Agreed. Those stats look far to good although that my be my unfamiliarity with the technique used, Cox’s proportional hazards regression analyses. Not an analysis I'm familiar with as I'm more familiar with scientific studies where you have before and after (plus control) actual measurements and you look for statistical differences (or similarities) between the groups. This is statistical modeling rather than statistical analysis of experimental findings I believe. My (admittedly limited) understanding of hazard regression analysis is that it requires that the hazards across the group must be the same except for the target factor (COVID) and constant over time. If for example those with COVID had trained far less on average than those who hadn't had it then that would be a violation of the first assumption and presumably, unless you had long COVID (I assume none did in the Belgian study as it wasn't mentioned) the risk isn't constant over time, as any muscle damage/effect would surely be more pronounced closer to the time of the infection than later?
Injury Crisis 2023/24 | Martínez and Casemiro back in training
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Agreed. Those stats look far to good although that my be my unfamiliarity with the technique used, Cox’s proportional hazards regression analyses. Not an analysis I'm familiar with as I'm more familiar with scientific studies where you have before and after (plus control) actual measurements and you look for statistical differences (or similarities) between the groups. This is statistical modeling rather than statistical analysis of experimental findings I believe. My (admittedly limited) understanding of hazard regression analysis is that it requires that the hazards across the group must be the same except for the target factor (COVID) and constant over time. If for example those with COVID had trained far less on average than those who hadn't had it then that would be a violation of the first assumption and presumably, unless you had long COVID (I assume none did in the Belgian study as it wasn't mentioned) the risk isn't constant over time, as any muscle damage/effect would surely be more pronounced closer to the time of the infection than later?
Given the miracle that's required to turn our fortunes around this seems a good way of hedging our bets.
This is not a one off season though, it seems like the minute players join united they start to become injury prone, pogba, beek, sanchez, martial, martinez, casimero, Shaw, Mount, herrera, I can also remember lvg experiencing a terrible season of injuries.
How is by getting more BAME, female, and multi-faith in increasing the medical efficiency/quality? Are they hiring this consultant from government office?
So Eriksen, Casemiro and Licha back in training now?
Those 3 will make a world of a difference to the way we will play. Especially helping with transition, which has likely been a big reason of why we have been so miserable and shot shy
Are they all back mate?
Haven’t seen…
Amad is back too so that leaves us waiting on Mount?
I saw Casemiro and Amad for sure. Not sure about Licha and so, I was asking if anyone has an update. Licha has been attending the training sessions to give a support to the team (that's how I read it)
Mount should be back also or in a days matter.
It's going to be like Endgame when all the snapped Avengers come back to fight Thanos
Finally, all the players coming back by mid-Jan and hopefully we can see ETH's true style of play?
We’ll finally be able to dominate teams and score freely, like City.
We have 2 game in January with one being a cup game v Wigan. It’s almost perfect timing and we need behind closed doors games to take advantage
Get through Christmas and there’s only one EPL game in January , so hopefully by time we play wolves we have a mostly fit squad. If we can get 5 or 6 points from next 3 games that’s not great but ok.
I really feel like getting knocked out of CL could really work out for us, particularly if those around us struggle with injuries and fatigue in second half of season. We should be fresh and if we can build up some momentum, could be a savage finish to the season. Couple that with more competent people on the football side and things would really be looking up.
The choice of song after Ten Hag is in his last chance saloon
The choice of song after Ten Hag is in his last chance saloon
I have no interest in the stupid music they play.
So one more game without them?
Hope they are back in full training by then so they get plenty of grass time before actually playing.
Mount hasn’t set the world alight yet but if he can hit some form he’ll bag us a few goals.
Bit gutted we have none of them for Spurs
That doesn't look overly optimistic. Seems like they we will get like 3 months out of them this season max.
It has been ridiculous our injuries this season. Good to see them getting back at least.
The season's gone anyway, we should ease them back in to try and avoid repeat injuries rather than get them back ASAP,, in the long run I that would probably benefit us more
When you factor in that it takes over a month of pre season games and maybe the first few EPL games to get to peak fitness, it will prob be end of Feb before we can expect them to be at their best.
Definitely.... Hopefully the injury period was actually needed after last seasons gruelling schedule and they come back fresh for second half of season.
Cant wait for them to be rushed back and get injured again.
Seen another report saying Martinez has a chance of making the Spurs game
Yeah that was coming from Wheeler apparently
Martinez and Casemiro were reported to be back to full training since last week.
It might be too short for the games against Tottenham but they’ll most likely play in our next cup game, especially given the opposition.
We may even have Shaw back for the Wolves game
It might be too short for the games against Tottenham but they’ll most likely play in our next cup game, especially given the opposition.
We may even have Shaw back for the Wolves game
Wtf is Malacia ?
A Dutch left-back
I mean they’ve hardly been rushed. They’ve all been missing for months
They won't get gradually phased back in. They'll be thrown in the deep end and not rotated. Predicted it when Shaw got injured after coming back. Same will happen with these two.
A myth.
So am I right in thinking Shaw, Eriksen and Maguire will be back for Spurs? Along with Amad who was ill for the cup game.
Then Mount, Casemiro and Martinez thereafter?
Which still leaves us in the dark about Malacia and Antony .. assume Martial is going this window.
Then Mount, Casemiro and Martinez thereafter?
Which still leaves us in the dark about Malacia and Antony .. assume Martial is going this window.