Dr. Dwayne
Self proclaimed tagline king.
You call 16 years of hell temporary
There was a friend of mine on murder...
You call 16 years of hell temporary
Luckily my high horse isn’t very high so I’ll be ok even if I was to fall off.
If you think it’s acceptable to support the team and bounce about when they’re winning and then throw your toys out of your pram when things are quite as rosey, I’d argue that maybe high level professional football isn’t for you.
The attitude of a number of fans, not just you, on here and in general is absolutely abhorrent IMO. Unfortunately, my trigger finger landed on you.
If you Don’t like the tough times as a football fan, tough. It happens. Consider yourself lucky to have had the period of unrivalled success that we have seen, presumably since your birth, and take the rest on the chin.
You have no ability to change anything.
20 games = W2 D8 L10 and I don't remember one person wanting the manager to be sacked!
You dont understand why people would prioritize other commitments and do other fun things for entertainment instead of watching Manchester united flounder under this manager? This is where I think people like you are delusional. Sports are a form of entertainment. If it is not entertaining (getting blasted by rivals constantly is not) then you should take your money elsewhere. Sports should never be a job. You're acting like fans somehow owe it to the club to stick with them when they aren't even trying to be competent. Fans should in mass take their money and eyes (advertising money) and invest their time in something entertaining until united gets their pathetic act together.
You seem to have some idea that fans owe the club. Wrong. Fans existing is why the clubs exist. They need us to like football and if the product is ass, we should let it be known.
It's better for the club longterm anyways. We seem to be the only fans base that thinks we owe the club.. It's so fecking weird. Stop worshipping clubs and managers like they're deities.
That being said I'm going to watch every game because I'm an idiot and honestly I want to see the moment ole is fired.
You seem to be arguing against yourself here.
You say it's entertainment and there's no issue with fans walking away or not watching games as it's only entertainment after all.
You then say you'll be watching every game so it obviously more than that to you, no?
You seem to be arguing against yourself here.
You say it's entertainment and there's no issue with fans walking away or not watching games as it's only entertainment after all.
You then say you'll be watching every game so it obviously more than that to you, no?
Till death do us apartSeems to be a common sign off to posts of late. How many of you saying it would actually see that through?
Admit it: you're here to see the car crash and watch the fallout with the rest of us!
What would it genuinely take for you to not watch Manchester United?
I mean that's the point. We're literally emotionally blackmailed by the situation. I assume most people feel that way no?
The club knows its' fans are trapped in an impossible situation so it keeps the status quo. It's why I wish match day fans were actually in revolt. They're the ones in a situation in which they can influence the club while not cutting ties with it.
I was just thinking this the other day and you're right a football team not doing well is exactly the same as someone being burned alive in a horrific accident.
Not quite. I seriously doubt many of us will actually stop watching United even if we drop into a relegation battle. There will always be what are called “rubberneckers”.
I was just thinking this the other day and you're right a football team not doing well is exactly the same as someone being burned alive in a horrific accident.
Pretty much yeah. No team loses top 4 this early unless they're in Norwich or Newcastle's position.Yes because that's exactly what I said.
Well for that to happen he needs to stay in fecking Norway otherwise not a prayer for any of them
Apologies for a late response but I did come across this thread on Twitter which summarises the point I was making.I think you’re starting a completely different conversation to the point that I am trying to make.
I understand disgruntled fans. I don’t understand, nor will I ever accept that people stop watching or supporting because of poor performances or lack of success, which is ultimately what some people are saying.
I have considered stopping going to games in the past but never, ever because of the manager or the performances or the lack of winning game or trophies.
I some of the comments in this thread particularly pretty pathetic
Apologies for a late response but I did come across this thread on Twitter which summarises the point I was making.
Name the season
Bad run #1 (10 games October-December)
LDLLDDDDLL
Bad run #2 April- May (10 games April-May)
LDLLWLDDWL
20 games = W2 D8 L10 and I don't remember one person wanting the manager to be sacked or suggesting they were through with watching United.
Still a packed house at OldTrafford every week supporting the team. We have been through much worst spells and survived.
"If this continues I'm done..."
Oh FFS!
Apologies for a late response but I did come across this thread on Twitter which summarises the point I was making.
I wish I woke up in the morning and this whole season was over. Sick of it now.
Do you get paid every time you make a post that includes the phrase yankee leeches? So much rage, just log off, do something else. The way you talk is worrying.
Not quite.
I seriously doubt many of us will actually stop watching United even if we drop into a relegation battle. There will always be what are called “rubberneckers”.
Same here.
Name the season
Bad run #1 (10 games October-December)
LDLLDDDDLL
Bad run #2 April- May (10 games April-May)
LDLLWLDDWL
20 games = W2 D8 L10 and I don't remember one person wanting the manager to be sacked or suggesting they were through with watching United.
