What an end to that innings
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Kohli is an actual joke at this point. Ridiculous consistency.
Kohli is far superior to anyone at the moment in ODIs. In tests though, he hasn't matched the same output as Steven Smith. That dude is on another level in tests. But wow, what an innings by VK.
Don't know what's going on with MSD. Love the guy, but I feel age might be catching up to him finally. He's still better than the WKs we have, but I think what India should have done is selected the next Heir Apparent to MSD, get him to tour with MSD and let MSD groom him. I'm talking players like Rishab Pant, Sanju Samson.
Either way, seems like we will have MSD at the WC next year, which hopefully would be his last.
Don't know what's going on with MSD. Love the guy, but I feel age might be catching up to him finally. He's still better than the WKs we have, but I think what India should have done is selected the next Heir Apparent to MSD, get him to tour with MSD and let MSD groom him. I'm talking players like Rishab Pant, Sanju Samson.
Either way, seems like we will have MSD at the WC next year, which hopefully would be his last.
Smith is a better test batsman. Across all 3 formats Kohlis the best in the world though, the gap between him and anyone in LO cricket is bigger than Smith and the next best Test batsman.
Smith is the better test batsman. There's quite a few good batsman in today's generation of players.
Kohli, Smith, Root (although having a subpar season since captaincy), Williamson, Faf (really like how he grinds it out when situation gets tough).
On the other hand, I think Pandya has become far too overrated already.
Always overrated to begin with.
True. I always saw him as having potential. But now he acts like he's the second coming of Kapil, Flintoff, Bevan, Kallis all in one. Sad thing is, India doesn't have another person to challenge / displace him at the moment.
There is plenty of talent to look at but as usual too much politics is involved. He is well connected.
That's just too good
Spinning that web again 
Kohli is the gun to surpass all other gun batsmen
Rare that a played touted as the next *insert icon* actually lives up to the billing.
Rare that a played touted as the next *insert icon* actually lives up to the billing.
Right now Id say Smith is in a league of his own. Kohli is the closest and could join Smith by the end of the year. The rest have actually fallen away, in my opinion.
As for Pandya, hes far from over rated.
Smith is dead to watch man, can’t care about him
Kohli averages 90 in ODI since 2016. S/R of 99.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
fecking mental
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
fecking mental
That Kohli six at the end against Rabada reminded me of this
Hopefully no one said he's the next 'Tendulkar'. But just as a comparison for kicks:
Sachin
49 Centuries; 33 Won; 1 Tied; 1 Draw; 14 Losses
Of those 49 centuries, 16 came when India was chasing, with an average of: 249.25 and an average strike rate of 102.
Virat
34 Centuries; 5 losses
Of those 34 centuries, 20 came when India was chasing, with an average of: 244.3 and an average strike rate of 117.
Data taken from espncricinfo statsguru
Not even surprised by the fact that India lost 14 times even when Sachin scored a century. He was surrounded by turds from time to time.
This is why I hate when people talk about how Tendulkar played for personnel records and didnt perform under pressure. The kind of pressure Tendulkar has had to play under for most of his career, no one in sports has done or will ever do I think. That is besides the fact that he had to play with some really mediocre teamates quote often too.
Its not surprise his batting has degraded. His technique was very poor and he made up for it with intelligence, power and amazing hand-eye coordination. With age, he has lost the hand-eye coordination and now the poor technique is coming to the fore.
As far as his keeping goes, I think he is one of the best ever in the world. because of his batting and captaincy, his wicket-keeping has gone under the radar.
Bollocks. Maybe pre-2000s. I started watching India around 01/02 and their ODI team was always good. I grew up hearing this a lot but Tendulkar always had atleast one or two very good players and then by the late 90s, the legends were born.
We went into a world cup with Debashish Mohanty spearheading our bowling attack.
I had removed that from my memory.
Damn you Moby.
