Indians suspend Aussie tour

Wibble said:
Watching that video it looked like a good catch in that he had full control of the ball before it touched. I can see why it wasn't given but Ponting would have been an idiot not to appeal.
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It did hit the ground and he would have felt it surely so it wasn't right to appeal for it. Of course what he did in the first innings was the right thing but this was the tail end of the match that they were trying to win so he went for it. It was never a catch and him tying to defend it later on was quite stupid, actually make that down right retarded.

Regarding 'the stop chucking your toys of your pram bit'. The players quite clearly believe that a false charge has been made against Harbhajan, how you can expect them to let the matter be I don't know. I'm sure the Aussies themselves would have called off the tour or something if they were in this situation.
 
I think sledging has got out of control.
There is a big difference for banter out in the field and downright abuse.

Example of banter
Ian Botham goes out to bat and Rod Marsh the Aussie wicketkeeper says "Hows YOUR wife and MY kids"
Botham replies "My wife is fine. Your kids are ugly bastards".
No harm done.

Example of abuse
New Zealand cricketer goes out to bat. His sister died in a train crash a few weeks previous.
The Aussie fielders make "choo choo" noises.
Not nice. Not funny. Not clever.

Football has its fair share of hard men but I cant see many of them doing that to an opponent.
 
Why are there people burning effigies of Asutralian cricketers? That is just sick.
 
I DONT KNOW HOW WHERE THEY GET THESE EFFERGIES FROM, I FIND IT HILARIOUS.

anyway at least we didnt lose. bloody hell did you see siddu on the tv that guys a legend. bandar!
 
if i may ask
why is calling someone a monkey deemed offensive

i mean people say Motherfu**er and other things so easily to each other
why such a fuss about being called a monkey

so its ok if i call someone a donkey or an idiot or even an asshole
but its not fine if i call them a monkey

what the hell ????
 
Sidhu on the subject...



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The media in India seem to be going overboard as usual.
 
jatin said:
if i may ask
why is calling someone a monkey deemed offensive

i mean people say Motherfu**er and other things so easily to each other
why such a fuss about being called a monkey

so its ok if i call someone a donkey or an idiot or even an asshole
but its not fine if i call them a monkey

what the hell ????
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It's a slight against black people, I can see why it may be taken as such. We hardly ever hear other races being called monkeys. It's surely a deliberate provocation based on features and skin colour.

I can't see how you can defend Symonds being called a monkey. I would say the important question is the manner in which Bhaji was found guilty.
 
Sultan said:
It's a slight against black people, I can see why it may be taken as such. We hardly ever hear other races being called monkeys. It's surely a deliberate provocation based on features and skin colour.

I can't see how you can defend Symonds being called a monkey. I would say the important question is the manner in which Bhaji was found guilty.
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All of us have evolved from monkeys

black, white, asian any race

i dont need to defend symonds being called a monkey

thats exactly what I am asking, why do people consider it sooooo offensive

i mean grow up ffs
symonds gives a lot of shit/sledge to others

being called a monkey is less offensive in my eyes than being called madarchod (motherf***er), behnchod (sisterf***er), behn ke land (you are your sisters dick or somethin like that), randi ki paidaish (son of a whore) etc etc
 
jatin said:
All of us have evolved from monkeys

black, white, asian any race

i dont need to defend symonds being called a monkey

thats exactly what I am asking, why do people consider it sooooo offensive

i mean grow up ffs
symonds gives a lot of shit/sledge to others

being called a monkey is less offensive in my eyes than being called madarchod (motherf***er), behnchod (sisterf***er), behn ke land (you are your sisters dick or somethin like that), randi ki paidaish (son of a whore) etc etc
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:lol: Never heard that one before.
 
mehro said:
What are you doing in this thread anyway?
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Talking about cricket, obviously. I'm allowed to talk about cricket, even though I can't play it very well- I have problems getting the ball over the net. Its my second favourite sport. Especially women's cricket, ok so its lacking in the speed and power of the mens game but the women look much better in their outfits.
 
jatin said:
All of us have evolved from monkeys

black, white, asian any race

i dont need to defend symonds being called a monkey

thats exactly what I am asking, why do people consider it sooooo offensive

i mean grow up ffs
symonds gives a lot of shit/sledge to others

being called a monkey is less offensive in my eyes than being called madarchod (motherf***er), behnchod (sisterf***er), behn ke land (you are your sisters dick or somethin like that), randi ki paidaish (son of a whore) etc etc
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It's offensive because it's traditionally been used as a term of abuse specifically for black people, claiming they have monkey-like features and are uncivilised. It's really not that hard to understand.

