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My state Tamil Nadu faces a lot of problems politically and economically, but thank god, the populace has not voted for the BJP in the Lok Sabha elections. I blame the lack of a viable alternative for these religious extremists remaining in power. If the prominent state parties of the country do not form a coalition and project a united front( easier said than done), I can see Modi's reign extending for another term as well.
 
VJ1762 said:
My state Tamil Nadu faces a lot of problems politically and economically, but thank god, the populace has not voted for the BJP in the Lok Sabha elections. I blame the lack of a viable alternative for these religious extremists remaining in power. If the prominent state parties of the country do not form a coalition and project a united front( easier said than done), I can see Modi's reign extending for another term as well.
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Hitler is dead
 
crappycraperson said:
Hitler is dead
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Well, I can't see an alternative. congress is dead and buried six feet under. State parties are fragmented. All signs point to 'NaMo' coming to power again after 5 years. I still can't fathom why people in UP thought it was a good idea to vote the BJP into power. in the Lok sabha Their state contributes the largest number of seats to the parliament and it is not like the BJP is doing stellar work there either.
 
VJ1762 said:
Well, I can't see an alternative. congress is dead and buried six feet under. State parties are fragmented. All signs point to 'NaMo' coming to power again after 5 years. I still can't fathom why people in UP thought it was a good idea to vote the BJP into power. in the Lok sabha Their state contributes the largest number of seats to the parliament and it is not like the BJP is doing stellar work there either.
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He is just agreeing with you but saying you are stating the obvious
 
VJ1762 said:
My state Tamil Nadu faces a lot of problems politically and economically, but thank god, the populace has not voted for the BJP in the Lok Sabha elections. I blame the lack of a viable alternative for these religious extremists remaining in power. If the prominent state parties of the country do not form a coalition and project a united front( easier said than done), I can see Modi's reign extending for another term as well.
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I'd take BJP over both DMK and AIADMK.
 
VJ1762 said:
Let's agree to disagree.
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The last good thing that ever happened in TN politics was probably under MGR rule. Post that both these parties have been looting alternatively that even water and power are about to become scarce resources. BJP plays religion, whilst these two play caste politics. One is as bad as other.

I was hoping Rajini would come out with this party as a viable alternative to all 3, but let's see.
 
Patrick08 said:
This is what I was talking about. You think the left and local southern parties are the sole flag bearers of secularism when this civilization as a whole has always been secular in their roots? Your and left's Hindu bashing and painting them as communal is totally separate from reality and out of whims of your imagination.

This is all a politically motivated biased agenda left and regional parties harp on to keep the majority hindi belt out of Power.

The elections were always used to be won by first past the post system. The left for decades painted as they are the sole flag bearers of secularism in the society appeasing all the minority and Muslim votes to themselves, then they divided the Hindi belt into different categories so they can never unite and their votes can be distributed ( divide and rule ) handing the majority in an election to the left with all the minority and Muslims votes to themselves plus their own vote banks.( first past the post system)

Southern parties want to keep hindi belt out of power so they always paint the other opposition as communal and local parties dominate the seats in election other than 2 national parties ( fedralism).

Now the left and southern parties can have an alliance and rule while keeping hindi speaking belt out of power. This had been done for decades

But since the right have found a way to not let their votes split ( people saw through corrupt dividing and appeasement politics ) coupled with Alliances, they are first past the post and tide has been turned while the left still keeps pandering to minority appeasement who see through and their corruptness as well.

Off topic post, but please bear this one, that was the last.
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@Sanche7 let's not derail the Kashmir thread on this.

Patrick, there is nothing politically motivated here, at least from TN perspective.

Firstly, if there is one thing that unites everyone in TN is their lack of respect for anything North/Hindi. There was big ruckus on anti-Hindi agitations even back in 1960s leading to retention for English as language for official use in India. So most North Indian politicians by default get little to no traction in South.

Secondly, BJP has the impression of being a Brahmin organization...and most Chief Ministers from EV Periyar and subsequent DMK have had staunch advocates of anti-Brahminism. At that point TN politics was dominated by Brahmins who were upper castes and anti-Brahminism was seen as empowering lower caste people. So BJP/RSS especially would find it twice as difficult to get any support in South.

Currently the urban/educated populace is usually pro-Modi, but then their numbers are not even significantly close to even getting a single seat.

To summarize, the issues is more fundamental than a political problem. It's ingrained into the way of life and beliefs of people in TN.
 
https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/inhumane-and-utterly-undemocratic/article27705953.ece

On June 8, upon the orders of the Gauhati High Court, Mohammad Sanaullah was released on bail from a detention camp in Assam. He had been detained on May 29, after a Foreigners Tribunal had declared him an illegal immigrant. The Gauhati High Court’s bail order came after a week of sustained public pressure, occasioned by the revelation that Mr. Sanaullah had served for three decades in the Indian Army.

