 
Watched it again today and has become my favourite ever movie. I absolutely love the thing!

That soundtrack is phenomenal!
 
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Whilst they could see the goings on in the past they couldn't physically interact, that's why they needed Coop to do it for them - he could manipulate matter in Murph's room through gravitation.
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You think that they were able to sent a bloody wormhole on the past, but couldn't sent some information with it? I struggle to see how that might be possible.
 
Revan said:
You think that they were able to sent a bloody wormhole on the past, but couldn't sent some information with it? I struggle to see how that might be possible.
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Haven't a clue how you create a wormhole so I'm genuinely not sure!
 
I liked it, could and probably should have been much better though.

In the age of internet, I am getting tired of cynics who do nothing but just find plot holes in every movie and then moan about it. I have myself indulged in similar behavior in past but at some point you have to decide if you are going to enjoy something for what it is or constantly prod everything and ruin your enjoyment of it.

In any case, to elaborate my first statement. It seems that to make this movie a 'blockbuster' resulted in a compromised product IMO. This kind of movie did not deserve a definitive ending at all. I did not have a problem with fifth dimension stuff initially but the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that it should not have been a part of the movie. Unlike others I did not have a problem with Damon part of the movie as well, though it definitely played out in a very cliched and over used form of story telling. The ending was just way too elaborate and finite in the face of unknown nature of our cosmic universe.
 
Revan said:
You think that they were able to sent a bloody wormhole on the past, but couldn't sent some information with it? I struggle to see how that might be possible.
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These kind of questions are strange... Why didn't monolith just hack Hal9000 and tell Bowman the truth, whatever it is, it would've saved a lot of trouble. It's Sci-fi for you, no matter how scientifically accurate the movie is, "Science" is merely just a plot device.

Anyway let's nitpick while we're at it. A simple phonecall or fax letter from the future would do it. A wormhole? future human are brain dead or something?
 
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So, I thought it was a bit rubbish to be honest... well, maybe not rubbish, but I went in fully expecting to like this film, and I was giving it all sorts of passes until eventually I just had to stop and accept that it was nothing more then average... and a poor man's Contact/Sunshine.

In the column marked "good", I'll put McConaughey and the whole father/daughter connection/relationship stuff, which I thought was handled pretty well (even if I didn't like the story around it at the end) and was quite touching in parts.

In the column marked "bad" I'll do a list of a few things....

  • The film has terrible pacing, rushing through some parts only to needlessly labour in others - for a film where the concept of time plays a huge part, this film really struggles to use it's own effectively
  • There's some really clunky exposition and dialogue... especially towards the beginning of the film, though I don't think the dialogue is helped by some not very strong performances, which brings me on too...
  • Anne Hathaway... seriously awful. I have no idea how she's gained a rep for being some great actor, 'cos for every role she does well in, there will be another that features over-acting, over-emoting, and really forced dialogue. A terrible turn from her I thought.
  • I hated the score... it's as if it wanted to do all the work itself. I realize this isn't a subtle film, but holy feck could this score be any more in your face? I mean, it literally told you exactly what was going to happen in scenes before they actually happened. I suppose it would be better if it sounded amazing, but really, it wasn't anything special.
  • Some of the space stuff was beautifully done - but nothing that hasn't been done better in other space films (Gravity/Sunshine spring to mind from recent times) whilst some of it feels pretty unimaginative and quite routine (the planet stuff mainly).
  • I did find some bits of the story to be a bit ridiculous (EVIL MATT DAMON!!!!) nor am I totally on board with the ending....yet, might be when I read more about it perhaps?

So yeah, definitely Nolan's worst in my book.
 
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Obviously I don't agree with the overall sentiment of your post but after all whether you liked it or not is normal, it's subjective. I was just surprise by a couple of your "bad" points:
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  • I hated the score... it's as if it wanted to do all the work itself. I realize this isn't a subtle film, but holy feck could this score be any more in your face? I mean, it literally told you exactly what was going to happen in scenes before they actually happened. I suppose it would be better if it sounded amazing, but really, it wasn't anything special.
  • Some of the space stuff was beautifully done - but nothing that hasn't been done better in other space films (Gravity/Sunshine spring to mind from recent times) whilst some of it feels pretty unimaginative and quite routine (the planet stuff mainly).
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The score part, because even though Zimmer cranks it up big time in the conclusion of the movie, most of the score is actually pretty subdued which I found surprising. A lot of softer approach from him with some beautiful pieces.

