Yeah, the only recent season he didn’t was 21/22.
If Rashford hits another purple patch, will it change your mind on him?
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Yeah, the only recent season he didn’t was 21/22.
Nailed it. We haven't had that in a long time. We've never looked solid in that area during the whole EtH epoch. We did at times under Ole, but it never seemed structural or predictable, sometimes we had the flow and sometimes we didn't. I was watching Spurs vs Liverpool on Saturday and thinking, we've never looked like that in the past decade, the flow of attacks seeming almost effortless.
It’s annoying that his talent mainly lies in beating his man with pace and smashing it into the net, which makes him effectively useless when that isn’t working, which with his level of consistency is most of the time.
Threads like this are fascinating because don't we all know exactly what he is and isn't by now? He's a one trick pony that goes through purple patches and doesn't do the defensive work.
In the absence of a functioning system we rely on his streaks of form because he is a match winner. He's unlikely to ever be more than that otherwise we'd have seen glimpses I think so we have to accept it and decide if we want to rely on him or have a well functioning system.
Certainly players are making us less as a whole right now and he's one of them.
In the absence of a functioning system we rely on his streaks of form because he is a match winner. He's unlikely to ever be more than that otherwise we'd have seen glimpses I think so we have to accept it and decide if we want to rely on him or have a well functioning system.
Certainly players are making us less as a whole right now and he's one of them.
Where do you get your stats from, because I double checked after I sent the post in case my memory wasnt there, and cant find 30GA apart from last season.
My mind is pretty much made up on him. In the next 3 years we won't be getting consistent top performances from him based on his history with us. To change my mind he needs to actually do well at least for two seasons straight, but at this point I feel it'd be irresponsible of the club to keep planning everything around him.
If Fergie was still managing the club, Rashford would be playing for a midtable club by now.
If Fergie was still managing the club, Rashford would be playing for a midtable club by now.
Yes! Because right now, we can't score goals.
I think it's just the type of player he is -- he's just patchy and lacks the consistency to be better than he is.
Over the course of a season, and when you look back at his stats on a WhoScored or Transfermarkt he'll end up with like 25 G/A in 40 matches or something like that, but overall he'll just have these bursts and then downtime.
Over the course of a season, and when you look back at his stats on a WhoScored or Transfermarkt he'll end up with like 25 G/A in 40 matches or something like that, but overall he'll just have these bursts and then downtime.
I'm going to turn the tv off if he scores. Same with Bruno.
I don't care if the laugh is on me but its hard not laugh when you see Rashford constantly ramming into a defenders instead of beating them and smashing their ankles instead of hitting the ball in the back of the net.
Obviously i will care because inevitably he's gonna stink up the place later and at that point you will definitely care. So why only endure misery? Let's enjoy when he does something good regardless of how rare that is.
if rashford fell over in a forest, would you even make a sound?
That's kind of the point here. He's actually generally pretty successful with his take-ons.
Yes I'll care because hopefully shite threads like this will disappear
And my point is that when take ons are the only thing you do all games it's not rocket science his number is up there.
Other players gets their number by playing the game normally like most player. Rashford is gaming that stat
He can never convince me of being good enough to start for a PL contender, period.
He unfortunately lacks ability in many critical departments beyond running.
He unfortunately lacks ability in many critical departments beyond running.
I disagree. Last season he ran the entire length of the pitch to score against forest. He took on the entire back 4 of Barcelona. You couldn't stop him. And it didn't matter if he was left side, right side or down the middle. If Rashford had the ball he was running at you and shooting, or outjumping you for a headed goal. Remember those??
The most frustrating thing is that he has all of this in his locker, but doesn't always use it. When he is given the ball on the left, instead of running with it, he just stops it dead, and rolls it backwards, as if to say, "Nah, I'm not bothering today."
He's been doing that all season.
There's just a number of things that 'bug' me about him...
1. I don't get why he doesn't apply himself - especially when out of form, he looks exceptionally fit and athletic so it's not physical.
2. It rarely looks like he enjoys playing for United, in the way he did during his early days. I understand that it's not a great time to play for us, but given that, why hasn't he pushed through a move? (Maybe he has I suppose)
3. Why does he seem to hate playing through the middle? There was a time when I'm sure he was wanting that role and unhappy about being forced out left. I assume that was cause he didn't want to do the tracking back. But now he neither wants to track back or be the focal point of the attack. He wants a Ronaldo free role, without being good enough for that, and without the rest of the team being good enough to carry him.
4. I don't think he'd have had anywhere near the number of games if he'd come through during SAF's time. His career has certainly benefitted from our current mess but we need much more from him as a result.
1. I don't get why he doesn't apply himself - especially when out of form, he looks exceptionally fit and athletic so it's not physical.
2. It rarely looks like he enjoys playing for United, in the way he did during his early days. I understand that it's not a great time to play for us, but given that, why hasn't he pushed through a move? (Maybe he has I suppose)
3. Why does he seem to hate playing through the middle? There was a time when I'm sure he was wanting that role and unhappy about being forced out left. I assume that was cause he didn't want to do the tracking back. But now he neither wants to track back or be the focal point of the attack. He wants a Ronaldo free role, without being good enough for that, and without the rest of the team being good enough to carry him.
4. I don't think he'd have had anywhere near the number of games if he'd come through during SAF's time. His career has certainly benefitted from our current mess but we need much more from him as a result.
Will you celebrate when a homegrown player hits a good run of form for the club he has supported since day 1?
What a ridiculous thread.
