Inter Bid on Veron
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Well said GB.
At least GB acknowledges Veron has played well in Europe.
Veron was a mistake. It's that simple. Now get over him, sell him and move on.
JSV is a wonderful player, but its also a fact that he had disrupted our midfield
Let me explain
In 1999 Manutd startled the world by having one of the best midfields in the world. Its main strenght relied on having players (apart Keane)who grew together so they had a perfect understanding between them.
I agree that we needed a creative forward, bbut spending 28 m on an attacking midfielder so that you can flirt scholes out of his position WASNT a good idea.
Wat we needed was a real creative forward and not another attacking midfielder.
Its a fact that 28m rated veron Cannot stay on the bench and I think that Scholes fits better in our midfieldn than the argie.
I would accept openhanded Inter's offer.
Dalmat is a rising star who can play any where across the midfield and would accept a utility player place at OT. He would PERFECTLY cover Scholes, giggs and beckham, making it easier to Manutd to release them whenever needed.
Kallon is a powerful and born scorer in the mould of RVN. He had played in Italy since he was 17 and had always scored a good share of goals. Maybe he needs more experience but he did well at Inter whenever he was utilised. Kallon would be a perfect cover to RVN. Btw the feckin scousers,Juve and Milan had offered 10m for him last yr sooo he is too bad
I think these players would give us the strenght of depth needed.
Let me explain
In 1999 Manutd startled the world by having one of the best midfields in the world. Its main strenght relied on having players (apart Keane)who grew together so they had a perfect understanding between them.
I agree that we needed a creative forward, bbut spending 28 m on an attacking midfielder so that you can flirt scholes out of his position WASNT a good idea.
Wat we needed was a real creative forward and not another attacking midfielder.
Its a fact that 28m rated veron Cannot stay on the bench and I think that Scholes fits better in our midfieldn than the argie.
I would accept openhanded Inter's offer.
Dalmat is a rising star who can play any where across the midfield and would accept a utility player place at OT. He would PERFECTLY cover Scholes, giggs and beckham, making it easier to Manutd to release them whenever needed.
Kallon is a powerful and born scorer in the mould of RVN. He had played in Italy since he was 17 and had always scored a good share of goals. Maybe he needs more experience but he did well at Inter whenever he was utilised. Kallon would be a perfect cover to RVN. Btw the feckin scousers,Juve and Milan had offered 10m for him last yr sooo he is too bad
I think these players would give us the strenght of depth needed.
No, feck Dalmat. Kallon as a back up striker perhaps, and Recoba as a swap for Veron yes. Otherwise I pretty much agree with what you wrote.
Dans Dalmat is an elegant young stars filled with talent and armed with a cannonball like shot. I agree that He is yet not the finishing product but
1st Lazio rated him 8m last year
2nd He is very near in the french int team
Remember that Inter is no place to learn
Just ask it to F Baresi, Cudicini( I think) Roberto Carlos,Pirlo and M Silvestre. All were scrapped by Inter
1st Lazio rated him 8m last year
2nd He is very near in the french int team
Remember that Inter is no place to learn
Just ask it to F Baresi, Cudicini( I think) Roberto Carlos,Pirlo and M Silvestre. All were scrapped by Inter
Dalmat is a Leeds reject isn't he?
You read that on planet bollox didn't you?! I can't see us being interested in another central midfielder, unless someone other than Veron is on their way.
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>You read that on planet bollox didn't you?! I can't see us being interested in another central midfielder, unless someone other than Veron is on their way.</strong><hr></blockquote>
it's keane.
end of the season to celtic.
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>end of the season to celtic.
Who?
I heard it was Beckham - off to the Arse.
No.
What no?
Was responding to the original post in this thread.
I cannot judge veron as a bad player. In fact I wouldnt even put him on the big 3 Donkey's list ( that consists of Forlan, Blanc and P Nev)
Veron is a magnificent player. He is slowly getting used to the EPL and is showing class expecially in the CL.
But there are 4 facts
Scholes havent settled well as a link man
Scholes is BETTER than Veron.
We Dont need Veron
Veron is too dear to let him sit on the bench
Veron is a magnificent player. He is slowly getting used to the EPL and is showing class expecially in the CL.
But there are 4 facts
Scholes havent settled well as a link man
Scholes is BETTER than Veron.
We Dont need Veron
Veron is too dear to let him sit on the bench
I think Dalmat has been exceptional for Inter during last season, and having Kallon certainly meant they didnt miss Ronaldo as much.
Recoba is a great player, and would probably do well in our squad, but then again people said that about Seba. He's South American, and he'd need to adapt as we've seen with out current 2. Dalmat, however, is French, and all of the french seem to be adapting well to English football.
Still, Dalmat and Kallon are good players, but i would feel slightly ripped off with a straight swap <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Recoba is a great player, and would probably do well in our squad, but then again people said that about Seba. He's South American, and he'd need to adapt as we've seen with out current 2. Dalmat, however, is French, and all of the french seem to be adapting well to English football.
Still, Dalmat and Kallon are good players, but i would feel slightly ripped off with a straight swap <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
No there is also so money involved but there is no details on how much
If he is going to bloody Inter, I would rather have as much money for him as possible. I wouldn't want to see those two useless bastards at United.
