Inter Bid on Veron

[devilish]

Insistent rumours say that Inter Milan are preparing a solid bid for Veron

This bid will involve two players Kallon and Dalmat.

Kallon is a powerful striker, deadly in the small box who had scored loads in the Serie A and B. He had played well with Inter but is closed by Vieri and Crespo

Dalmat is an agile and gifted french youngster. He can play anywhere across the midfield and can cover scholes, beckham and giggsie.

We can either choose this package or an exchange with recoba

I think its a wonderful idea because it will give us the strenght in depth needed

 

[Livvie]

How much are they asking us for.

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>How much are they asking us for.

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[Dans]

Recoba and Kallon I'd have like a shot for Veron. I hope this is true.

 

[Suedesi]

Kallon and Dalmat are useless.

 

[Dans]

So's Veron.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>So's Veron.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bollox

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

Bollox</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Not</strong><hr></blockquote>

Explain...

 

[Dans]

I hardly think that's necessary do you? There are numerous threads on here about him - you either love him or think he's a pile of wank who's underperformed throughout his career and plays on average 1 decent game every 6 generally against poor opposition. I subscribe to the latter school of thought.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

Explain...</strong><hr></blockquote>


What's to explain.

The world and his wife can see that Veron is not the same player in England that he is in Europe.

He doesn't deserve to be treated differently from any other member of the squad who is not performing to their full potential.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I hardly think that's necessary do you? There are numerous threads on here about him - you either love him or think he's a pile of wank who's underperformed throughout his career and plays on average 1 decent game every 6 generally against poor opposition. I subscribe to the latter school of thought.</strong><hr></blockquote>

His performances in Europe have been of the highest standard and very consistent. Describing him as a pile of wank is therefore slightly off the mark. I concur his performances in the league haven't exactly been amazing.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by JSV:
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His performances in Europe have been of the highest standard and very consistent. Describing him as a pile of wank is therefore slightly off the mark. I concur his performances in the league haven't exactly been amazing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

JSV, his performances in Europe have not been of the highest standard. Where was he against Leverkusen in two matches last year? This year he has played well against Olympiakos and Haifa. Wow. I could probably play well against them. His performances in the league have been failures.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


What's to explain.

The world and his wife can see that Veron is not the same player in England that he is in Europe.

He doesn't deserve to be treated differently from any other member of the squad who is not performing to their full potential.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who said he should be treated differently?

He was bought to add an extra dimension to our play in Europe, not the league. People have short memories and forget when we were creating feck all against Real, Bayern and a host of others.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

JSV, his performances in Europe have not been of the highest standard. Where was he against Leverkusen in two matches last year? This year he has played well against Olympiakos and Haifa. Wow. I could probably play well against them. His performances in the league have been failures.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dans, you're subscribing to the hype in the media. Where were Giggs or Ruud in the Bayer matches??? Answer, the same as Veron. It was a shit team performance all round apart from Keano and everyone knows it.

 

[Livvie]

No United supporter would want Veron to fail, that's obvious.

So when we say that he isn't as good as his fee, that's because he isn't. Or hasn't been.

I like Seba - I would love to see him succeed. But you can't keep carrying a player based on the potential of what he might do.

He has had a few brilliant games. But not nearly as many as Roy Keane. Probably not as many as Paul Scholes either.

Point is, he doesn't stand out from the others in any way, shape or fashion.

And no amount of wishing it was different will make it so.

He needs time on the ball, and in England he isn't going to get it, and that's even more the case against decent opposition.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>No United supporter would want Veron to fail, that's obvious.

So when we say that he isn't as good as his fee, that's because he isn't. Or hasn't been.

I like Seba - I would love to see him succeed. But you can't keep carrying a player based on the potential of what he might do.

He has had a few brilliant games. But not nearly as many as Roy Keane. Probably not as many as Paul Scholes either.

Point is, he doesn't stand out from the others in any way, shape or fashion.

And no amount of wishing it was different will make it so.

He needs time on the ball, and in England he isn't going to get it, and even more so against decent opposition.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Livvie, i'm not suggested he should be played in every game. I'm saying he can and has shown he can be a valuble asset to the squad. If we sell him we lose that asset, no two ways about it. Do you now think that when every part of the club - the manager, the players and the fans were calling for big money to be spent on a creative player two years ago they all were well wide of the mark? No they weren't. I remember when we should have gone out in the first round against Kiev. Things were all perfect then weren't they? No, we have undoubtebly improved in Europe since he was bought.

