And I am saying if he did it more he would be a better player. He is not the best in the world, could be though. Really don't see what's so controversial about this.
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And I am saying if he did it more he would be a better player. He is not the best in the world, could be though. Really don't see what's so controversial about this.
There's plenty of times Iniesta has put a player one one one only for the player to pass it for another striker to tap it in. He doesn't get the assist for it, but deserves it. There's videos of that but I think I've posted enough already.
and I've argued for why that doesn't detract from the argument that this is nonetheless a lack in his game.
Suppose it's all been already about Iniesta, but what a player. Best midfielder in the world for me, and the only other similar player out there at the moment that's near his level is Ryan Giggs.
His dribbling ability isn't at the level Messi's is, but fecking hell it's close.
His dribbling ability isn't at the level Messi's is, but fecking hell it's close.
I am sorry to bring up Modric again, but I actually think it is justified for this thread...
Someone tell me how Modric could not be as good for us as Iniesta is for Barca?
They are exactly the same.
Someone tell me how Modric could not be as good for us as Iniesta is for Barca?
They are exactly the same.
can't think of a better midfikder in the game right now. Who do you have in mind? Please not fabregas.
You get posting privileges back for the football forum and you decide to do this?
You're clever, well done.
They're not, everything Modric does, Iniesta does it better.You're getting ridiculous with your constant Modric sucking
Mmmm
I really must be some old fogy
I cannot see that Iniesta is near Scholes peak level and if I'm honest I cant see he ever will be
Obviously he very good but Scholes is / has been a fking special special player
I really must be some old fogy
I cannot see that Iniesta is near Scholes peak level and if I'm honest I cant see he ever will be
Obviously he very good but Scholes is / has been a fking special special player
Modric is not a patch on Iniesta and i dont think he could play centre mid in the Premiership.
For me Fabregas and Scholes are the closest things.
What makes Iniesta is having Xavi along side him, and visa versa. Apart from Jedward, Xaviesta are the best duo about.
For me Fabregas and Scholes are the closest things.
What makes Iniesta is having Xavi along side him, and visa versa. Apart from Jedward, Xaviesta are the best duo about.
I don't think so. Xaviesta can sing better than Jedward, so this round goes to them.
Do you think Iniesta could play centre mid in the Premiership?
I don't think there's a huge gulf in class between Fabregas, Gerrard, Xavi and Iniesta to say uniformly that one is most definitely better than the others.
That said, what I am saying is that Iniesta has so much to his game he could the standout player in the world (assuming Messi doesn't go ridiculous on us at the same time).
Tbh, I find it a bit weird then when it is pointed out what he can improve to get to such a level, people somehow take umbrage at the fact that he is not the perfect player.
Don't. Just... Don't.
Gerrard as a midfielder should not be mentioned in the same breath as Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas.
Those three are a class above at the moment. It's amazing what Spain have at their disposal in midfield.
Obviously he can improve, it's silly to suggest otherise.
But for me he's the best. All those players are very good but at their top form Iniesta just has that bit more. I'm never frightened of xavi and fabregas when we play against them. They are great players but they generally hurt you with their passing. Iniesta has that and then more. He could do that for 15 mins and then waltz past your midfield for fun. The combination is something special.
I just can't think of any footallwr in the world who could have done to us what he did in the final. He passed us off the park and carved us apart with his dribbling.
For me he was definitely one of the standout players of world football last season. Possibly tv best in the second half including the semis and finals of the cl.
And Fabregas does that too, how many times do you see us pass the ball/try to pass the ball into the net?
All players do that.
i highly doubt that.
Im pretty sure all goals are scored either 'Route 1', or 'Route 1, pass, goal', unless of course Iniesta is involved and its 'Route 1 attempt, revoered by iniesta who passes to a player, who passes again, goal'. This is known as an Iniesta Fiesta.
Hleb pioneered such a move.
It's Hleb's highway to goal.
It's Hleb's highway to goal.
except often the strikers would miss, and where helb should have an assist, Arsenal don't even have a goal.
Whilst I don't doubt Iniesta is a quality player of the highest order in a very good side, I think a lot of the plaudit is stemming from the fact that he had a maginificent game in the final versus us back in May, and yes he had a very fine season but I have seen Iniesta not so productive when chased down by a biting midifielder and was in fact fairly ordinary in the two matches versus us the season before when we had Anderson and Hargreaves and also Scholes (who for once was actually effective in the tackle).