Only thing that guy reminds me of is Sahara cup which was played in Toronto. Mohanty, Harvinder Singh attack
I think that's the time Kuruvilla also played for us.
What about Srinath, Kumble, Bhajji, Khan, Nehra? Like I said, maybe in the 90s but looking back at our history, I feel like that the phrase "Tendulkar carried a shit team" is just overstated. Batting wise, we'll never see a greater era. Bowling wise, yeah.
@Di Maria's angel Man I sure hope you're ready for what's coming!
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ng_by_team.html?id=722;team=6;type=tournament
Our record in WC 1996. Sachin had 530 odd runs. Next highest? Jadeja on 187 runs. That was the extent of our one man team.
Our record in WC 1996. Sachin had 530 odd runs. Next highest? Jadeja on 187 runs. That was the extent of our one man team.
WC 1999 most runs for India:
Dravid 461 @ 65
Ganguly 380 @ 54
Jadeja 285 @ 48
Tendulkar 253 @ 42
WC 2003
Tendulkar 673 @ 61
Ganguly 465 @ 58
Dravid 318 @ 63
WC 2007
Sehwag 164 @ 55
Ganguly 162 @ 54
Yuvraj 136 @ 45
Tendulkar 64 @ 32
WC 2011
Yuvraj 362 @ 91
Tendulkar 482 54
Dhoni 241 @ 48
Sehwag 380 @ 47
Gambhir 393 @ 43
Like I said, by the late 90's, he wasn't surrounded by shit. An absolutely brilliant batsmen but was fortunate enough to play in a team surrounded by more brilliant batsmen. Sehwag as an opener, Gambhir, Ganguly, Yuvraj, Dravid, Laxman and Dhoni - he was surrounded by greats.
Laxman and Dravid were never ODI greats. What are you even smoking? Laxman was actually quite mediocre in ODIs. Gambhir had a decent two three years in ODI but was never a mainstay.
Even with 'more brilliant' batsman, he was India's top WC scorer in 2003 and 2011. Fancy that.
Our current batting lineup is better than whatever you've mentioned. Also Dhoni and Yuvraj in their prime never played with Ganguly and Dravid in thsie prime.
Even with 'more brilliant' batsman, he was India's top WC scorer in 2003 and 2011. Fancy that.
Our current batting lineup is better than whatever you've mentioned. Also Dhoni and Yuvraj in their prime never played with Ganguly and Dravid in thsie prime.
I'm referring to carrying the team which I don't think he did after 2000. Yeah, he was an incredible and the best of the lot but, as shown by the stats above, he was backed up well in 2003 and 2011.
Also, Dravid was an ODI great. The man scored 10,000+ at an average of 40.
What was Dravid's strike rate?
Under 75.
That's the problem with looking at stats only.
Dilshan also scored 10k runs, is he also an odi great?
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When people mention carrying a team in reference to Sachin, it means the 90s. Our team improved a lot in the early 2000s.
Then we can agree.
Wait. Is the fact that India had better players in 2000s than in this 90s being a stick to beat Sachin with?
Yeah, he didn't have to single handedly carry the team in the 2000s but jesus, he was by far the best of the lot and did win us a lot of matches. We just started winning a few things because some more decent players joined him.
No one can come close to those innings in Sharjah vs Australia. Or vs Pakistan in the test match in Chennai that we eventually lost. THAT is the definition of one-man show
Yeah, he didn't have to single handedly carry the team in the 2000s but jesus, he was by far the best of the lot and did win us a lot of matches. We just started winning a few things because some more decent players joined him.
No one can come close to those innings in Sharjah vs Australia. Or vs Pakistan in the test match in Chennai that we eventually lost. THAT is the definition of one-man show
That's a little low for my liking even if we're talking about a player who last played ODI close to a decade ago.
Sachin lost his father during 99 WC and returned to India while the cricket team lost to Zimbabwe in his absence (conceded 50+ extras). He returned to England for the next match and scored a century. But that WC was mostly about Dravid pleasantly surprising everyone and Ganguly scoring 183 vs SL in a must win match.