Still a packed house at OldTrafford every week supporting the team. We have been through much worst spells and survived.
"If this continues I'm done..."
Oh FFS!
When I was a kid my parents and I were driving down the freeway and we passed a car that was on fire. As we got closer to it we could see the driver was trapped and was literally being burned to death. There was way too much traffic to stop. I couldn’t help but turn to take a long look as we drove away.
Similar situation now.
Name the season
Bad run #1 (10 games October-December)
LDLLDDDDLL
Bad run #2 April- May (10 games April-May)
LDLLWLDDWL
20 games = W2 D8 L10 and I don't remember one person wanting the manager to be sacked or suggesting they were through with watching United.
Still a packed house at OldTrafford every week supporting the team. We have been through much worst spells and survived.
"If this continues I'm done..."
Oh FFS!
Err, you know that package has very little to do with the actual games? Majority of the people who pay for those packages and are there with their entire families couldn't give a lesser feck about the games and are barely in their senses at the time the game begins. The events that matter are before and after the game, especially the post-game meet and greets. I know that from working as VIP hospitality across stadiums in the UK.Think you’d have to be absolutely mental to pay for a general sale ticket or hospitality package right now with Ole still at the wheel.
Imagine the dolts paying £600 or whatever it is for a hospitality package to the arsenal game, where Lego pep will inevitably stuff us.
Watching a club perform badly but knowing that everyone is trying their best to improve and behind the scenes they are working as hard as they can even if the ability isn’t quite there is different to watching a project like United where after a decade it’s one self inflicted car crash after the other and with the whole Super League debacle and the way they constantly ignore common sense decisions or the will of the fans... it is the worst run Sports club pound for pound considering the money it generates. The constant feeling that people are being rewarded for mediocrity.
That is what is pushing people away rather than not wanting to support a team which is going through a bad patch. There is a deeper malaise. It reminds me of the Tory government but in football form. A club which just doesn’t reflect my personal values anymore and I think many people feel the same. Will this be a long term problem - no I’m sure we will get it right eventually but it’ll probably take the Glazers finally walking away for it to happen.
Seen this put forward a few times in this thread and was going to point out it's essentially a strawman that is triumphantly argued against whilst having barely any grounds in the discussion going on.Can't really call yourself a fan if you only support your team while the going is good. Moreover, the entitlement among some is quite ridiculous when they're whinging about everything and comparing watching United to watching people getting burned alive - all because United is in sixth place and not playing very well. Rather pathetic, to be honest.
Seen this put forward a few times in this thread and was going to point out it's essentially a strawman that is triumphantly argued against whilst having barely any grounds in the discussion going on.
Sticking with a team through the thick and thin of them playing well/poorly/dreadfully but following the common ideals their fanbase identify with is not the same as watching wilful self-sabotage, indifference and malaise at board level filtered down to a staff that don't know what they're doing, which, common sense should dictate will lead to a mass exodus of the best players who refuse to partake in the circus any longer and will look out for themselves and their careers if the club they're playing for is perfectly happy to write off seasons in November. Ronaldo will most certainly be the first out the door if we're a Europa team next season, for example, with other top quality players been completely justified in asking their agents to find them a new club.
I can't even name an equivalent club to us because at Barcelona, everything was rosy until their financial incompetence caught up with them - ultimately they spent like imbeciles for the benefit of the club. Foolish in sentiment, but at least with the common goal of making the team the best it could be. At Ashley's Newcastle, they mightn't have played good football, but at least had a manager, team and staff that was in line with their standing. Newcastle are a traditionally attacking team, so the fans were let down there, but they were resigned to their lot knowing things couldn't be much better without Ashley releasing funds he had no intention of doing.
United are covered in Japanese knotweed with clearly addressable footballing problems draped all over them, even though we're thin in midfield, anyone stating this is not a world class squad, ripe for a good manager and coaching staff to challenge on all fronts is to be summarily dismissed. United finally have a squad that should, and would, be competing if the footballing side of the franchise had a clue. This frustrates the majority of the fanbase because they can see not only the issues unfolding in real-time, but also the very real likelihood of it damaging the club going forward for years yet as we face a departures of players who have it in them to make us a force, who will then need to be replaced with equivalent level players, who, in their right mind, will avoid us like the plague given their options.