As I say I'm not saying he's not good because he clearly is excellent, I just think many are judging him on the match against us in the final where he was given the run of the pitch......
As I say I'm not saying he's not good because he clearly is excellent, I just think many are judging him on the match against us in the final where he was given the run of the pitch......
He was also the best player on the pitch when his team weren't very good againts Chelsea who had a team full of midfielders chasing him down. Still came up with a brilliant winner and was by far the best player on the pitch.
Gerrard is not a midfielder, he's a forward/ striker now. So as a midfielder Gerrard should be nowhere near the rest, maybe Lampard.
Personally for me, Fabregas and Xavi are similar players. While the latter has been clearly the better player over the years Fabregas should catch up over these next few. And again IMO Iniesta has just a bit extra beyond both.
Also, Essien should be amongst the best, but I can't help but feel he's always in the shadows at Chelsea.
Hleb for Arsenal in his last season was the closest thing I've seen to an iniesta type player.
Sure. Especially to a man who took ages to get I wasn't agreeing with him.
That's where I think the divide in opinion comes - people like you and AttackingFlair are basing who's the best midfielder from what they can do at their best, whereas others value consistency a lot more.
Iniesta can control midfields. Xavi does, all the time. Iniesta can do more at his best, but Xavi's at his best more often.
Consistency's key in my view. Iniesta's by no means inconsistent any more, but Xavi's just ridiculously consistent.
It's impossible to know your intentions if you're not actually making a logical point.
I've never seen Iniesta control the midfield in the way that Fabregas or Xavi frequently do. He's a very good player and has a big impact on many games he plays in but he doesn't run them as far as I've seen.
Okay, you have Xavi, a playmaker, a temposetter who is at home and at his best doing this very job. YOu also have Iniesta who is just as good although less experienced in the role but unlike Xavi he is also at home in a more advanced and less advanced position whilst being adept on either flank...
Iniesta wont take over from Xavi because whilst Xavi is there he doesnt need to. He can play in other areas and make impacts in different ways but he absolutely can run a midfield.
Browned might be right but Iniesta has his best years, as a midfielder he is still young and can only get better.
Iniesta wont take over from Xavi because whilst Xavi is there he doesnt need to. He can play in other areas and make impacts in different ways but he absolutely can run a midfield.
Browned might be right but Iniesta has his best years, as a midfielder he is still young and can only get better.
I think you have a point here, if people think that Iniesta could play as a CM in the PL then Modric should be able to aswell.
Iniesta is better though.
Gijon last season sticks in my mind as a very impressive showing from Iniesta in that sense. Haven't seen Xavi control midfields much better than that, although I've seen him do it as well numerous times.
All this talk about Iniesta last season against us, yet Xavi won MOTM against us. Makes no sense to me.
All this talk about Iniesta last season against us, yet Xavi won MOTM against us. Makes no sense to me.
Iniesta was absolutely sensational against us, nobody could get near him literally all game. There's a compilation on you tube but I'm not trying to relive that humiliation again. He takes it hands down in my opinion, haven't quite seen a performance like that in a final in a long time.
Iniesta was excellent, Xavi was excellent.
Xavi controlled the midfield, Iniesta continually probed and tried to penetrate it.
Pretty typical game from the two of them, I thought. That's why they're undoubtedly the two best midfielders in the world right now.
Xavi controlled the midfield, Iniesta continually probed and tried to penetrate it.
Pretty typical game from the two of them, I thought. That's why they're undoubtedly the two best midfielders in the world right now.
Post the link.
I too thought Iniesta was amazing in this game. Messi was a lot better than people think, Iniesta and Messis interplay was brilliant from what I recall..
Undoubtedly? Right now?
I take it you haven't been watching the Premier League this season, that, and been living under a rock.
You took right now too literally, I feel.
Whenever someone says so and so is the best defender/midfielder/striker it generally means on the basis of their performances over the last couple of seasons.
And I meant undoubtedly in my mind.
And yes, Fabregas has been excellent this season.
Fabregas has been sensational. Best so far this season IMO. Early days but he's been special.