Anyone know how much we'd get for Seba? Cant imagine it being more than 20m, and thats if we are extremely fortunate.
If he is going to bloody Inter, I would rather have as much money for him as possible. I wouldn't want to see those two useless bastards at United.
Calling 2 of the most promising youngsters in the serie A useless show how misinformed you are.
Dalmat is one of the most promising midfielders in france seen as Zidane's natural successor.
Kallon is a wonderful and powerful top scorer.
Youre American, football ( or wat you call it Soccer) is not your bread and butter. Watch rugby, basketball, or baseball instead. You are crap in it <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Calling 2 of the most promising youngsters in the serie A useless show how misinformed you are.
Dalmat is one of the most promising midfielders in france seen as Zidane's natural successor.
Kallon is a wonderful and powerful top scorer.
Youre American, football ( or wat you call it Soccer) is not your bread and butter. Watch rugby, basketball, or baseball instead. You are crap in it <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
If this story is to be belived then I think we should only let Seba go if it is a direct swap for Recoba. With Recoba's pace, dribbling, and shooting abilities I think he would fit in well in the Man Utd squad and overall in the English game. Dalmat and Kallon are good players bit I wouldn't call them World Class. Personally I hope Veron stays on and gives us all the kind of performances we all know he is capable of. Fergies top target in Jan should be either Shevchenko or Tristan even if they are cup tied because it is better to get World Class players for the long term than to get a mediocre player for the short term.
Odd as it might sound, I made up my mind on Veron watching Barca on Saturday.
Without my United fan hat on I watched an absolutely fantastic first half from Barca and then saw Riquelme come on for Luis Henrique. That was what I was waiting for as I was very critical of Van Gaal's refusal to play him.
You know what? I concluded he was right. Riquelme is world class, played well and then there was that seemingly effortless great assist for Kluivert's last goal. The guy just looks the part and seems to just run the game walking around the midfield.
For a moment I just thought how good he could be at United... 8m FFS! But then, he would have exactly the same problems as Veron, namely, he wouldn't have the time or space to play his game.
We are not looking for a name here or even skill, we are looking for a specific type of brilliance, that of controlling the tempo of the game not by patience but "vertigo" (can't remember the right word in English). What we are looking for is what down here we call "repentización" (sudden-ness?), just switching the game to break-neck pace, defensive chaos.
That player is hard to find. I have seen Recoba since he was 17 and I'm still not sure he has that. Who has it? Zidane, Ronaldinho, Aimar (why didn't we get HIM?)...
Veron doesn't, he'll get closed down and we'll get punished.
Without my United fan hat on I watched an absolutely fantastic first half from Barca and then saw Riquelme come on for Luis Henrique. That was what I was waiting for as I was very critical of Van Gaal's refusal to play him.
You know what? I concluded he was right. Riquelme is world class, played well and then there was that seemingly effortless great assist for Kluivert's last goal. The guy just looks the part and seems to just run the game walking around the midfield.
For a moment I just thought how good he could be at United... 8m FFS! But then, he would have exactly the same problems as Veron, namely, he wouldn't have the time or space to play his game.
We are not looking for a name here or even skill, we are looking for a specific type of brilliance, that of controlling the tempo of the game not by patience but "vertigo" (can't remember the right word in English). What we are looking for is what down here we call "repentización" (sudden-ness?), just switching the game to break-neck pace, defensive chaos.
That player is hard to find. I have seen Recoba since he was 17 and I'm still not sure he has that. Who has it? Zidane, Ronaldinho, Aimar (why didn't we get HIM?)...
Veron doesn't, he'll get closed down and we'll get punished.
Good post
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Aimar would be perfect for the 'hole' IMO..
he's got good passing and dribbling skills.. he loves to take players on..and thats the extra dimension which we are missing.. we've got some great passers..but only giggs has the ability to pass players.....
even tho' Aimar is a South american, i think he'd succeed in the PL...but thats aslong as he plays the withdrawn forward role...i think he'll also suffer in midlfield as a playmaker.... TBH even zidane would, IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The issue with "playmaking" in the EPL is it cannot possibly be static nor from deep in midfield. If you are to have a playmaker it must be a roaming role (not even "the hole" as a static tactical deployment).
In some way, the only player who actually does that for us is Keane (see, it need not be the most fancy attacking midfielder, Luis Henrique was also doing that for Barca on Saturday!), and that's why he can't play with Veron (two playmakers) and why we are missing him so fecking much! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Out of the three I listed I would defo take Aimar first, then it would be tight between Zidane and Ronaldinho with pluses and minuses for both.
Not that we really have that choice...
auto you make too much sence. swap him , sell him but he is not made for the epl. too much is demanded of cmf. pace of the match is such that he's behind the movements of his teamates. i wonder if that's why he hits so many long balls?
and for 28m invested he cannot sit for league matchs. i've only saw these guys play in uefa cup matchs and the did pretty well but would they make up for the loss of veron in the c/l?
and for 28m invested he cannot sit for league matchs. i've only saw these guys play in uefa cup matchs and the did pretty well but would they make up for the loss of veron in the c/l?
I'd hate to see him go
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