Inter Bid on Veron

Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>...and keane is a complete midfielder..he's a box to box player alot like my fav Bryan Robson..
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Exactly, a roaming player that "creates movement" makes us less unpredictable, shows up unexpected to tip the balance anywhere in midfield/attack. If you don't have that in the EPL you are as good as dead.

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and you are right, keane and veron isn't a great partnership, due to the fact both players like to attack..(in their own way)
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"In their own way" being the key here. Their own ways are not only different but counteract each others influence. You could argue it could help you change your approach to a game passing the playmaking hat to one or the other, the fact is they do it simultaneously and we end up not knowing what we are playing at and even more confused than our opponents!
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Dalmat was tasty at Marseille. As they are prone to do, the Italians have messed up a talent, though he was playing better last season. Never rated kallon though.
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>i wonder if that's why he hits so many long balls?
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That's one of his weapons. "Long balls" makes it sound bad but in other circumstances his main strength is finding the right player with a perfect long pass to leave him face to face with the goalkeeper. Something I have seen him do with devastating effect only too often for the Argies.

Problem is that weapon is not as effective for us as:

1) We usually have just one guy who would be receiving that ball so opponents just put a man on him.

2) There isn't enough space for the receiver to run into (particularly for us as we play against 10-man brickwalls).

3) He does not have enough time/space to actually deliver that so he either overhits (you lose the ball), mishits (less than 50-50 to keep the ball)or gets caught in possession (lost ball).

In a league with a distinct lack of space you shouldn't bank on someone who exploits space but someone who CREATES it.

Mind you, as I said regarding Riquelme, I think Veron is "a fecking great player", certainly the one I would take off the Argie side if we were to face them and you let me pick one. But he just isn't right for us. Bless him for trying but it won't work.
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Problem with Veron is that he is not fast, can't drible, can't tackle, short, weak....
He's be good in Italy.
I'd accept the swap,with some money,too-say 10 milion. throw in Forlan, too if he doesn't start scoring regularly in a couple months' time and give Nardiello or Webber/Timm a chance.
 
It is really nice to see the lads who dont go to OT voicing their opinion.

Listen to this plastics;

VERON HAS BEEN MAJESTIC REPEAT MAJESTIC IN EUROPE THIS YEAR.

Now feck off.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>If he is going to bloody Inter, I would rather have as much money for him as possible. I wouldn't want to see those two useless bastards at United.

Calling 2 of the most promising youngsters in the serie A useless show how misinformed you are.

Dalmat is one of the most promising midfielders in france seen as Zidane's natural successor.

Kallon is a wonderful and powerful top scorer.

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They are hardly two of the most promising youngsters in Serie A. They were promising youngsters 4 years ago, but really haven't accomplished a damn thing.
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I'm so sick of reading post saying 'Seba's crap', 'should never had bought him' or was never 'going to be successful in England'

I bet you were the one's who were bragging to your mates when we signed him.
Ok he hasn't set the world on fire but he's an integral part of our make up and if we win the Champions League in May you'll be praising him again.
 
Dans your a punk. And so are all of you who think this thread is worth time. Fergie ain't never going to sell Veron. Especially with the way he has played in the champions league this season. And if we asnted to win it why bring in the inexperienced Dalmaat and Kallon who will be cuptied any way. And besides only a fool can think that a midfield of Becks, Keane,Butt, Scholes and Giggs can win another champions. Since 99 they tried twice and it didn't work. It ain't gonna start now. Thus says the chief muppets. :cool: <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>It is really nice to see the lads who dont go to OT voicing their opinion.

Listen to this plastics;

VERON HAS BEEN MAJESTIC REPEAT MAJESTIC IN EUROPE THIS YEAR.

Now feck off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wrong board for you sonny - go and check out m-u-f-c.co.uk although there are voices of discontent even there concerning our Argentinian friend.
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Dans, you're subscribing to the hype in the media. Where were Giggs or Ruud in the Bayer matches??? Answer, the same as Veron. It was a shit team performance all round apart from Keano and everyone knows it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But they weren't brought in to "add a new dimension to the teams play in Europe"..

and perform on a more consistent basis, even in the league!! ;)

He's been a flop, no harm in admitting it...
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keep off veron will ya! he has been our best player in the champions league and bollocks to anyone who disagrees! ok he has had some good and bad games in the premiership,but for me evyone has underperformed in the league this season.
 
why do we have to sell Seba to buy a decent striker? There's no reason to sell him, the £28m is gone and even if everyone thought he was the dog's bollox we wouldn't get it back in today's market and anyway it's not my money. I'd rather keep Seba and use him, he's improved no end this year and Scholesy is much happier playing off the striker than he was last season. Given our midfield injuries at the moment we'd be stuffed without Seba. I don't see this as an either/or - if Seba has to sit on the bench for some games, fine. We do need a striker though, the kids who played last night aren't ready yet
 