And we didn't evolve from monkeys...
 
I've done some reading on this now, and I think racism gets blown out of proportion. The Australian said that the incident started when the Indian bloke slapped someone on the arse, so he stepped in and made a comment and then got called a "monkey".

Basically, he called the other bloke a raging fag, and no one cares. But he got called a monkey and it's the worst thing that could possibly happen. And it's fecking rich that he complains, when apparently he's one of the most vicious sledgers out there. Whilst I think the Indians behaved badly and childishly, I do despise the Australians. You can tell that they're descended from rapists and murderers.
 
India will resume their Australian tour - but could abandon it if an appeal against Harbhajan Singh's ban fails.
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What do people actually think about stopping the tour over this issue?

They are questioning the integrity of an Indian player and if he really didn't say it he shouldn't take any punishment. However, in the interests of the sport should they just carry on and settle it another way?

The last time a similar situation like this happened a match was forfeited mid-way and the ICC charged the relevant partys, I guess that will be the same again for the Indian board.
 
mehro said:
It did hit the ground and he would have felt it surely so it wasn't right to appeal for it. Of course what he did in the first innings was the right thing but this was the tail end of the match that they were trying to win so he went for it. It was never a catch and him tying to defend it later on was quite stupid, actually make that down right retarded.

Regarding 'the stop chucking your toys of your pram bit'. The players quite clearly believe that a false charge has been made against Harbhajan, how you can expect them to let the matter be I don't know. I'm sure the Aussies themselves would have called off the tour or something if they were in this situation.
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Ponting believed he had the ball under control I'd guess, as he probably did, therefore he should appeal. If the umpire had thought the appeal wasn't in good faith he would have reported it. This is just silliness because the Indian team are upset. Again.

I don't get how he can suggest that he didn't say it. Or is he suggesting he said something similar and they misheard him? Sounds like utter bullshit to me.

In fact in all the reports I have still yet to see him claim that he didn't say it. Just that there is no evidence apart from the word of two Australian players. A big difference.

And the idea that an Aussie team would try to pack up and go home for a couple of dodgy decisions is ludicrous. Personal safety perhaps.
 
Fitzjames said:
I think sledging has got out of control.
There is a big difference for banter out in the field and downright abuse.

Example of banter
Ian Botham goes out to bat and Rod Marsh the Aussie wicketkeeper says "Hows YOUR wife and MY kids"
Botham replies "My wife is fine. Your kids are ugly bastards".
No harm done.

Example of abuse
New Zealand cricketer goes out to bat. His sister died in a train crash a few weeks previous.
The Aussie fielders make "choo choo" noises.
Not nice. Not funny. Not clever.

Football has its fair share of hard men but I cant see many of them doing that to an opponent.
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Shame that last one was an invention by an NZ journalist in the early 90's. Cairns who was the alleged victim denied that it happened and was really pissed off that some feckwit journalist would try to point score using the issue.
 
Wibble said:
Ponting believed he had the ball under control I'd guess, as he probably did, therefore he should appeal. If the umpire had thought the appeal wasn't in good faith he would have reported it. This is just silliness because the Indian team are upset. Again.

I don't get how he can suggest that he didn't say it. Or is he suggesting he said something similar and they misheard him? Sounds like utter bullshit to me.

In fact in all the reports I have still yet to see him claim that he didn't say it. Just that there is no evidence apart from the word of two Australian players. A big difference.

And the idea that an Aussie team would try to pack up and go home for a couple of dodgy decisions is ludicrous. Personal safety perhaps.
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http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=harbhajan+denies&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

Again, you say a couple of dodgy decisions when in fact it's a lot more than that. There are always bad decisions in a game, no argument about that. Umpires are humans too. A couple bad decisions in a game, here and there, is okay. But to have nearly 15-16 bad decisions in a test match is unheard of. That too when nearly 95% of those go against one team, India.

In fact the Indians hadn't even threatened to leave the tour over that issue. The issue is that they believe Harbhajan is innocent and what I wrote in my post was that if an Australian had been accused of the same had he been innocent the aussies would have done somethin similar.
 