In the intervening period, a shocking number of irregularities surfaced. In its inquiry report, the Assam border police had written that Mr. Sanaullah was a ‘labourer’. The three men who signed the case report claimed that the investigating officer had fabricated their signatures. The investigating officer himself admitted that it might have been an “administrative mix-up”. Yet, it was on the basis of such shoddy material that the Foreigners Tribunal — a quasi-judicial body expected to follow the rule of law — came to the conclusion that Mr. Sanaullah was a “foreigner”, and packed him off to a detention camp — until the High Court stepped in to set him at liberty.

But Mr. Sanaullah is among the luckier ones. Investigative journalists have revealed over the last few years that ‘administrative errors’ of this kind are the rule rather than the exception. As Mr. Sanaullah acknowledged in an interview after being released, there were people in the detention camps with similar stories, who had been there for 10 years or more. For these individuals, without the benefit of media scrutiny, there may be no bail — only an endless detention. But by forcing the conversation onto the national stage, Mr. Sanuallah’s case has provided hope that we may yet recognise the unfolding citizenship tragedy in Assam for what it is, and step back from the brink while there is still time.

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The reality, however, is the exact opposite. In a vast number of cases, the legally mandated initial inquiry before an individual is dragged before a tribunal as a suspected “foreigner” simply does not happen — indeed, it did not happen for Mr. Sanaullah. The Tribunals themselves are only constrained by a very limited number of procedural safeguards. This has led to situations where Tribunals have issued notices to entire families, instead of just the suspected “foreigner”. Additionally, reports show that Foreigners Tribunals habitually declare individuals to be “foreigners” on the basis of clerical errors in documents, such as a spelling mistake, an inconsistency in age, and so on. Needless to say, the hardest hit by this form of “justice” are the vulnerable and the marginalised, who have limited documentation at the best of time, and who are rarely in a position to correct errors across documents. On occasion, orders determining citizenship have been passed by tribunals without even assigning reasons, a basic sine qua non of the rule of law. In addition, a substantial number of individuals are sent to detention camps without being heard — on the basis of ex parte orders — and the detention centres themselves are little better than concentration camps, where families are separated, and people not allowed to move beyond narrow confined spaces for years on end.

The process under the NRC is little better. Driven by the Supreme Court, it has been defined by sealed covers and opaque proceedings. For example, in a behind-closed-doors consultation with the NRC Coordinator, the Supreme Court developed a new method of ascertaining citizenship known as the “family tree method”. This method was not debated or scrutinised publicly, and ground reports found that people from the hinterland were not only unaware of the method, but those who were aware had particular difficulties in putting together “family trees” of the kind that were required (the burden fell disproportionately upon women). And recently, it was found that a process by which individuals could file “objections” against people whose names had appeared in the draft NRC — and on the basis of which these people would be forced to once again prove their citizenship — had resulted in thousands of indiscriminate objections being filed, on a seemingly random basis, causing significant hardship and trauma to countless individuals. However, when the people coordinating these “objections” were contacted, they brushed it off by saying that it was mere “collateral damage” in the quest to weed out illegal immigrants.
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Also:

One Parent In Jail, The Other Enslaved By Debt: The Lost Children Of Assam’s NRC
Taken out of school, forced to work as labourers, children of men and women in detention camps have no time for childhood.
https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry...4e4b0c63bcbef7831?ncid=tweetlnkinhpmg00000001
 
RedTiger said:
NRC debate: How the 1947 Sylhet partition led to Assam’s politics of the foreigner
Till the division, there were more Bengali speakers in Assam than Assamese speakers.

https://amp.scroll.in/article/88990...cs-of-the-foreigner?__twitter_impression=true
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The entire process is a farce i tell you. One of my friend from college has been left out of the nrc along with his entire family. He's a assamese speaking hindu (not an ethnic assamese) and well off and not to mention a lawyer and he's been running pillar to post, so you can imagine what the uneducated and poor and the minorities must be facing. The whole thing with nrc is that documents pertaining to you mean feck all, they want documents of your grand parents and if you dont have it or if you have it and it has spelling mistakes then your fecked.
 
fishfingers15 said:
That's beside the point. You said modi came to power because of economic agenda. Your family may vote because of economy but it would be beyond stupid to assume it holds good for everyone
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From what I recall, the BJP manifesto was heavy on economics. It obviously had Kashmir and Ram Temple...but a wide variety of economic issues like corruption, inflation, gst, black money etc featured a lot. If I had to choose between economic vs hindutva agenda that led to Modi's first term, then I say it's more on economics. Anyway we need to take this to politics thread.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
From what I recall, the BJP manifesto was heavy on economics. It obviously had Kashmir and Ram Temple...but a wide variety of economic issues like corruption, inflation, gst, black money etc featured a lot. If I had to choose between economic vs hindutva agenda that led to Modi's first term, then I say it's more on economics. Anyway we need to take this to politics thread.
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I don't think there has been a tangible reduction in corruption, the INR sank to new lows under the current administration, and demonetization was a resounding failure. Pretty much all, if not all, of the proposed economic policies failed during the first term. What prompted people to vote them in for another term? Couldn't have been the economic policies. It is what it is, no point in pretending otherwise.
 
