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Ineos appointments - Who will they be?
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I posted this in the other thread because I hadn't seen this one:
No idea how accurate it is though. As others have mentioned, Wilcox might not even be being considered for that role.
Those damn O'Driscolls.
Macaulay is Graham Potter's scout/analyst who he has taken to every club he has coached thus far. I think if there's any truth to this then I believe Graham Potter may well be being lined up to be our head coach for next season.
Jeez when will someone get and appoint him,sends a shudder down my spine that he's still on the market
He's actually a good coach and I wouldn't judge him on the shitshow under Boehly.
The only way it could work for him here is IF every single ego was cleared out of dressing room. Still feel that there are better coaches around Europe they could appoint if Erik can't turn it around.
I agree mate. Every single player who doesn't do the bare minimum needs to be moved on. We can't on one hand say we want to be a proactive attacking team with a intense out of possession game, and then carry players who don't contribute in that regard. Systems and styles are only implemented if the collective playing unit apply themselves with and without the ball.
We need Ten Hag way more than we need Potter.
Wilcox's first day at work:
Newcastle want £20M for Ashworth? They're mad 
The extended gardening leave has to be unfair contract terms. He's an employee ffs!
The extended gardening leave has to be unfair contract terms. He's an employee ffs!
Life’s unfair.Newcastle want £20M for Ashworth? They're mad
The extended gardening leave has to be unfair contract terms. He's an employee ffs!
Notice that Whitwell specifically references Ward in his article,so suggests that he is still being considered presumably for Head of Recruitment.
https://www.footballinsider247.com/...promise-after-man-united-talks-today-sources/
perhaps the geordies are starting to act like grownups.
perhaps the geordies are starting to act like grownups.
There seems to be a lot of misinformation out there about the roles of Berrada, Ashworth, Brailsford, and even the manager we will potentially bring in.
Berrada is going to be CEO, he will be mainly taking care of the business, the institution that is Manchester United, and his input into style of play will be minimal. People keep mentioning his influence over the way we play, but we won't become a possession-based side on the pitch like City because of Berrada. His role at City would not have seen him involved in the technical part of football. What I imagine he can do is suggest potential managers that he may have worked with. We need him to use his expertise in business to make us an efficient club with stability moving forward.
Ashworth as DoF will be the main man. Signing players, play style, fitness departments, science departments, coaching staff, this is all Ashworth. He will make the appointments that will determine the way we play, and our scouting department will report to the recruitment chief that he appoints. So the buck stops with him. In an ideal set up, his opinion on potential coaches, signings and other departments should be final. He will receive advice from the manager, head of each department and his superiors such as Berrada and Ratcliffe, but we need him to carry enough weight to keep us moving in right direction. This is why the best directors of football have often been at the same club for 8 years+, they typically are the system for the first few years until the identity grows and resonates with the club itself. Pep often responds to questions regarding his squad by referring to Txiki and giving him the credit for identifying the right fits for his system.
Ten Hag or his potential replacement should be a head coach, not a manager. Ratcliffe made note of it in his interview, that the coach will be expected to play the style the club instils, and so really the influence of the head coach will purely be what we see on the pitch.
Because we haven't had a competent administration in so long, a big part of our supporter base seems to have blurred the lines between the CEO and DoF.
Berrada is going to be CEO, he will be mainly taking care of the business, the institution that is Manchester United, and his input into style of play will be minimal. People keep mentioning his influence over the way we play, but we won't become a possession-based side on the pitch like City because of Berrada. His role at City would not have seen him involved in the technical part of football. What I imagine he can do is suggest potential managers that he may have worked with. We need him to use his expertise in business to make us an efficient club with stability moving forward.
Ashworth as DoF will be the main man. Signing players, play style, fitness departments, science departments, coaching staff, this is all Ashworth. He will make the appointments that will determine the way we play, and our scouting department will report to the recruitment chief that he appoints. So the buck stops with him. In an ideal set up, his opinion on potential coaches, signings and other departments should be final. He will receive advice from the manager, head of each department and his superiors such as Berrada and Ratcliffe, but we need him to carry enough weight to keep us moving in right direction. This is why the best directors of football have often been at the same club for 8 years+, they typically are the system for the first few years until the identity grows and resonates with the club itself. Pep often responds to questions regarding his squad by referring to Txiki and giving him the credit for identifying the right fits for his system.
Ten Hag or his potential replacement should be a head coach, not a manager. Ratcliffe made note of it in his interview, that the coach will be expected to play the style the club instils, and so really the influence of the head coach will purely be what we see on the pitch.
Because we haven't had a competent administration in so long, a big part of our supporter base seems to have blurred the lines between the CEO and DoF.
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Theyre just being petty. They dont want him to join us so they take the path with most resistance for us.Newcastle want £20M for Ashworth? They're mad
The extended gardening leave has to be unfair contract terms. He's an employee ffs!
Anyone else got a bit lost with this?
Berrada and Ashworth was easy to follow. The Arnold and Murtough replacements.
The mix of Wilcox, Freeman etc is a bit more difficult to follow
Berrada and Ashworth was easy to follow. The Arnold and Murtough replacements.
The mix of Wilcox, Freeman etc is a bit more difficult to follow
Wilcox looks like hel take over the academy. Might make Fletcher more redundant who knows. Freeman is a recruitment head. Ashworth won't specialise in recruitment.
