India v England ODI series

Forevergiggs said:
Is Anderson rested for the series? Cricinfo shows that he is part of the one day squad.
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Cricinfo have got it wrong. This is the squad from the BBC and is correct as far as I know:

England squad: Alastair Cook (capt), Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler (wk), Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter (wk), Stuart Meaker, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Kevin Pietersen, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes .
 
Forevergiggs said:
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Oh Google dude! You are my favorite.

I am sure it is not important that is why they have sent a 17 member support staff with the team. :rolleyes: Looks like the inventors of the game really want to win the WC in it's XIth edition. How many have you won so far? :p

None of your mates bothered to show up until the end of second test or the middle of the third. ODI format will become important if England have any chance of winning the series. :)
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who is google dude? :confused::confused:

Fair enough with respect to the support staff, I just think it's more a sign that the ECB take all cricket seriously now, but the fact that only half this team would be first choice for an ODI tournament suggests that the results are fairly irrelevant and that the focus will be mainly on how the fringe players perform.

And no, as I said, even if England win 5-0 in the series(which won't happen btw), most people will not be getting that excited, at least not any people that I know.
 
zing said:
What odds on England winning the next WC?

You should stick some money on it.

Cracking ODI side for fast tracks.

Bell, Cook, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Kieswetter/Buttler, Woakes, Broad, Swann, Dernbach, Finn

#4 is the missing piece, IMO. Trott is too slow and if Root can develop into the player he promised to be on his test debut, that will be a cracking side.

Otherwise play Trott at 3 and Pietersen at 4. The player at #4 needs to know how to accelerate, in modern day ODIs and Trott hasn't got any higher gears to his batting.

That is such an awesome side that I am jealous. The bowlers are tremendous... they should keep Anderson out of it as Dernbach, Broad and Finn are superior limited overs bowlers.

Woakes' bowling is good enough to be the 5th bowler, and Root can chip in with his off-spin.
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They won't win the World Cup next time. Pakistan though can, just have to find two decent batsmen to compliment Jamshed and Azhar Ali. Their bowling is excellent.
 
samabachan said:
who is google dude? :confused::confused:

Fair enough with respect to the support staff, I just think it's more a sign that the ECB take all cricket seriously now, but the fact that only half this team would be first choice for an ODI tournament suggests that the results are fairly irrelevant and that the focus will be mainly on how the fringe players perform.

And no, as I said, even if England win 5-0 in the series(which won't happen btw), most people will not be getting that excited, at least not any people that I know.
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Why are the results irrelevant? Is this a friendly, no, this is a competitive match and series. England are defending their ranking position. The resting of the players is to avoid burnout and injuries with England doing the same in NZ series. The fact England won the first game shows that they have good squad. You need a good squad for ODIs as players can lose form easily. Find it a bid odd England fans wont be excited to see their team win competitive matches and improve their poor record in India. If they win the series, I will be delighted. How do they get excited for other matches, do they just pick and choose? :confused:
 
TheGame said:
Why are the results irrelevant? Is this a friendly, no, this is a competitive match and series. England are defending their ranking position. The resting of the players is to avoid burnout and injuries with England doing the same in NZ series. The fact England won the first game shows that they have good squad. You need a good squad for ODIs as players can lose form easily. Find it a bid odd England fans wont be excited to see their team win competitive matches and improve their poor record in India. If they win the series, I will be delighted. How do they get excited for other matches, do they just pick and choose? :confused:
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Of course I will be pleased, it's not like I want England to lose the series, but it's kinda like United in the FA Cup. I want the team to win of course, but the main priority is to ensure that some younger or fringe players get an opportunity and if we lose then so be it. Nice to win, not the end of the world if you lose as long as the performances show promise and/or the players learn from it.
 
TheGame said:
Why are the results irrelevant? Is this a friendly, no, this is a competitive match and series. England are defending their ranking position. The resting of the players is to avoid burnout and injuries with England doing the same in NZ series. The fact England won the first game shows that they have good squad. You need a good squad for ODIs as players can lose form easily. Find it a bid odd England fans wont be excited to see their team win competitive matches and improve their poor record in India. If they win the series, I will be delighted. How do they get excited for other matches, do they just pick and choose? :confused:
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Of course I will be pleased, it's not like I want England to lose the series, but it's kinda like United in the FA Cup. I want the team to win of course, but the main priority is to ensure that some younger or fringe players get an opportunity and if we lose then so be it. Nice to win, not the end of the world if you lose as long as the performances show promise and/or the players learn from it.

And most of the people I know see it the same.
 
KM said:
They won't win the World Cup next time. Pakistan though can, just have to find two decent batsmen to compliment Jamshed and Azhar Ali. Their bowling is excellent.
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Pakistan regularly fold like a pack of cards on any pitch that offers something for the bowlers. Jamshed looks alright, but I've only seen him play against India.
Azhar Ali is good, yes.

