India v England ODI series

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Englanf pretty comfortable at 112/0 after 20 overs.

England's ODI record against India in India for the past decade is 1-1-15 if I'm not mistaken...
 
Why is Dinda playing this game? Is Ganguly the coach already? I heard the new guy who played in the Delhi game bowled very well.

Rajkot - flat deck, small boundaries? It shouldn't be too tough to chase 320-330 here, right?
 
I question his selection and the he starts picking wickets. :wenger:

300 looks on the cards. It's Indian bowling and there are some new rules with 5 inside the circle, If I am correct.
 
I couldn't find a comprehensive guideline but from what I could gather:

(1) New balls from each end at the start of the innings
(2) Two bouncers allowed each over.
(3) Batting power play fixed from 35-40 overs?
(4) No Bowling power play?

How long before one day cricket is dead? I give it another 3 years at the maximum.
 
First two rules are mint. Makes the contest even between bat and ball. The third rule removes unnecessary confusion as no team was taking advantage of the rolling batting power play.

I don't know about the 4th, but I think these are cracking rules.
 
10-2-86-0

The decline of Ishant Sharma is staggering. He looked like a real world beater at the start of his career against Australia in 2008. It's shameful that we have allowed a bowler of his quality decline so rapidly.

England: 325-4
 
fishfingers15 said:
First two rules are mint. Makes the contest even between bat and ball. The third rule removes unnecessary confusion as no team was taking advantage of the rolling batting power play.

I don't know about the 4th, but I think these are cracking rules.
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The rules are counter productive,imo. On one hand you are helping the bowlers but at the same time you are tying their hands with only four outside the circle.
 
fishfingers15 said:
If Jimmy Anderson goes for 70, then it's reasonable I suppose? His last two overs were bad, but he was very good I'm led to believe.
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He is not playing.

Ishant has been performing like this for a while. I am not watching this game but in the past his length has been a real problem. Tends to bowl short and at 135Kmph you are asking to be hit on our wickets.

He was pure class in that Australian series. At that time it looked like our wait for a genuine fast bowler was over. He was sensational. Had Ponting in his pocket. Unfortunately, his career hasn't panned out that way.
 
Forevergiggs said:
He is not playing.

Ishant has been performing like this for a while. I am not watching this game but in the past his length has been a real problem. Tends to bowl short and at 135Kmph you are asking to be hit on our wickets.

He was pure class in that Australian series. At that time it looked like our wait for a genuine fast bowler was over. He was sensational. Had Ponting in his pocket. Unfortunately, his career hasn't panned out that way.
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In Australia, pitches helped him. If he goes to Australia, he'll still continue to be effective. Bowlers can have off days and today he bowled well at the start, but the pitch offered almost nothing and when batsmen for going for it, he went for some runs. Like I said, if India chase this successfully, then it won't be a bad performance.

About the rules, it evens up things a bit. It was entirely batsmen's game in ODI before this. Now they get some more help in terms of allowable bouncers and two new balls. I can't fault with it really.
 
fishfingers15 said:
In Australia, pitches helped him. If he goes to Australia, he'll still continue to be effective. Bowlers can have off days and today he bowled well at the start, but the pitch offered almost nothing and when batsmen for going for it, he went for some runs. Like I said, if India chase this successfully, then it won't be a bad performance.

About the rules, it evens up things a bit. It was entirely batsmen's game in ODI before this. Now they get some more help in terms of allowable bouncers and two new balls. I can't fault with it really.
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The subsequent series in New Zealand, South Africa and England have proven otherwise. He doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes and has lost pace. His development has completely halted since that original series. You can have a bad day as a bowler and give away too many runs but it happens with alarming consistency with Ishant these days. The pitch cannot be an excuse every time. Anytime you give away 86 runs in 10 overs it is a bad performance, inspite of the pitch conditions.

We'll see about the rules. I think going forward ODI's will be sacrificed to keep Test cricket alive. It'll will be Tests and T20's plus an ODI WC every 4 years.
 
Forevergiggs said:
The subsequent series in New Zealand, South Africa and England have proven otherwise. He doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes and has lost pace. His development has completely halted since that original series. You can have a bad day as a bowler and give away too many runs but it happens with alarming consistency with Ishant these days. The pitch cannot be an excuse every time. Anytime you give away 86 runs in 10 overs it is a bad performance, inspite of the pitch conditions.

We'll see about the rules. I think going forward ODI's will be sacrificed to keep Test cricket alive. It'll will be Tests and T20's plus an ODI WC every 4 years.
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Fair comments regarding Ishant. I don't watch cricket regularly, so your concerns are valid. I hope he pulls through, if not for anything, at least for his mane. We'll have to wait and see about the rules.
 