Originally posted by kf:
<strong>why do we have to sell Seba to buy a decent striker? ... anyway it's not my money."</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm afraid the board doesn't share your perspective. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I hardly think that's necessary do you? There are numerous threads on here about him - you either love him or think he's a pile of wank who's underperformed throughout his career and plays on average 1 decent game every 6 generally against poor opposition. I subscribe to the latter school of thought.</strong><hr></blockquote>

feck YOU BITCH!!!! <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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I dont think its a coincidence that our slump co-incided with the arrival of Veron. Fergie tinkers with the team to accomodate him every week, swapping players positions from week to week. Its no wonder the others have had periods of poor form too. Yes hes played well in europe, but how many games a year is that? should we carry him in the league all year just because he can play the slow european game better? should we bench him in the league and play a player who cost 28 million in 10 euro games a year only?
League teams know that of our midfielders he is the one that will give the ball away when pressurised.
The fact that Fergie ranted that "hes a f*cking good player" says to me that it was frustration boiling over in trying to defend an expensive under-acheiving player.
For me, he has played better this year than last year but not enough. Its still obvious to all that his style is not suited to the fast premier league. In the league he is our weaklink, yes even more so than Phil Neville.
I would sell him but not halfway through a season in January..id wait till the summer and take the best deal we can get for him. There are other creative players out there far better suited to our team & our game than he appears to be. Time for Fergie to swallow his pride.</strong><hr></blockquote>

feck ALL OF YOU ......YOU DONT DESERVE A CLASS PLAYER LIKE VERON ....feckING FAGGOTS!~ BY THE WAY ..ENGLISH FOOTBALL SUCKS! PLZ.....NO feckING SKILL
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Originally posted by antonio:
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feck ALL OF YOU ......YOU DONT DESERVE A CLASS PLAYER LIKE VERON ....feckING FAGGOTS!~ BY THE WAY ..ENGLISH FOOTBALL SUCKS! PLZ.....NO feckING SKILL</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm guessing you reckon Italian football is better than ours because if you talking about MLS (judging by your location) then you need to hire a better guide dog. If you are talking about Italian footie, where we your great teams in the quarter finals of last season CL?
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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I'm guessing you reckon Italian football is better than ours because if you talking about MLS (judging by your location) then you need to hire a better guide dog. If you are talking about Italian footie, where we your great teams in the quarter finals of last season CL?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fair enough about the quarter finals of last season. But all these posts explaining why it's so much harder for Veron and others to succeed in the EPL than in Spain or Italy. The EPL defences are said to be so much better, faster etc, they get no space, no time, etc.

If the EPL is so much better than the others, where have all their great teams been, not just last season, but for the last 15 seasons? I think Italy is slightly ahead of England in championships won over that period, as is Spain. And Germany. In fact, name the major footballing country with a worse record than England.
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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I'm guessing you reckon Italian football is better than ours because if you talking about MLS (judging by your location) then you need to hire a better guide dog. If you are talking about Italian footie, where we your great teams in the quarter finals of last season CL?</strong><hr></blockquote>

SORRY DUDE ...I WAS TALKING BOUT SPANISH FOOTBALL.... AND YEAH THE EPL IS FAST....BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THEY DO IS RUN AND RUN .... NO SKILLS, BABY!! VIVA LA LIGA
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Antonio where are you from ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

SO CAL , ORANGE COUNTY....LIVED IN ARG FOR 10 YRS
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Who said he should be treated differently?

He was bought to add an extra dimension to our play in Europe, not the league. People have short memories and forget when we were creating feck all against Real, Bayern and a host of others.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay. Now you've got me involved. Against Real in 2000 we sucked in the first leg. Played well in the second leg, but we unfortunated to give up the first goal to an OG. Against Bayern in 2001 we lost to a team with the revenge factor. Again sloppy play hurt us in the first leg to give Bayern their goal. I wouldn't say we were better in the CL in 2002 because of Veron. Just see the QF performance agaist Deportivo without him.

For what ever reason Veron has not fit in at OT, consistantly. Talented player though he is, this is true.
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Dans, you're subscribing to the hype in the media. Where were Giggs or Ruud in the Bayer matches??? Answer, the same as Veron. It was a shit team performance all round apart from Keano and everyone knows it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ruud led all CL scorers last season and you question him on the BL performances! Giggs does a hell of alot more creating in the CL than Veron as well. Arguably our best CL performance away to DLC Veron was missing. So your point is.....?
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Originally posted by fortyseven:
<strong>Fair enough about the quarter finals of last season. But all these posts explaining why it's so much harder for Veron and others to succeed in the EPL than in Spain or Italy. The EPL defences are said to be so much better, faster etc, they get no space, no time, etc.
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I wouldn't say the defences are better but that there is a lot more defensive work going on in midfield.