van der star said:
I don't think there has been a tangible reduction in corruption, the INR sank to new lows under the current administration, and demonetization was a resounding failure. Pretty much all, if not all, of the proposed economic policies failed during the first term. What prompted people to vote them in for another term? Couldn't have been the economic policies. It is what it is, no point in pretending otherwise.
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Many still see De-mon as a partial success. It failed to achieve its target, but still the govt was seen to having been actively tackling the issue. Same with Kashmir. Perhaps it's a bit muted down south as the cow agenda is not really as strong as it is in North. Hope for a Uniform Civil Code is still strong and expected down the line (which again will cause far more widespread troubles than Kashmir).

Congress's passive performance during Manmohan's puppet reign has soured and anti-incumbency wave (fueled more by Rahul's blandness) and failure of any tangible alternative from opposition party...all fuelled Modi's second term. Hindutva nonsense is certainly on the rise and a very worrisome issue.
 
ThatsGreat said:
Wow, so the Assamese gave up Sylhet to Bangladesh without contesting it, just so that they can have majority and still find themselves under the threat of becoming a minority? You've got to feel for them.
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I don't feel for them. Assamese have always been the minority in Assam, the only reason Assam was given Sylhet in the first place was because they had no economy and needed to rely on Bengal to subsidise them. Bengal has had a hegemonic influence on that area for hundreds and hundreds of years, the ties that bind are woven tightly and intricately. The Barak, Surma and Jamuna rivers have never had physical borders, the Assamese language is as connected to Bengali as Irish Gaelic is to Scottish Gaelic, hell they use the bengali script to write Assamese yet now they want to distinguish between true Assamese and Bengali? It's a shit show that unfortunately will stay a shit show.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Many still see De-mon as a partial success. It failed to achieve its target, but still the govt was seen to having been actively tackling the issue. Same with Kashmir. Perhaps it's a bit muted down south as the cow agenda is not really as strong as it is in North. Hope for a Uniform Civil Code is still strong and expected down the line (which again will cause far more widespread troubles than Kashmir).

Congress's passive performance during Manmohan's puppet reign has soured and anti-incumbency wave (fueled more by Rahul's blandness) and failure of any tangible alternative from opposition party...all fuelled Modi's second term. Hindutva nonsense is certainly on the rise and a very worrisome issue.
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If that come then the recent triple talaq legislation would have to be binned. I dont see them wanting to get that binned anytime soon.
 
RedTiger said:
Why would triple talaq legislation have to be binned?
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In a uniform civil code there will also be a mode of divorce prescribed, which would be same for everyone. All forms of divorce under various religous laws will be abolished with the coming of ucc. The whole concept of ucc is that you cant have separate provisions for different religions.
 
VidaRed said:
In a uniform civil code there will also be a mode of divorce prescribed, which would be same for everyone. All forms of divorce under various religous laws will be abolished with the coming of ucc. The whole concept of ucc is that you cant have separate provisions for different religions.
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Hasn't triple talaq already been abolished recently?
 
UP woman given triple talaq, cops ask her to stay with husband, then family burns her alive even as her 5-year-old daughter watched in horror

According to the 5-year-old girl's statement, her father held her mother by the hair while her two aunts poured kerosene on her and her grandparents lit the matchstick to burn her alive.
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What a shit state of affairs! Indian or Muslims notwithstanding, these people should not even be considered as humans. Hope the entire family rots in hell. The kid deserves a better future than this.
 
van der star said:
The will of the majority should be implemented, of course, but not if the country pretends to be a secular democracy and implements laws based purely to pander to religious vote banks.

As far as slaughtering cows that give milk, that's not a thing. Dairy/milch cows are a different breed from cows that are bred to be slaughtered. The lack of knowledge among the masses further compounds issues like this one.
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How is protection of cows going against secularism? Killing cows is against Hinduism, so a secular government will try to prevent the killing of cows. I mean even nutcases like Zakir Naik agree that there's nothing in Islam that forces them to kill cows. In Bakri Id, they have to kill a goat, not a cow. Are you saying Zakir Naik, who's facing terror charges, is more liberal than you? And the protection is just for cows not for buffaloes.
 
There is more buffallo milk than cow milk produced in India; I thought this whle slaughter ban was about it being irrational to kill animals that produce milk?
 
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