Mason Mount.
Internationals September (Nations League + Friendlies) | England RELEGATED
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Mason Mount.
It is clear Southgate doesn't trust his defence and he is right not to.
Bloody shame. No way they sack him before the world cup
Why is Ramsdale not starting ahead of Pope?
Nah I think you go pace either side of Kane and have Kane dropping as a false 9 and the two either side running in.
England lack a metronome like Scholes who can create from deep with a range of pass to move defence to attack quickly (bit like what Eriksen is doing for United currently). Kane could do this to a degree.
If he played the best CB they have e.g Tomori, then it shouldn't be an issue. The LB position is an issue so likely Trippier will have to play there.
James - Tomori - Stones - Trippier
Joe cole is total hyperbole here 
I agree but I've no idea why he sticks with MaguireMaybe he shouldn’t send home the ones that are actually good then?
Dier is no use in there either tbh
Yeah it could work as Kane ends up dropping deep anyway. So something like:
James - Tomori - Stones - Trippier
Rice - Bellingham
Saka - Foden - Rashford
Kane
With players like Sancho, Maddison, Grealish, Mount on the bench.
You may be right and you may be totally wrong. That's the beauty of sport.
There's no space for Foden. He can't be used in a Southgate type system, he's never done much on the right wing, and on the left for Southgate he should be behind Rashford, sterling, Sancho and Grealish. Mount is decent but he best suits Bellingham and Rice. Stop shoe horning players where they don't play and instead go for players who fit each other.
Grealish as well. Just doesn't suit playing out wide for England. Rashford and Shaw have always had a good partnership, and Rashford is the only true inside forward England have. Kane excels next to Son for that reason, and Rashford and Kane have done well together in the past. Use that. Then on the right, Saka is the only natural so it makes sense.
Shoehorning players in systems that don't suit them and alongside players that don't suit them will never work. Rashford, Kane, Saka as a front 3 are well capable of being counter attackers and would suit each other, and the midfield/fullbacks they link with. Bellingham and Mount in front of Rice has a good amount of creativity and running with the ball and a good amount of defensive solidity/work rate.
Another England keeper whose shot stopping is unimpressive.
Haha yeah ok.
Pope is the better keeper and has been playing well for Newcastle.
I agree with this. Foden, Sterling and Grealish just don't have the pace (and are far too greedy on the ball) so you need to use pace which probably means Rashford and Saka.
I just don't rate Mount in the midfield, he hasn't done anything of note for England and has been poor for Chelsea this season as well. I would rather play Maddison or Foden.
He is decent in the middle of a three but he is terrible in a two
He should pick players that deserve to be picked though. Keeps insisting on Maguire when he's been garbage for ages. Shaw at least ok, no real adequate cover. But Maguire should be nowhere near the starters.
Yeah I totally agree
Diabolical footballer. Didn't watch the game, only started watching it from the 2nd goal.
Maddison I could see, but I'm a no on Foden. He never plays midfield and I think the balance would be off. Mount or Maddison would give the best balance to rice and Bellingham who are automatic starters IMO, the others like Foden or Grealish would leave it too light in midfield and wouldn't suit the "system" I think.
Maybe but players like Foden are players you just wouldn’t leave out in big games, not so Grealish but Foden has been exceptional for City. I get what you are saying though. Either way, he needs to change the formation first.
I think we’ll be beaten by the first good side we play as is usually the case with England, but that fight back will at least give them a bit of confidence going into the World Cup.
He has been shite for England though.
I think you have to leave out Foden if he never performs. He's rarely been very good for England in any type of game.
Nah Foden isn't at that level. England have a lot of very good players at a similar level, the only "can't leave out" player in the squad is Kane, and then Bellingham due to no competition. The others are all probably similar enough to competition. Also Foden for City is rotated around among their attacking group, not like he's a key player like Haaland, KdB, Bernardo Silva. Swap him out for any of their other attackers and the average level is usually the same. He's a very good player, but not suited at all to Southgates team and system, and doesn't really suit the players in the England squad either IMO.
And besides, I don't think he's shown more than Sancho, Rashford, Sterling have at their best, they're all similar at their best, so you just go for best fit.
Football is a mental game, this is always overlooked in analyses here or on tv. England score 1-2 and suddenly they do play good football and show mentality. Then Germany scores 3-3 and the game changed again.
One empathic victory over a top 10 country makes a world of difference. Look at how far Hungary has come…
Also something very important is 90min focus and knowing your limits, most players don’t have that knowledge of themselves.
One empathic victory over a top 10 country makes a world of difference. Look at how far Hungary has come…
Also something very important is 90min focus and knowing your limits, most players don’t have that knowledge of themselves.
I think if you don’t play Foden then you have to play Maddison who is a natural 10 and has been performing well for a poor Leicester team.
I know Southgate is too shite to try anything new but surprised Klopp hasn’t tried TAA in midfield with the issues they’ve had
I know Southgate is too shite to try anything new but surprised Klopp hasn’t tried TAA in midfield with the issues they’ve had
Tomori and Stones won their respective leagues playing high line systems. Trent, Walker James and Chilwell are more than fine in that type of system aswell.
It's on Southgate for picking the ones that "can't be trusted".
Liverpool have been at their best with a hard working, industrious midfield. Not sure how Trent helps in that position.
Yep
I meant with the recent injuries they’ve had in that area.
I think Dier is worthy of a place on form and overall quality. Stones' injury might mean Tomori gets a shot (or Coady, ugh). I would have Tarkowski in the squad instead of Maguire.
I would also switch to a 2. We seem to be generally unable to keep the ball well with the 3 and we need Grealish or Mount in the team along with Rice and Bellingham to add creativity.
I would have:
Pickford
Trippier
Stones if fit, if not Tomori
Dier
Chilwell if fit, if not Shaw
Rice
Bellingham
Grealish
Foden
Sterling
Kane
I would also switch to a 2. We seem to be generally unable to keep the ball well with the 3 and we need Grealish or Mount in the team along with Rice and Bellingham to add creativity.
I would have:
Pickford
Trippier
Stones if fit, if not Tomori
Dier
Chilwell if fit, if not Shaw
Rice
Bellingham
Grealish
Foden
Sterling
Kane
I don’t think you can play the 10 wide though in this set up. Bit like Bruno at United.
The issue England have is Kane coming deep into the number 10 area. As such I see like this;
1) You either embrace it and use Kane as a false 9 and let him pull defenders out allowing pace either side to run in behind.
2) You keep Kane as a target man and play a number 10 like Foden centrally behind him (then Rice and Bellingham in a two so a United style set up)
I think without pace either side of Kane England lack that punch. You could see when it was changed tonight they pretty much flattened Germany in the space of 3 minutes.
I would personally scrap this wing back nonsense and play a 4-3-3 style set up flexible to the opposition.
Kane as the CF with pace either side.
Then you could either go with a 10 at the head of the midfield 3 or use Kane to drop in and another CM in the tighter games where you want to hit on the break.
Bellingham and Rice would be the two with a 10 but you could add in someone like Henderson/Phillips for a more conservative slant.
This England team would be so dangerous with a Scholes or Carrick in the midfield.
Trent is in awful form though and can’t defend. Chilwell and James also play in a back 5.
Personally I think England should be moving away from the back 5 and moving to a 433 set up.
Ideal for England should be a 4-3-3 with Eze and Bellingham behind Kane as the two #8/10s with Rice behind them and Sterling and Rashford as the wide men. But that would be too progressive for Southgate