If we are not getting Pedro because of Januzaj/Perreira etc...

Forgot to say it's crossed my mind that maybe Victor Valdes had a word with Pedro which was probably not too complimentary towards us/LVG:lol:
 
Reservations about Pedros pace? Isn't that like the same shit some said about Isco being too slow? Give me a fecking break.
 
Always had the feeling that we were going after our main targets 1 year too early.
There's a high chance Bale / Reus / Benzema / maybe Muller would play out one more year and see how it goes. Heck Ronaldo would probably be open to one last big move at 31.
Next year will be very interesting I feel
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Have loved seeing Januzaj play the last few games in the centre. If we can develop him properly he can absolutely top quality. Pereira looked in storming form in pre season too.

However, what we need is a quality right winger and that's what Pedro was and not what pereira and Januzaj are. And if we're going to spend much of the season watching young play decently at best, and mata try being a right winger, then I completely disagree with selling Di Maria and not replacing him.
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I'd have no issue with this if Adnan was being played as a right winger. Mata is technically good, but I think Pedro could have still offered his same creative passing while offering much more pace. Basically, I think we need a new right-winger, as Mata is too slow (and weak) to play there.

I'd have no issue with Adnan playing right-wing and Andreas being tried as a 10, but this isn't what is happening.
 
If it means Janners and Perreira get more playing time then no worries from me. If this is the case then those lads need to use the opportunity and step up in training.
The problem of course is that they are inexperienced at this level, and I'm not sure we're secure enough to make it work using them over the course of a long hard season.
 
ChaddyP said:
Had an argument with someone about this last night. It's a myth that Januzaj is slow. Not sure where it came from
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Me neither. He's not lightning but he's got enough pace to trouble the majority of defenders. Over the last two seasons his successful dribbles per 90 minutes were 2.18 and 2.79, Pedro only managed 1.22 and 0.99.

The first five minutes of this are a good watch for people who don't think he's quick.

 
amolbhatia50k said:
Have loved seeing Januzaj play the last few games in the centre. If we can develop him properly he can absolutely top quality. Pereira looked in storming form in pre season too.

However, what we need is a quality right winger and that's what Pedro was and not what pereira and Januzaj are. And if we're going to spend much of the season watching young play decently at best, and mata try being a right winger, then I completely disagree with selling Di Maria and not replacing him.
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I agree with this. I would love to see Pereira and Januzaj getting more opportunities but I still think we need someone for that right winger slot. But as it has been mentioned we'll probably see Januzaj there a few more times this season if we don't sign one and Pereira more minutes.
 
bosnian_red said:
Oh I agree completely with regards to Mata. Baffling how some have criticized him when I think these last few games have been his best in a United shirt (in terms of creativity on the ball). It's a lot closer to the player we all thought we were getting when we bought him. And while giving Januzaj and Pereira all the extra playing time will only help in the future, it'll probably mean we won't be winning the title this season, as they are both young and will be inconsistent. Looking at our options though, and how Van Gaal likes his 10's to play, it would seem like Januzaj is best suited to the #10 role, he just needs to find the consistency in his game. But it'll be rotated between him, Fellaini, Pereira, Memphis when Young plays wide, and Herrera I think. It's probably the one spot that is up for grabs for somebody to make it their own.
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Yeah, agreed. At the end of the day the emergence of Januzaj and Depay over the last few games gives us more and better options than we thought we had, even two weeks ago. So I'm not massively worried if Van Gaal has changed his mind about Pedro over a similar timeframe.
 
I'll be glad if this is in the benefit of Januzaj. He was so bright under Moyes, had extra training during the summer so if he's not given a real chance now there is little hope for him to make it here.

It will also probably mean something for top foreign youngsters we'll hope to attract to our academy in the coming years, the high level quality of foreign youth players who have left feeling they failed to make the grade here is well documented, Pogba, Pique, Rossi and maybe Zieler. This could sign a shift in policy.
 
I never wanted Ramos as we have Paddy McNair...

Pedro plays in a position we need someone, scores goals which is something we are all worried about this season, and we dropped our interest. Why?

I really hope we have someone else lined up. If our plan is Muller then I'll be annoyed, because their is zero chance that happens.
 
I hope not, Januzaj is not a winger and he gets bullied too much for my liking, would rather we left him in the middle to roam, Pereira isn't ready to start yet.
 
The obsession with signings is ridiculous.

Many of the same people who will agree with Rio Ferdinand that Smalling is in 'beast mode' would have told you two weeks ago they'd be glad to ditch him for Ramos or Otamendi. How do you think Ramos and Otamendi became the players they are? They needed to be given time to mature, which is what Van Gaal is giving Smalling.

Pereira and Januzaj have played in various positions under Van Gaal, and they have done well in those roles. If he thinks they can improve enough not for us to buy someone then I'm happy to trust his judgement.