Wilcox is the target for technical director and Freedman rumoured to be the target for head of recruitment though James Ducker seems to have pushed back against that report today. We're also looking for a performance director that will basically oversee the sports science side of things. The technical director and performance director will both report to Ashworth directly.
Thanks. And to you @Tom Van Persie
If Ashworth won’t specialise in recruitment, what would he specialise in?
Genuine question. I just assumed the Sports Director would be behind IDing and signing players to fit the style of football he sets, in conjunction with the Head Scout
That's an interesting interview. As far as I can understand, Ashworth did not select either Eddie Howe (arrived at Newcastle before him) or Graham Potter (chosen by Brighton owner Tony Bloom). Similarly, the Brighton style of play and approach came from their owner.
So who is making those decisions at United ? We need a Director of Football who is capable of making the big decisions; firing managers, hiring managers, knowing when to pull out of transfers deals when the cost is excessive and so on.
This should be mandatory viewing for everyone on the site. In 9 minutes, he captures the essence of almost every single thing that is or has gone wrong at United when talking about what he and his role are there to do. He gives a good outline of roughly how this club is going to function from the summer onwards.
I think the bolded question rather misses the point. We don't want to sign a saviour to tell us what to do and make us great again because that model works twice in a great club's history. Ashworth would be a cog in a machine.
So are you saying that Freedman is the target for Performance Director or am I confused
Miguel Delaney, Ed Aarons and Alex Crook reported that we're targeting Freedman to be the head of recruitment but James Ducker wrote in his article today that United have distanced themselves from a move for Freedman. Performance director is a totally different role and the person they hire for that I imagine will have a background in sports science.
Ashworth will be the centre of the cog. Every branch (recruitment, scouting, fitness, sports science, coaching staff) will rotate around him.
In an efficient set up, you will have a chief scout and head of recruitment who will scout the globe for the best talents, and then shrink down the list to who they believe are the best fits for the club, they will then present that to Ashworth who will determine whether that player is or is not a great fit. Ashworth will already have a database of players he would have been presented with in his previous jobs. And he will also use his networks and own talents to find players who he may choose to pursue.
He will also play a similar role with the fitness staff, the coaching staff and sports science. He will hire specialists who are the best in that field and then ensure their job is up to scratch. And if any important decisions need to be made, they will likely need Ashworth's approval first.
So his job is mainly to ensure all our departments are at their best, and also then using the information brought forth by scouts and recruitment team to carefully choose and craft the best possible squad for our manager.
When it comes to style of play, its not so much he will tell the coach how to play, but he will choose the coach that already plays that way, and provide them the right players to play the way he sees fit. Similar to what Txiki did at City by bringing in the likes of Pellegrini before Pep, they have a "similar" ethos and so naturally the club played possession football under both managers.
He oversees the whole operation as opposed to specializing in one department.
This is brilliant and he lays it out very clearly as well. Hope we hang on to him.
Ducker is a more reliable source for Utd so would say there is probably some truth in what he's saying. Maybe this is gonna be someone not even mentioned in the press like we saw with Berrada.
The question and his answer at 4:07 in that video may as well have namedropped Man Utd as a club doing things the wrong way. Talks about how it's important for the club to decide on the style and philosophy, and to then sign managers that fit that rather than signing managers with different philosophy's and relying on them to set that style.
Paraphrasing: "If you keep changing the manager ever 14 months or so (which is the average lifespan of a manager) and then go from one philosophy to another, you've got no chance of working out your loans, your academy, your development program and your player recruitment. You end up having to change 16-18 players in order to change the principles and philosophy."
Correct.
I dont think he and INEOS are blind to manager philosophy and how that's distorted under a poor structure either. If Ten Hag had form for poor football before he came here then sure, he'd be on the rocks or sacked beyond reasonable doubt.
However they know that philosophy needs to be in sync with the structure and the right support is needed to realise that.
Thanks. He interviews very well
Can't say I've ever heard him talk before, he spoke very well in that. He doesn't seem the tallest, possibly same size as a Joe Rogan and/or Tom Cruise. Lack of height hasn't hurt them in their respective fields. I like the idea of the club deciding the philopshy and hiring managers accordingly, and not the other way around.
Yeah always felt that he comes across very knowledgeable on the game which is a big plus
Where are Ashworth, Wilcox, and co.?
I'm getting a bit worried.
I'm getting a bit worried.
Watering their gardens
And what about Kate?
Now that the CEO, sports director & technical director personnel have been ID'ed. Is there any latest on the apparent Head of Recruitment appointment?
Very important IMO because we're shit at recruitment. Any journalists said who'll be in charge of recruitment this summer? Hopefully not Eridivise Erik.
Very important IMO because we're shit at recruitment. Any journalists said who'll be in charge of recruitment this summer? Hopefully not Eridivise Erik.
Seems that has gone quiet over the last month. Last I read was that Wilcox was to be in charge of recruitment this summer but that after that there'll be someone in place with them hoping that the situation with Ashworth will be sorted out and then he can appoint someone.
Thank you
Wilcox being in charge of recruitment for this summer seems sensible given that he's the one who'll apparently be in charge of the style of football United are going to implement and the style of players they're going to target.
My worry is that he's only been here 2 minutes, and as far as I can see has no previous experience in a recruitment / scouting role.