This is a pivotal season, one we could still be challenging in, and yet some fans seem to be happy to watch the ship go down... for no reason at all. This isn't the 70's or 80's where we had mountains to climb and the expectations set for the club had faded: we're a global superpower who spend in a manner only Real and Barcelona can outside of the oil clubs. There is no excuse for the way the season is unfolding - it doesn't matter that it's Ole overseeing a 0-5 loss to Liverpool; off the back of a shocking season up to that point, only managers with credit in the bank should survive such a compound humiliation, and then, we flail until the disgraceful City game that was ostensibly worse than the Liverpool one despite the scoreline. That's not 'thick and thin': that's the territory of what is the board playing at? It shouldn't be common to be complicit in watching your team be routinely routed, its players exasperated for no good reason. This isn't underdogs in the trenches stuff - the strawman narrative doesn't fit, to the point I'd ask you to name another team that mirrors what's happening here. Clubs that spend £400m in three seasons can be counted on two hands: name a single one of them that passively sits an leaves its support up in arms.
What we have is a lot of self-serving people in key positions not looking out for the club, but rather their own position(s) in the establishment, again, something you won't find an equivalency with elsewhere because we're the worst run giant in football, if not sport.
Supposedly:
- The Glazers don't want any manager in who will kick up a fuss and comment about the football side of things, which other side in the world can this kind of accusation be hurled at?
- Woodward, supposedly doesn't want to sack the manager because it makes him look bad - at no point in there is there concern about the actual club he's working for.
- Ole is doing all sorts of madness with a squad that's worth an obscene amount to save his skin rather than benefit it [squad], his survival mode is causing ruptures that mightn't heal if left too long as half the squad he's alienated will have morale on the floor and the other half playing no matter what, whether fit or not, which benefits nobody.
Our problems run deeper than not being an 'entertaining brand' or feeling sorry for ourselves for one or two bad performances: we're in freefall and for all intents and purposes, it looks like nothing will be done about it until the season is an absolute write-off, which makes no sense at all.
Frustration is running rampant and the support is practically at arms with one another as camps have become staunch and entrenched: it should be pretty clear to see why some say they are 'done'.
If a few bad games was all there was to what's going on, I doubt people would be up in arms. And despite the rhetoric, if Ole was capable, I doubt there'd be many who would want him out.
It's also not entitlement to want to see your side do the best its resources allow, where again, a £400m investment should not see a side languishing playing atrocious football. I'd actually like to ask you what you believe £400m of investment should warrant, and at which point expectation for that £400m reaches the point of entitlement - where do these lines blur, in your opinion? Should nothing be said whilst the manager benches £200m+ at a time because he doesn't know how to utilise the talent at his disposal?
Anyway, for all that said, I am one of the poor buggers who will be watching every [needless] humiliation through to the end and taking that anger/disappointment into the remainder of my day/weekend. It'll not have the same energy or connection some want it to have where we were underdogs and Fergie's era of dominance hadn't yet been undertaken, and it is a nonsense in this time, with this investment, and this squad, to liken what's happening now to those kind of tough times of the past. It's nothing alike: this is just gross incompetence at every single level on a scale I'd challenge anyone to find an equivalency to in United's history.
They have flaws in abundance, but this time round, they have supplied a capable manager with a squad that can challenge for everything. The blame that can be apportioned to them right now is having no contingency in place for this eventuality and not making a decision that could at least attempt to salvage the season, and if they could connect the dots, make them a hell of a lot more money in doing so.The Glazers have always been the issue. They were the issue when Fergie had to become frugal in the transfer market, something that cost us post SAF. Old Trafford and the training ground need upgrading, our revenues have flatlined and the club needs restructuring. The fans have protested against the Glazers but sadly to no avail. We're stuck with them until they sell up. This isn't new because the wheels have come off this season.
a new manager will help short term but medium to longer term we'll have the same problems. We need a holistic approach, for me it's quite simple. We're playing catch up to a few clubs...clubs with more finances than us.They have flaws in abundance, but this time round, they have supplied a capable manager with a squad that can challenge for everything. The blame that can be apportioned to them right now is having no contingency in place for this eventuality and not making a decision that could at least attempt to salvage the season, and if they could connect the dots, make them a hell of a lot more money in doing so.
I'd think change can come about in two ways: from the top down, or from the bottom up. By bottom up, meaning the right man comes in and manages the team, achieves some success, which in turn makes them more money. They latch on to the correlation between deep runs in the CL or even winning that trophy or the PL and relinquish more power to said man to run the ship as he sees fit, which forces change at DoF and delegation of duties pertaining to how the footballing side of things work.a new manager will help short term but medium to longer term we'll have the same problems. We need a holistic approach, for me it's quite simple. We're playing catch up to a few clubs...clubs with more finances than us.
I'm no longer planning my weekend around Man Utd games, I watch the majority of games but I've learned to not take it too seriously anymore. It is much easier to laugh at what the club has become. We will always have the great memories. I will always support the club but if the owners don't care about results then why should I?