As for the space stuff, I thought the wormhole/Gargantua and general space travel was pretty new to be honest. Gravity felt better due to how immersive it was, but basically it was the Earth in the background and parts of satellites flying around. It looked brilliant, but it wasn't daring in its imagery. Sunshine was with the sun and how it decided to portray it, but that was about it (and I'm saying even though Sunshine is one of my favourite films full stop!). I really felt Interstellar went further with what it showed on screen and how beautiful the space parts looked.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Obviously I don't agree with the overall sentiment of your post but after all whether you liked it or not is normal, it's subjective. I was just surprise by a couple of your "bad" points:

The score part, because even though Zimmer cranks it up big time in the conclusion of the movie, most of the score is actually pretty subdued which I found surprising. A lot of softer approach from him with some beautiful pieces.

As for the space stuff, I thought the wormhole/Gargantua and general space travel was pretty new to be honest. Gravity felt better due to how immersive it was, but basically it was the Earth in the background and parts of satellites flying around. It looked brilliant, but it wasn't daring in its imagery. Sunshine was with the sun and how it decided to portray it, but that was about it (and I'm saying even though Sunshine is one of my favourite films full stop!). I really felt Interstellar went further with what it showed on screen and how beautiful the space parts looked.
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On the score - 2 parts really stood and and were my main takeaway

- On the ice planet, did the music really need to be THAT sinister and from so early on in the scene? It made it so incredibly obvious that Damon was going to turn, something which would have been way more impactful without the music drawing a huge arrow over his head and saying "BADDY ALERT!"
- The music over the climax was just so ridiculously overbearing - which, for a scene with so much exposition/information was completely needless.

There were other instances too - some emotional beats again had some really over bearing emotional stuff behind it... in fairness, that could just be due to how bloody loud the music was in comparison with everything else, but even still, that is a choice that Nolan made.

The Wormhole/Gargantua stuff was nice - but that's more fantastical stuff, thus I think easier to do more with and it did look beautiful (as I said, some stuff was beautiful) - I think my focus was more around shots of the crafts in space/taking off landing - as well as their overall design, and the planets themselves, which felt a tad uninspired.
 
Revan said:
Cheers, good stuff!

Those points weren't claimed as nonsense here though.

The comments though are on a high level of nerdishness.
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You have to go pretty much right to the very bottom to get to the point talked about in here earlier:
It can be shown that, because of this complicated topology, closed timelike curves exist in the neighbourhood of the ring singularity. (For those that are interested, a complete discussion involving Killing vectors are detailed in Wald’s GR text). The significance of the existence of closed timelike curves is an observer traversing along these curves can violate causality, and thus go backwards in time by an arbitrary amount. Note that there are some issues regarding stability that I have not detailed here as they are much more technical than what is covered in this posting.
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Shenanigans, in other words.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
On the score - 2 parts really stood and and were my main takeaway

- On the ice planet, did the music really need to be THAT sinister and from so early on in the scene? It made it so incredibly obvious that Damon was going to turn, something which would have been way more impactful without the music drawing a huge arrow over his head and saying "BADDY ALERT!"
- The music over the climax was just so ridiculously overbearing - which, for a scene with so much exposition/information was completely needless.

There were other instances too - some emotional beats again had some really over bearing emotional stuff behind it... in fairness, that could just be due to how bloody loud the music was in comparison with everything else, but even still, that is a choice that Nolan made.

The Wormhole/Gargantua stuff was nice - but that's more fantastical stuff, thus I think easier to do more with and it did look beautiful (as I said, some stuff was beautiful) - I think my focus was more around shots of the crafts in space/taking off landing - as well as their overall design, and the planets themselves, which felt a tad uninspired.
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A few on here have reported that the sound mixing was too heavy on the music. I was surprised, I never felt it and the music was never overbearing, at all. Wonder whether it depends on the cinema theatre where you see it.
 
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