He was by far the best batsmen of 2003 WC, his batting consistency throughout matched only by Hayden in 2007. Out of 11 matches, he scored 7 50+ scores with 90s against Pak (who had Waqar, Wasim, Shoaib) and SL. Ganguly's runs included 3 centuries which came against Kenya (twice) and Namibia; he didn't cross 50 in any other match iirc.
By the time of 2007 WC, Ganguly and Dravid were fading while Laxman never really had a consistent run in the side - India even left him out for Dinesh Mongia for 2003 WC. Sachin came back after tennis elbow injury in mid 2000s and was in poor form while newspapers regularly printed "End-ulkar". 2007 WC was a disaster for everyone vs B'desh and SL. Ganguly scored a 90 and Sehwag scored a century vs Bermuda while Sachin came 4 down in that match so he couldn't pad his stats. He was also 34 at that time. 2011 was a swansong with him scoring centuries vs SA and Eng at the age of 38 while Yuvraj had a monster WC. Dhoni had a poor WC but people may remember otherwise due to his heroics in final.
You're slightly unlucky you missed the first half of Sachin's career
Ya remember him going to his dad's funeral and coming back to score a century against Kenya..
Wasn't 2007 the dreadful world cup with Greg Chappell.. I didn't understand why Sachin was demoted to number 4 during his reign.. Sachin was always at his best opening the batting..
Does anyone remember the 1996 World Cup.. He was amazing.. We were the definition of an one man team back then..
Think it was Sehwag who said that during our match against pak in the 2003 world cup,Sachin told him he would be taking strike as it was going to Wasim Akram steaming in and he wanted to take the pressure on himself so that Sehwag could play his natural game..
And on of his losses includes the 175 he made against Australia here in hyd.. I was there in that match and it was down right criminal what Jadeja did and the way we lost that match.. It would have been one his most iconic chases for India..
We are truly blessed to have a player like Kohli immediately after Sachin retired,but that shouldn't mean we underestimate how long he carried us through the 90's..
Wasn't 2007 the dreadful world cup with Greg Chappell.. I didn't understand why Sachin was demoted to number 4 during his reign.. Sachin was always at his best opening the batting..
Does anyone remember the 1996 World Cup.. He was amazing.. We were the definition of an one man team back then..
Think it was Sehwag who said that during our match against pak in the 2003 world cup,Sachin told him he would be taking strike as it was going to Wasim Akram steaming in and he wanted to take the pressure on himself so that Sehwag could play his natural game..
And on of his losses includes the 175 he made against Australia here in hyd.. I was there in that match and it was down right criminal what Jadeja did and the way we lost that match.. It would have been one his most iconic chases for India..
We are truly blessed to have a player like Kohli immediately after Sachin retired,but that shouldn't mean we underestimate how long he carried us through the 90's..
Ya remember him going to his dad's funeral and coming back to score a century against Kenya..
Wasn't 2007 the dreadful world cup with Greg Chappell.. I didn't understand why Sachin was demoted to number 4 during his reign.. Sachin was always at his best opening the batting..
Does anyone remember the 1996 World Cup.. He was amazing.. We were the definition of an one man team back then..
Think it was Sehwag who said that during our match against pak in the 2003 world cup,Sachin told him he would be taking strike as it was going to Wasim Akram steaming in and he wanted to take the pressure on himself so that Sehwag could play his natural game..
And on of his losses includes the 175 he made against Australia here in hyd.. I was there in that match and it was down right criminal what Jadeja did and the way we lost that match.. It would have been one his most iconic chases for India..
We are truly blessed to have a player like Kohli immediately after Sachin retired,but that shouldn't mean we underestimate how long he carried us through the 90's..
That was in 2009, hard to believe Jadejas been around for that long now?
Jadeja and Kohli graduated from the 2008 U19 WC winning team and were almost instantly given their debuts.