England or SA for the next WC. The two teams that can grow enough in 2 years to be world champions. Our team's like a headless chicken at the moment. Just thinking about our team fecks with your mind. Who is the one doing the planning? Just awful.

What's SA's 11?

Amla, Smith, du Plessis, Kallis, AB De, Duminy, Morkel, Tahir/Peterson, Morkel, Steyn, Parnell

Something like that, I would imagine. A lot rests on Kallis' fitness.
 
Pujara will be a great addition to our team. Get Gambhir out of the team and pick him in. I would also look to find a replacement for Ashwin.

Did u saw Dhoni's tactics yesterday?
Dinda had two overs left and was bowling decently. Yet he took him out of the attack inspite of the fact he's very good in death overs and persisted with Ishant. Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
 
KM said:
Pujara will be a great addition to our team. Get Gambhir out of the team and pick him in. I would also look to find a replacement for Ashwin.

Did u saw Dhoni's tactics yesterday?
Dinda had two overs left and was bowling decently. Yet he took him out of the attack inspite of the fact he's very good in death overs and persisted with Ishant. Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
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I've never figured out how Gambhir seems to retain his place in all formats. Doesn't Dhoni not get on with him or something yet he still seems to play every game regardless of form.
 
zing said:
What's SA's 11?

Amla, Smith, du Plessis, Kallis, AB De, Duminy, Morkel, Tahir/Peterson, Morkel, Steyn, Parnell

Something like that, I would imagine. A lot rests on Kallis' fitness.
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I think they'll play one more batsman lower down for Albie Morkel as du Plessis and Duminy can bowl a few overs.
 
KM said:
Pujara will be a great addition to our team. Get Gambhir out of the team and pick him in. I would also look to find a replacement for Ashwin.

Did u saw Dhoni's tactics yesterday?
Dinda had two overs left and was bowling decently. Yet he took him out of the attack inspite of the fact he's very good in death overs and persisted with Ishant. Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
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Nope, did not watch the match yesterday.

I very strongly disagree with taking Gambhir out. I think he's a world class ODI batsman.

He had a brilliant 2012 with the bat in ODIs. In fact, if you look it up on Cricinfo, he's been consistently brilliant for 5 years in limited overs.

I think you're letting his test form cloud your judgment of his ODI form.

I would like to see us line up like this:
Gambhir, Rahane, Pujara, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Irfan, Ashwin, Harbhajan, Yadav, Dinda

I don't think Harbhajan has done anything wrong in limited overs cricket. It is his test form that has been terrible.

I think Yuvraj shouldn't be in the side if he's not bowling -- and he is not bowling at the moment -- because he doesn't offer enough as a batsman in the long run. Hell, even now, he has an innings or two there but by and large, he's not fit enough for international cricket. He's like an ordinary #4 with the fitness of Sehwag.
 
I know Dinda's not done too well, but I like his commitment. Was watching India Pakistan in Chennai and he's a proper cricketer. He gives 100% in everything he does. Really enjoyed his attitude.
 
Bangladesh pacers are at least as good as our lot.
 
Can you Indians in here start talking up your team and saying how you are going to thrash us again please?

Really boring and not as fun to win when you are all this pessimistic.
 
Losing another game to this lot would be a disgrace. Our batting should make mince meat of a mediocre English bowling consisting of a spaz (Dernbach), a bald and ugly pie-chucker (Tredwell), a dart thrower (Bresnan) and a fat gujju (Patel).

We will win 4-1.

Happy? :p

Can't get worked up over ODI's or T20's as I can for test cricket. I am old school and test cricket is still the King for me. The only format that I care about.
 
Donaldo said:
He's a mediocre, Bangladesh level pacer.
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Bangladeshi pacers will be offended. Calling him mediocre is giving him a compliment.

Can't swing and bowls half way down the pitch with his pace. He infuriates me.
 
zing said:
Nope, did not watch the match yesterday.

I very strongly disagree with taking Gambhir out. I think he's a world class ODI batsman.

He had a brilliant 2012 with the bat in ODIs. In fact, if you look it up on Cricinfo, he's been consistently brilliant for 5 years in limited overs.

I think you're letting his test form cloud your judgment of his ODI form.

I would like to see us line up like this:
Gambhir, Rahane, Pujara, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Irfan, Ashwin, Harbhajan, Yadav, Dinda

I don't think Harbhajan has done anything wrong in limited overs cricket. It is his test form that has been terrible.

I think Yuvraj shouldn't be in the side if he's not bowling -- and he is not bowling at the moment -- because he doesn't offer enough as a batsman in the long run. Hell, even now, he has an innings or two there but by and large, he's not fit enough for international cricket. He's like an ordinary #4 with the fitness of Sehwag.
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Gambhir's attitude is appalling. Wasn't it in the recent England test that he was playing with a tailender and kept on giving him the strike on the first ball just to make sure he doesn't get out.