In my opinion Van Gaal has addressed the main weakness of our team: the midfield. I believe with the players we have we can win the title and we can make stars, rather than buy them. Yes, it would be great to have 'a Ronaldo' but lets remember how we got Ronaldo. We bought a talented kid and nurtured him through a few frustrating seasons before he started to become one of the world's best. If Van Gaal thinks the youngster we have can grow similarly why shouldn't we give them a go?
 
Count me in as one of the (possibly) few who never really thought signing Pedro was necessary specifically because of the fact that we already have players that can fill the role.

I think that Januzaj is on the cusp of becoming a vital player for us, if we give him the opportunity to develop into the role that LVG wants him to play. I actually like the fact that he's a natural winger who's being groomed into a number 10 considering the fact that if he needs to drift out wide during the development of an attack, he can actually take on and beat a defender to get a cross in. I think this type of interplay and movement up front is vital if we are going to create open lanes to pass and shoot in.

One of the main problems we suffer from in the final 3rd is that we often find players simply occupying an area with little to no movement afterwards to try and draw the defense out of shape. I think we did a better job of that last night and I think Januzaj was a big part of that in the first half of the match.

I also think this ties in with the thread from a month or so ago about the club ditching the "United Way." This is a perfect situation for us to rely on the talent we already have, and it gives the young guys the chance to step up and try to make a case for their selection in the first team.

Outside of the specific topic of this thread, what we need to be focusing on is sorting out the GK situation. If anything is going to keep us from competing for the league or for trophies this season, that's the position that looks far more suspect than any other in the squad so far, in my opinion.
 
So a couple of tweets out there saying we are in fact not going to buy anyone now... which, if we're to believe (and I'm not saying I do) would be absolutely mystifying to me.

We're 1 or 2 injuries away from being buggered.
 
I would love to see Januzaj come good but right now he is massively over rated , considering there is only a year between him and Memphis who looks to me at this stage of their development to be miles ahead . Hopefully Januzaj proves me wrong .
 
I'm glad to see Januzaj in the team, but to be honest Perreira impressed me more on the tour. Would love to see him get some game time.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
So a couple of tweets out there saying we are in fact not going to buy anyone now... which, if we're to believe (and I'm not saying I do) would be absolutely mystifying to me.

We're 1 or 2 injuries away from being buggered.
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If that's the case then I think it's definitely the Glazers tightening up.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
So a couple of tweets out there saying we are in fact not going to buy anyone now... which, if we're to believe (and I'm not saying I do) would be absolutely mystifying to me.

We're 1 or 2 injuries away from being buggered.
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Rooney?

Take Aguero out of City, Costa out of Chelsea, Giroud out of Arsenal and Benteke out of Liverpool's team and they'd be similarly buggered.

In an ideal world we could do with better back-up strikers than Wilson, Hernandez and Januzaj but we're not that much worse off than our rivals.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Rooney?

Take Aguero out of City, Costa out of Chelsea, Giroud out of Arsenal and Benteke out of Liverpool's team and they'd be similarly buggered.

In an ideal world we could do with better back-up strikers than Wilson, Hernandez and Januzaj but we're not that much worse off than our rivals.
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I'd say Rooney, Depay or even Smalling. (I don't think Jones/Blind would be anywhere near as solid to be honest).

Liverpool have Sturridge/Benteke (and the Ings) , Chelsea have Costa/Remy (plus they've got Hazard and Pedro to cover for goal shortages), City have Aguero/Bony, Arsenal supposedly have Giroud/Walcott... but like I said, Arsenal are similar to us.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I'd say Rooney, Depay or even Smalling. (I don't think Jones/Blind would be anywhere near as solid to be honest).

Liverpool have Sturridge/Benteke (and the Ings) , Chelsea have Costa/Remy (plus they've got Hazard and Pedro to cover for goal shortages), City have Aguero/Bony, Arsenal supposedly have Giroud/Walcott... but like I said, Arsenal are similar to us.
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Rooney going out wouldn't even impact us IMO.

If we lost Memphis though I would be petrified about where ANY source of creativity would come from.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I'd say Rooney, Depay or even Smalling. (I don't think Jones/Blind would be anywhere near as solid to be honest).

Liverpool have Sturridge/Benteke (and the Ings) , Chelsea have Costa/Remy (plus they've got Hazard and Pedro to cover for goal shortages), City have Aguero/Bony, Arsenal supposedly have Giroud/Walcott... but like I said, Arsenal are similar to us.
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I don't think perma-crocked Sturridge or Remy or Ings are a better option than Hernandez.

City probably have the best resources up front but are light in other areas. Completely different team without Toure, for example.