What a ridiculous thread.
I think he's definitely A problem in our build up for sure. But it's also on the manager to see that.
If you are paid 350k per week, you are supposed to perform. No matter what the opponents throw at you, you need to figure how to be effective. I never seen Salah has a bad game, there is nothing the defender can do to stop him. United is stupid to award him a new contract that much.
I care because I member.
Sorry, but
Playing well and scoring well can be two different things. I'm less concerned about him scoring well again and more interested in whether he can ever be a good player in general.
I'll be impressed when he can hit 30 PL goals like Kevin Phillips, not 17. I'm much more interested in him being a better team player.
I'll be impressed when he can hit 30 PL goals like Kevin Phillips, not 17. I'm much more interested in him being a better team player.
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You can say that as often as you like, you know? You won't get cleverer from that though.
His underlying numbers contradict that. He's not doing less with the ball, or doing it less well - other than scoring goals. Lots of posters on this thread are complaining that he is too willing to run with the ball.
I'm not the one who thinks he can ignore inconvenient facts. So, tell me, what exactly about that is it you think merits a
? What's your fecking point? That Rashford's a poor dribbler because you choose to think he is? Or that it doesn't lead to anything despite the fact it does? Come on, tell us why the facts don't matter.Giggs also was a much better player than Rashford. Put young Giggs on RW in a Rashford role and he would do what Rashford does and more. I do like Rashford but i dont think anyone would pick Rashford over Giggs.
Rashford is a strange player, very complicated.
When it goes well, it really goes well and he does things others can only dream of. The quality of some of his goals over the years are undisputed, and when it's going well he can strike a ball like no one else in this squad.
On the flip side, when it's not going well for Rashford, he absolutely stinks.
I did hope he could find that middle ground where he offers some level of productivity, even when he's not at the top of his game. This season seems to be proof that it has to be conditioned perfectly for him in order to perform, and we can quite clearly see how difficult it will be to carry him if it goes on.
The way he's playing now, I'd shove him over to the right wing and go all in on Garnacho on the left.
When it goes well, it really goes well and he does things others can only dream of. The quality of some of his goals over the years are undisputed, and when it's going well he can strike a ball like no one else in this squad.
On the flip side, when it's not going well for Rashford, he absolutely stinks.
I did hope he could find that middle ground where he offers some level of productivity, even when he's not at the top of his game. This season seems to be proof that it has to be conditioned perfectly for him in order to perform, and we can quite clearly see how difficult it will be to carry him if it goes on.
The way he's playing now, I'd shove him over to the right wing and go all in on Garnacho on the left.
There's not many left wingers in the history of football I'd pick over Giggs. Also, a quite different type of player, much more complete.
I wasn't too convinced with his last purple patch either, i knew it was only going to be temporary. Even when he's at his very best he needs a specific style of play and its a style that no top team utilises. He needs space to run in behind on the break and you're never going to get that when teams are fearful of you and sit deep.
Even if that weren't the case, the 6 months of goals will never offset the years of junk in between. I would be happy to sell him for a good price because as long as he's here we will have to play him.
Even if that weren't the case, the 6 months of goals will never offset the years of junk in between. I would be happy to sell him for a good price because as long as he's here we will have to play him.
OK, so I'll just keep pointing this out. His underlying numbers remain solid - actually on the whole largely stronger than last year. He's just not scoring goals. Other than that, he's to all appearances doing pretty much the same, or better.
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I'm not the one who thinks he can ignore inconvenient facts. So, tell me, what exactly about that is it you think merits a
My point is that you seem to think that Rashford is a good dribbler and has a good dribbling success rate, and that in his current form, he is pulling his weight and scoring enough goals because he is such a good dribbler, and that therefore there is no reason to think he is playing badly. I disagree with that belief if you think what I'm assuming.
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Steady on
. Cut inside and shoot?Thanks, you've understood it perfectly!
Rashford is an oustanding talent, but he is currently only (if that makes sense..) a good player. I do think he is frustrated about the quality of his attacking partners, and he probably cannot see the team really moving forward as much as it should be. But, he needs to show leadership. This may mean accepting that this season, is just one in which we all (fans, players, manager, coaching staff, backroom) staff, we all dig-in, weed out and get rid of the dross, the stupid, the individual mindset, and those who simply are not taking the club anywhere. The objective is to re-establish a clear identity of the make up, personality, identity and playing intent of a Manchester United football team. Because we haven't that at the moment, and have not had this for a long time.
Rashford needs to decide whether he wants to lead that. A fully-focused Marcus Rashford could captain Manchester United. The kids coming through would adore him.
Rashford needs to decide whether he wants to lead that. A fully-focused Marcus Rashford could captain Manchester United. The kids coming through would adore him.
Edited the thread title because people were misinterpreting the "will you even care" question! I probably phrased it badly!
Shaw, Rahsford, Bruno, Lindelof, Mctominay. All players who have been here for years. All players who, every season, have major inconsistencies. Imo, they should all be binned.
Rashford is a good player, but certainly not an elite player. Same as all the others. One of the biggest factor of being truely wordlclass, is being able to show it on a consistent basis. None of these players can be wordl class on a consistent level ( as is shown on ou lack of major trophies and the big gap between us and City )
Rashford is a good player, but certainly not an elite player. Same as all the others. One of the biggest factor of being truely wordlclass, is being able to show it on a consistent basis. None of these players can be wordl class on a consistent level ( as is shown on ou lack of major trophies and the big gap between us and City )