Dinda is decent and is a highly committed bowler. Bowls well in Death overs too. I'd keep him there until we get a better option. I also like Jadeja's role in the team but he should try to improve his batting.
 
Dinda almost always has a look ranging from mild worry to sheer terror on his face. He's pretty decent at that.

He's a fecking mule. It shows where the game's level has gone when people like him are kept in the team for this long.
 
Dinda is brainless.

I think the rest of the team has talent but lacks focus, hardwork and dedication. They won the T-20 WC, were no.1 in test and then won the ODI WC in a period of 5 years and thought life is easy. In sports ,or in any walk of life, to remain at the top you have to remain dedicated and keep reinventing yourself. Kirsten's end of contract was a huge loss as he kept them focused and got the best out of them.
 
Does bring back some memories of the 'Tu chal mein aaya' times. :lol:

What in the feck happened to Gambhir? Has he forgotten how to play cricket?
 
Donaldo said:
:lol: This is worse than us in the 90s
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It's just poor planning. We're still a good ODI side, if the right players are fit and picked.

This team isn't much different from the won that won the WC 2 years ago. And the players' games haven't changed much in that time.
 
MS Dhoni (C)
Sachin Tendulkar
Virender Sehwag
Gautam Gambhir
Yuvraj Singh
Suresh Raina
Virat Kohli
R. Ashwin
Yusuf Pathan (all-rounder)
Zaheer Khan
Ashish Nehra
Munaf Patel
Praveen Kumar
Harbhajan Singh
Piyush Chawla

6 of the 15 are present in this squad. And one is returning from a sweet little battle with cancer.
 
Donaldo said:
MS Dhoni (C)
Sachin Tendulkar
Virender Sehwag
Gautam Gambhir
Yuvraj Singh
Suresh Raina
Virat Kohli
R. Ashwin
Yusuf Pathan (all-rounder)
Zaheer Khan
Ashish Nehra
Munaf Patel
Praveen Kumar
Harbhajan Singh
Piyush Chawla

6 of the 15 are present in this squad. And one is returning from a sweet little battle with cancer.
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And 5 of those started in the final and are in today's line-up. What do the subs have to do with anything?

and more importantly, all 5 are batsmen in our top 7. Our batting remains intact, yet it continues to fail.

The problem is that the team performed brilliantly with Gambhir at 3 and Kohli at 4. We need stable players at 3 and 4.

They've disturbed a winning combination by putting Gambhir at the top, even though he is capable of opening and doing well, he is at his best if the ball is slightly old.

If you want to do that, you need a proper #4 -- Pujara fits the bill. Yuvraj is a past-it player -- his batting was pretty much past it even in the WC even though he made 300+ runs. A lot of those runs came in low 50s. You can't rely on Yuvraj to deliver hundreds and you can't put a player who can't deliver hundreds at #4.

Yuvraj is at best a #5. Long term, he's not good enough to be a good #5 when we go to the next WC in Australia. He lacks fitness and won't last 2 years. I'd take him out of the team.

The players are there. It's just we've planned things very poorly.
 
Yuvraj has become a T20 specialist. Will be down to Dhoni to rescue us again.
 
zing said:
And 5 of those started in the final and are in today's line-up. What do the subs have to do with anything?

and more importantly, all 5 are batsmen in our top 7. Our batting remains intact, yet it continues to fail.
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Sachin and Yuvraj were very important to us during the WC. Now one has retired and the other isn't fit enough. Two huge holes to try and plug.
 
kps88 said:
Sachin and Yuvraj were very important to us during the WC. Now one has retired and the other isn't fit enough. Two huge holes to try and plug.
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I would argue that Yuvraj is the same player he was 2 years ago.

He gets some 50s. He can bowl. Except what has happened is, he gets those 50s at #4 and that's not good enough. And his bowling has become useless because the new ODI rules makes you have more players in the ring and the part-time bowler can no longer be used as a defensive option.
 
The new one-day rules are the worst thing for India. We don't have a genuine all-rounder and are forced to play with 5 bowlers. Which leaves the batting short. The bowlers were not good enough with 5 outside the circle and would be worse with only 5 allowed outside.

Jadeja/Ashwin have to start performing with the bat soon or we need to find a genuine all-rounder.
 
Dhoni the best ODI batsmen of this generation?

Consistent in all situations, near impossible to bowl too.
 
As talented probably - but Dhoni has won his side a world cup, and carried a team out of form...AB hasn't - yet.
 
Haha - what a last ten overs that was.

Needs a KP special for England to win this now i reckon.
 
Dhoni is the best one-day batsmen. He must be averaging close to a 100 in the last one-year.

Happy that Jadeja performed. We would need Jadeja and Ashwin to get runs under these new rules. We can no longer afford to go with four bowlers and part-timers.

I was under the impression that B.Kumar was an all-rounder but from the highlights I saw he looks a tail-ender.
 
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