In terms of central defence, I would argue we've as much strength in depth as any of them, arguably more. Don't forget Rojo, Carrick and McNair are all good options, without weakening us much elsewhere.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Rooney?

Take Aguero out of City, Costa out of Chelsea, Giroud out of Arsenal and Benteke out of Liverpool's team and they'd be similarly buggered.

In an ideal world we could do with better back-up strikers than Wilson, Hernandez and Januzaj but we're not that much worse off than our rivals.
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We're only worse off then City because Aguero is so good. In terms of depth, we are much better then our rivals. Chelsea have Remy who is decent, and Falcao who we all know, is shite. Arsenal have Welbeck and Walcott? Not bad, but nothing special, nothing too different to Hernandez/Fellaini/Januzaj/Wilson. City have Bony who I don't rate (and I'd rather have Hernandez and Fellaini really).

Liverpool probably have the most depth up front, with Benteke, Sturridge, Ings and Firmino as the option to play out of position up front. And Balotelli but he doesn't really count because he won't play much if at all. They lack elsewhere though and their starting quality isn't as good as Rooney/Aguero/Costa.
 
Ugh, this has started already. The Pedro situation was handled terribly, and there is no doubt we have missed out. There is no positive from this, stop looking for one. The truth is that, if it was really van Gaal who ended the interest, he never would have talked about the player the way he has in his conferences. Woodward messed up by not paying a very generous buy-out clause, and the player has clearly changed his mind due to all this stalling. We've allowed one of our rivals (one could argue two if you count Otamendi) to strengthen with a player that we really did need. Short of signing Muller (which seems pretty much impossible even if the player wanted the move) this is a bit of a disaster. I seriously doubt our youngsters will even start for most of the season. I can see Adnan playing for a few more games before Young is put back into the starting XI. Later in the season Pereira and Wilson will probably get chances but relying on them becoming world stars this season is a big gamble and one that's unlikely to pay off tbh.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I don't think perma-crocked Sturridge or Remy or Ings are a better option than Hernandez.

City probably have the best resources up front but are light in other areas. Completely different team without Toure, for example.

In terms of central defence, I would argue we've as much strength in depth as any of them, arguably more. Don't forget Rojo, Carrick and McNair are all good options.
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Hernandez has barely played any football for nearly 2 years now, I'd say it's difficult to say how good he can be/if he can be relied upon... I don't think he's as good as Sturridge though (even if he is a crock).

I think @bosnian_red actually hit the nail on the head as to why I'm so worried... unfortunately, our starting option up front is just not as good as City or Chelsea's, so short of us signing a world beater (unlikely) then I feel like we need to mask that shortcoming by brining in someone good enough in reserve/or on the wing/in-behind to close that gap.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, we do. Young, Januzaj, Valencia.
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And Lingard is still a Manchester United player.

Mata will play most of the games in the right and Januzaj will be shifted to the right if Mata was injured/dropped.Lingard might play if both of them are unavailable or we could change to the diamond.

If Pedro is signed only 1-2 out of Januzaj/Mata/Young/Memphis will play (1 if Fellani play as number 10) which mean Pereira would probably not even make the bench even if 1 of them are injured.So Pedro's arrival would still impact Pereira's game times despite not being direct competitors.
 
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Annihilate Now! said:
Hernandez has barely played any football for nearly 2 years now, I'd say it's difficult to say how good he can be/if he can be relied upon... I don't think he's as good as Sturridge though (even if he is a crock).

I think @bosnian_red actually hit the nail on the head as to why I'm so worried... unfortunately, our starting option up front is just not as good as City or Chelsea's, so short of us signing a world beater (unlikely) then I feel like we need to mask that shortcoming by brining in someone good enough in reserve/or on the wing/in-behind to close that gap.
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That is just not true. What do you mean he's barely played? He played a good amount at the tail end of last season. He was also starting for Mexico when he got injured against Honduras and would've been their starting Gold Cup striker if not for that injury. The game before he got injured he rescued Mexico against Costa Rica. The idea that he's forgotten how to score goals is just not close to reality.

Chicharito always scores goals, and better yet he always scores important goals: equalisers, big game winners. Nobody has given any reason why we can't rely on him other than Moyes didn't like him, Real only used him when Benzema got injured.
 
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That is just not true. What do you mean he's barely played? He played a good amount at the tail end of last season. He was also starting for Mexico when he got injured against Honduras and would've been their starting Gold Cup striker if not for that injury. The game before he got injured he rescued Mexico against Costa Rica. The idea that he's forgotten how to score goals is just not close to reality.

Chicharito always scores goals, and better yet he always scores important goals: equalisers, big game winners. Nobody has given any reason why we can't rely on him other than Moyes didn't like him, Real only used him when Benzema got injured.
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In the last calendar year he's started about 15 games... massive figures.
 
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