Forevergiggs said:
10-2-86-0

The decline of Ishant Sharma is staggering. He looked like a real world beater at the start of his career against Australia in 2008. It's shameful that we have allowed a bowler of his quality decline so rapidly.

England: 325-4
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It's all relative. one good spell against Ponting and suddenly he was heralded as the new star.

Balaji and Pathan getting hyped after Australia 03-04 was quite similar, although with Pathan there was some serious talent involved for a change. What a waste..
 
Donaldo said:
It's all relative. one good spell against Ponting and suddenly he was heralded as the new star.

Balaji and Pathan getting hyped after Australia 03-04 was quite similar, although with Pathan there was some serious talent involved for a change. What a waste..
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It wasn't just one good spell, he was actually good in the entire series and for a period after that. I believe we lost him to the IPL.

Pathan is a shame but he is only 28 and can still play a part.
 
Am interested in seeing how Dhoni goes here. How often does he win us matches when we're behind the rate?
 
Forevergiggs said:
It wasn't just one good spell, he was actually good in the entire series and for a period after that. I believe we lost him to the IPL.

Pathan is a shame but he is only 28 and can still play a part.
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He wasn't exceptional by any stretch. Classic case of hype without much substance. You thought that way largely due to the utter paucity of quality pacemen we've seen over the years.

He finished the tour of Australia with figures of 6/358, an average of 59.66 and a strike rate of 101.0. Contrast that with any quality pacer from any other country. We have a habit of going gaga if anyone so much as bowls a good bouncer.
 
Donaldo said:
He wasn't exceptional by any stretch. Classic case of hype without much substance. You thought that way largely due to the utter paucity of quality pacemen we've seen over the years.

He finished the tour of Australia with figures of 6/358, an average of 59.66 and a strike rate of 101.0. Contrast that with any quality pacer from any other country. We have a habit of going gaga if anyone so much as bowls a good bouncer.
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To be fair though, against Aus in India, he looked pretty good.
 
Donaldo said:
He wasn't exceptional by any stretch. Classic case of hype without much substance. You thought that way largely due to the utter paucity of quality pacemen we've seen over the years.

He finished the tour of Australia with figures of 6/358, an average of 59.66 and a strike rate of 101.0. Contrast that with any quality pacer from any other country. We have a habit of going gaga if anyone so much as bowls a good bouncer.
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May be but I remember him bowling exceptionally well in that series. He looked like a real prospect. He had height, pace, the extra bounce and his length was very good. He was our hope.

It is a shame that he hasn't developed further.

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On another note, where are the English "fans"? Do they only show up when they are ahead in the series?

Edit: Raina gone. Shouldn't be long now.

Edit(a): Catch ruled out. We'll have to wait longer.
 
I have just been told that the English have brought a support staff of 17 along with 16 players. :eek:

They are fecking serious.
 
Confidence boosting win for England that.

Sets up the series well.
 
Forevergiggs said:
On another note, where are the English "fans"? Do they only show up when they are ahead in the series?

Edit: Raina gone. Shouldn't be long now.

Edit(a): Catch ruled out. We'll have to wait longer.
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I'm not sure there are many England fans that even care about these games.

Half a B team playing some pointless ODIs against a team that the Test side has been playing for over a month already.

I'm struggling to get worked up about a win here, would feel underwhelmed even if we won the series 5-0.

ODI is just not an important format to England any more, or at least I get that feeling. I'd much rather watch some Tests for PROPPER CRICKIT or some T20s for a bit of hit and giggle.
 
samabachan said:
I'm not sure there are many England fans that even care about these games.

Half a B team playing some pointless ODIs against a team that the Test side has been playing for over a month already.

I'm struggling to get worked up about a win here, would feel underwhelmed even if we won the series 5-0.

ODI is just not an important format to England any more, or at least I get that feeling. I'd much rather watch some Tests for PROPPER CRICKIT or some T20s for a bit of hit and giggle.
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:lol:

Oh Google dude! You are my favorite.

I am sure it is not important that is why they have sent a 17 member support staff with the team. :rolleyes: Looks like the inventors of the game really want to win the WC in it's XIth edition. How many have you won so far? :p

None of your mates bothered to show up until the end of second test or the middle of the third. ODI format will become important if England have any chance of winning the series. :)
 
On more important note - does anyone know of this recent ineptness of Indian batsmen against spin bowling. There was a time when the likes of Sidhu, Azhar, Sachin, Jadeja, Sehwag and others will hit the best of spinners out of the attack. Now a days we are dominated by the Monty's and the Tredwell's of this world on flat pitches. It annoys me far more than our perennial ineptitude against quality fast bowling.

Can any of you batting experts shed some light?
 
samabachan said:
I'm not sure there are many England fans that even care about these games.