La Liga is very open two-way football with huge scorelines. In the Serie A the strength of the back four/five is relied upon. In both of them more space is available in midfield, which is what Veron needs.

When we play in the EPL the opponents don't rely on outscoring us and don't totally rely on their back four. Everyone knows they need to shut us out in midfield or else so it turns into a battleground where the game is won or lost.

It's not the EPL (and the teams) is better, just a different scenario. In Europe, the challenging teams will rely mostly on what THEY can do while trying to control the game and preferably minimise the threat from the opposition. They don't go out in fear with a gameplan 100% focused on what WE can do and how to stop it.
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First of all Dalmat is an attacking midfielder cum winger which can play anywhere in the midfield. He possess a wonderful dribbling and a cannon like shot and Zidane himself had seen him as his successor

Last year he was exeptional, possibly one of the best players at inter, but this year he was mysteriosly dropped. Cuper wants an Italo-Argentinian team and after bringing in Vivas, Guly and Crespo he sees Veron as the missing link.

Kallon was an Inter Milan player since he came to Italy ( when he was 17yrs) He was loaned to numerous teams in the serie A and B and have always scored loads of goals. He would be a good addition to the team and a perfect cover for RVN
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Insistent rumours say that Inter Milan are preparing a solid bid for Veron

This bid will involve two players Kallon and Dalmat.

Kallon is a powerful striker, deadly in the small box who had scored loads in the Serie A and B. He had played well with Inter but is closed by Vieri and Crespo

Dalmat is an agile and gifted french youngster. He can play anywhere across the midfield and can cover scholes, beckham and giggsie.

We can either choose this package or an exchange with recoba

I think its a wonderful idea because it will give us the strenght in depth needed</strong><hr></blockquote>

Got any quotes, or this planetbollox material?
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Originally posted by fortyseven:
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Fair enough about the quarter finals of last season. But all these posts explaining why it's so much harder for Veron and others to succeed in the EPL than in Spain or Italy. The EPL defences are said to be so much better, faster etc, they get no space, no time, etc.

If the EPL is so much better than the others, where have all their great teams been, not just last season, but for the last 15 seasons? I think Italy is slightly ahead of England in championships won over that period, as is Spain. And Germany. In fact, name the major footballing country with a worse record than England.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you talking in terms of domestic clubs performing in Europe i'd say France and Holland.
Whereas we actually have a pretty decent record.

Man Utd atleast quarters every year for the last 4.
Liverpool - Uefa champions 2001
Leeds - semi finals of CL 2000, Uefa semi finals 2001
Chelsea - Uefa winners 1996

Holland - Ajax and Feyenoord won once. Other than that feck all
France - Manaco & Marsellies came close.
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If the EPL is so much better than the others, where have all their great teams been, not just last season, but for the last 15 seasons?

What a douchebag. If you go back 15 seasons we were still not allowed to play in Europe, so yeah, there's a good chance Italian teams had more success then. Wanker.

BTW the Liverpool team of the mid/late 80's would have pissed on Europe. And the Everton team that won the title would have won the European Cup but never got the chance.
 
Originally posted by antonio:
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SO CAL , ORANGE COUNTY....LIVED IN ARG FOR 10 YRS
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Figures, Feckin Puto
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Who said he should be treated differently?

He was bought to add an extra dimension to our play in Europe, not the league. People have short memories and forget when we were creating feck all against Real, Bayern and a host of others.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You seriously think Fergie paid 28.1 million for a player just to add an extra dimension to our European game and not our league game as well. Remember if we don't do well in the league we may not even get into Europe, also the premiership standard is increasing every year. I agree with your point about us not creating much against Real etc a few years back, the game that we lost to them at Old Trafford springs to mind, the game where Redondo done that flick past Berg, didn't Keano score an OG. In that match we looked too predictable and everyone at the time was saying we needed a player to add something different, and that was presumably why we went for Veron.
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We were creating very few chances before we signed Veron, but after we did, we began playing with a lot more spark, but the people who were creating the chances were everyone but Veron....so we would have been creating chances in Europe with or without Veron.
 
Originally posted by cd:
<strong>We were creating very few chances before we signed Veron, but after we did, we began playing with a lot more spark, but the people who were creating the chances were everyone but Veron....so we would have been creating chances in Europe with or without Veron.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We didn't stop creating chances. Dwight Yorke went right off the boil and couldn't score.

When we played Bayern Munich, we left our leading goalscorer out of the team. Who knows what would have happened if we'd actually played our most in-form forward.

But we didn't. And then we let him go.

Strange decisions imo.
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Originally posted by There's_only_1_team:
<strong>Don't sell Veron!!! Not for virtual unknowns!!</strong><hr></blockquote>


Nothing wrong with unknowns. :D
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