More criticism for Ponting from fellow Aussies

'It's sport, not war'

Sporting greats upset by Australia's behaviour

Cricinfo staff

January 9, 2008



Michael Hussey says the team has never broken any rules © Getty Images




The criticism of Australia's conduct at the SCG has spread to other sports with three members of the country's Hall of Fame calling for the team's "moral compass to be returned". John Bertrand, a sailor who won the America's Cup in 1983, is the chairman of the Sport Australia Hall of Fame and he wants a meeting with Cricket Australia to let them know its sides should be showing more respect to opponents.

Australia's behaviour during the match in Sydney has been under severe scrutiny. Ricky Ponting and Michael Hussey have defended the team actions during the victory, but there have been a host of complaints in the fallout from a game that included issues over race, sportsmanship, umpiring, catching and walking.

"We have a lot of clout in the sporting community and we will be saying to Cricket Australia that people need to step back and reassess what is happening here with a cool head," Bertrand said in the Herald Sun. "The pressure to win out on the field has become too hot, and that pressure is all about winning at all costs.

"That is not what sport is about ... The fallout that we are seeing at the moment is not acceptable. It's clearly damaging international relations and clearly a lot of people are upset."

Bertrand has joined the respected athletes Herb Elliott and Robert de Castella in believing the players are too arrogant. "Sport is only sport," he said, "it's not war."

Hussey said the players had "never stepped outside the rules or the laws of the game". "We have a great pride in playing for the baggy green cap and for playing for each other," he said in the Australian. "We know how hard it is to get an opportunity to play for Australia and we want to play as hard as we possibly can."

Neil Harvey, an Invincible from 1948, disagreed with Hussey and said Ponting "needs to look at himself". "Certainly the captain needs to be stronger and keep his guys in line," Harvey said. Harvey was also concerned by the behaviour of India during the game. "I don't think they are very sporting."
 
Plechazunga said:
It's offensive because it's traditionally been used as a term of abuse specifically for black people, claiming they have monkey-like features and are uncivilised. It's really not that hard to understand.

And we didn't evolve from monkeys...
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"The closest living relatives of Homo sapiens are two distinct species of the genus Pan: the Bonobo (Pan paniscus) and the Common Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes). These species share the same common ancestor. The main difference between them is the social organization: matriarchal for the Bonobo and patriarchal for the Common Chimpanzee. Full genome sequencing resulted in the conclusion that "after 6.5 million years of separate evolution, the differences between bonobo/chimpanzee and human are just 10 times greater than those between two unrelated people and 10 times less than those between rats and mice". In fact, 95 per cent of the DNA sequence is identical between the two Pan species and human.[8][9][10][11] It has been estimated that the human lineage diverged from that of chimpanzees about five million years ago, and from gorillas about eight million years ago. However, a hominid skull discovered in Chad in 2001, classified as Sahelanthropus tchadensis, is approximately seven million years old, which may indicate an earlier divergence.[12]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

alrite so its apes, gorillas and chimpanzees not monkeys

big diff
 
He is saying that humans and monkeys had a common ancestor rather than us evolving from a modern monkey (or ape for that matter). Which is true.
 
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The Aussies will have the last laugh; check out the new replacement umpire:

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Wibble said:
From his comments after the descision it sounded like he would have loved to take an easy way out but instead did what he thought was right.
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The key word there is THOUGHT. It in no way means what he did was right..
 
Why is that a key word? It is his job to adjudicate on the matter. Short of video footage with the insult audible AND a statement from the player admitting he meant it as a racist insult, a degree of judgement is required. If you demand a higher degree of proof you might as well remove referees from football games as well.

The fact that they haven't come right out and said that he didn't say it, just that there is no proof hints that they are not actually denying the word was uttered just that it wasn't racists. Despite being aimed at the only black man on the field and despite the huge publicity that resulted from the disgraceful targeting of Symond with racist chants and signs on the last tour of India. To suggest that the offensive nature of such a comments wasn't know is ludicrous.
 
Wibble said:
Why is that a key word? It is his job to adjudicate on the matter. Short of video footage with the insult audible AND a statement from the player admitting he meant it as a racist insult, a degree of judgement is required. If you demand a higher degree of proof you might as well remove referees from football games as well.

The fact that they haven't come right out and said that he didn't say it, just that there is no proof hints that they are not actually denying the word was uttered just that it wasn't racists. Despite being aimed at the only black man on the field and despite the huge publicity that resulted from the disgraceful targeting of Symond with racist chants and signs on the last tour of India. To suggest that the offensive nature of such a comments wasn't know is ludicrous.
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They have denied it on several occasions now and I've already presented these reports in previous posts.
 
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