Half a B team playing some pointless ODIs against a team that the Test side has been playing for over a month already.

I'm struggling to get worked up about a win here, would feel underwhelmed even if we won the series 5-0.

ODI is just not an important format to England any more, or at least I get that feeling. I'd much rather watch some Tests for PROPPER CRICKIT or some T20s for a bit of hit and giggle.
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This is incorrect. There are many England fans who care about these games including me. I followed it as much as I could and really want them to win. This is not a half a B team. England have a squad and these players are playing for their positions in the World Cup squad and know they have to perform. I think the series will be close and that has been demonstrated by the first game. England need to demonstrate they can perform in this format away from home.

ODI is very important to England, probably the reason why they now have a limited overs coach only and allowing Flower to concentrate on the test team. If you don't think its important, just look at their reaction at winning the second T20 over India and tell me its not important.

In response to Forevergiggs, sometimes people find it difficult to post here when at work and strange as it may sound, it doesn't mean there aren't any England fans around or not interested. :wenger:
 
Utd heap said:
Confidence boosting win for England that.

Sets up the series well.
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What odds on England winning the next WC?

You should stick some money on it.

Cracking ODI side for fast tracks.

Bell, Cook, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Kieswetter/Buttler, Woakes, Broad, Swann, Dernbach, Finn

#4 is the missing piece, IMO. Trott is too slow and if Root can develop into the player he promised to be on his test debut, that will be a cracking side.

Otherwise play Trott at 3 and Pietersen at 4. The player at #4 needs to know how to accelerate, in modern day ODIs and Trott hasn't got any higher gears to his batting.

That is such an awesome side that I am jealous. The bowlers are tremendous... they should keep Anderson out of it as Dernbach, Broad and Finn are superior limited overs bowlers.

Woakes' bowling is good enough to be the 5th bowler, and Root can chip in with his off-spin.
 
zing said:
What odds on England winning the next WC?

You should stick some money on it.

Cracking ODI side for fast tracks.

Bell, Cook, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Kieswetter/Buttler, Woakes, Broad, Swann, Dernbach, Finn

#4 is the missing piece, IMO. Trott is too slow and if Root can develop into the player he promised to be on his test debut, that will be a cracking side.

Otherwise play Trott at 3 and Pietersen at 4. The player at #4 needs to know how to accelerate, in modern day ODIs and Trott hasn't got any higher gears to his batting.

That is such an awesome side that I am jealous. The bowlers are tremendous... they should keep Anderson out of it as Dernbach, Broad and Finn are superior limited overs bowlers.

Woakes' bowling is good enough to be the 5th bowler, and Root can chip in with his off-spin.
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Dernbach needs to be more consistent. There's this 'he's a great death bowler' but the majority of the time, it is wayward and he needs to get it right more as he can be very expensive. Anderson is better than him. Root is great as he offers another bowling option and England have lacked that extra option for a while and had to rely on the 5 they picked which has let them down if they are expensive. Tredwell has done better than expected as has Patel.
 
TheGame said:
In response to Forevergiggs, sometimes people find it difficult to post here when at work and strange as it may sound, it doesn't mean there aren't any England fans around or not interested. :wenger:
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:lol: Sambachan plus some of the others and me go a long way, buddy. At least for me it's just a bit of a banter till the point people are ready to talk like human beings. Which most do anyways.

I think England are giving it a serious go with the next World cup in my mind. I don't think that any team should have such a big support staff but it clearly shows their intent and desperation (not a negative) to get one home from Australia/NZ.

I have never been overly impressed with Dernbach. He has his variations but to me he tries to do much. He also gets too worked up for me to trust him in pressure situations. Anderson would be a good choice in Australia/NZ.

The batting still revolves around Cook and KP. Bell does well but misses some vital part of his brain structure for me. The all rounders aren't overly impressive either. Finn has his injury issues. In Swann they have an excellent bowler but he is not part of this squad. Is he a regular for the one day side?

I think they have a long to way but the good part is that they have an objective and are trying. Which unfortunately cannot be said about Indian cricket at this moment.
 
Forevergiggs said:
The batting still revolves around Cook and KP. Bell does well but misses some vital part of his brain structure for me. The all rounders aren't overly impressive either. Finn has his injury issues. In Swann they have an excellent bowler but he is not part of this squad. Is he a regular for the one day side?
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Swann is a regular however has been rested for this along with Anderson. Broad is injured and if I'm not mistaken, KP is being rested for the NZ series. Hence why the players coming in need to take their chances.
 
TheGame said:
Swann is a regular however has been rested for this along with Anderson. Broad is injured and if I'm not mistaken, KP is being rested for the NZ series. Hence why the players coming in need to take their chances.
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Is Anderson rested for the series? Cricinfo shows that he is part of the one day squad.
 
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