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>
He needs time on the ball, and in England he isn't going to get it, and that's even more the case against decent opposition.</strong><hr></blockquote>


that much is obvious, livvie. . .so who's fault is it? scouts? manager?

 

[Suedesi]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>So's Veron.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok, so instead of one crap player, you'd like two?

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


that much is obvious, livvie. . .so who's fault is it? scouts? manager?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The manager decides when a player is best suited to the conditions of a certain match. Veron should be benched (as should anyone else) when he is not.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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that much is obvious, livvie. . .so who's fault is it? scouts? manager?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why do you have to blame someone for it? Not a constructive way to solve a problem. If a problem occurs, one should look at ways to solve it, not start pointing fingers at people.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

Dans, you're subscribing to the hype in the media. Where were Giggs or Ruud in the Bayer matches??? Answer, the same as Veron. It was a shit team performance all round apart from Keano and everyone knows it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No I'm not - I'm watching the games with my own eyes and deciding for myself - perhaps you should try it. I've had a go at others in the past, the difference is though JSV, that they have all performed for us in the past and consistently at that. Veron hasn't.

Don't be getting all minstrel with me just because you chose a daft name when you registered.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

No I'm not - I'm watching the games with my own eyes and deciding for myself - perhaps you should try it. I've had a go at others in the past, the difference is though JSV, that they have all performed for us in the past and consistently at that. Veron hasn't.

Don't be getting all minstrel with me just because you chose a daft name when you registered.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What do you suggest we do?

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by Suedesi:
<strong>

Ok, so instead of one crap player, you'd like two? </strong><hr></blockquote>

At least the probability of a good performance increases eh?

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

What do you suggest we do?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sell him.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

The manager decides when a player is best suited to the conditions of a certain match. Veron should be benched (as should anyone else) when he is not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So why hasn't he been then.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

No I'm not - I'm watching the games with my own eyes and deciding for myself - perhaps you should try it. I've had a go at others in the past, the difference is though JSV, that they have all performed for us in the past and consistently at that. Veron hasn't.

Don't be getting all minstrel with me just because you chose a daft name when you registered.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think he's performed consistently well in Europe. You cite the Bayer game as evidence when it is the exception rather than the underlying trend.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

So why hasn't he been then.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How should I know?

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Sell him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Without replacing him? And for how much?

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

Why do you have to blame someone for it? Not a constructive way to solve a problem. If a problem occurs, one should look at ways to solve it, not start pointing fingers at people.</strong><hr></blockquote>


it was a feck-up, and a damned expensive one. usually someone is answerable for such things.

there's only one solution to this any road. . .sell him.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

So why hasn't he been then.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think we've had much choice to bench him this season, with the injuries and suspensions we've had

 

[Livvie]

I'm not bothered if we sell him or not tbh.

On the whole I'd prefer him to stay and do his stuff in Europe.

But 9 times out of 10 the team doesn't play well in England when he's in the side.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>

I think he's performed consistently well in Europe. You cite the Bayer game as evidence when it is the exception rather than the underlying trend.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Consistently well against very bad teams - that's the underlying trend.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


it was a feck-up, and a damned expensive one. usually someone is answerable for such things.

there's only one solution to this any road. . .sell him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So, if he contributes as much as he's done in Europe so far this season, and we win the competition, has it still been a 'feck-up'?

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

Without replacing him? And for how much?</strong><hr></blockquote>


If we did sell him, he wouldn't need replacing. We could use the money for a striker.

On mUTV the other night they reckoned that if we sold him we'd only get arund 5-8 million!

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>
But 9 times out of 10 the team doesn't play well in England when he's in the side.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it's a kop-out, and a very easy way to explain our underperformance in the League.

There's more to it than Seba.

 

[MancFanFromManc]

Its a strange time to be slating Veron ie. after some tremendous performances, including good goals and assists.

His work rate is up and so is his confidence.

It certainly doesnt make sense to ditch a world class player for two average ones.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Consistently well against very bad teams - that's the underlying trend.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, Depor for example.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

Without replacing him? And for how much?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like I said at the begining of this thread I would take Recoba for him - he'd be cover where we need it (LW) and another attacking option for CM. I'd be prepared to take him and 10m or so, but I doubt we'd get that. As for Veron's selling price - how would I know? We're gonna take a loss on him whatever happens.

 

[Dans]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

I think it's a kop-out, and a very easy way to explain our underperformance in the League.

There's more to it than Seba.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think we are not using him as an explanation for our poor performance in the league.