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If one has to go from Mata, Martial, or Blind, which one?
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"Evidence" Is this a court of law? Take it easy man. Besides, I was quoting the OP.As for Blind, most posters here agree with you. I love the guy and how he plays football. So yeah, I guess I'll go sulk somewhere else.
Edit: Get laid.
We know Jose has criticised Martial, and we know he has left him out and overlooked him in favor of others on more than a few occasions.
That is evidence he does not currently rate him, or trust him as much as others vying for the same places. But only evidence, not proof. We can only speculate on what Jose's motives are for acting as he has, but i think it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that Martial is currently not a favorite of Mourinho.
You can make the argument Jose does rate his potential and simply wants more from him, and i don't think many would contest that. Furthermore, we have almost exactly the same scenario playing out with Shaw. Been publicly criticized, and dropped in favor of others, but still rated and simply being asked to give more.
But, the difference i see between the 2 situations is that Jose doesn't appear to be looking to buy another Lb for next season, as yet. So we may speculate that Shaw (as it stands) will get another decent chance to prove himself next season. Whereas Jose has deemed it necessary to target Perisic, for a large enough fee to suggest he is a starter, and who will likely play in Martial's preferred position next season.
Now i want Martial to be a success here as much as anyone, but i have concerns for him next season. Martial struggled last season, and there wasn't even really a stand out contender putting pressure on his place. Yet now we have specifically targeted Perisic for that position, i am struggling to see when Martial is going to get the opportunities needed to build his confidence and improve. Mourinho just doesn't piss about, if you give him what he asks for you are in, if you don't, you lose both his trust and your place.
Not necessarily.
He didn't criticise Depay or Schneiderlin for example and they were the first ones out the door. He did criticise Schweinsteiger then regretted doing it. He's flip flopped on his criticism for our defenders all season, and it doesn't look like any are set to leave yet.
Therefore what he says to the media is up for interpretation, nobody knows his intention behind it.
As for Blind, most posters here agree with you. I love the guy and how he plays football. So yeah, I guess I'll go sulk somewhere else.
Edit: Get laid.
Oh please, that's hardly riled up.
Regarding your edit, see my tagline. Oh and i'm a girl.
Martial will get plenty of chances next season, if we do get Perisic the aim is to be challenging for the league & competing for the other trophies up for grabs also. That can mean up to 3 games a week, we saw in the previous season how much our performances suffer when we spread ourselves too thinly.
So Perisic isn't the end of Martial at all, he will improve our squad and provide more depth.
Only Martial can improve his performances at this point, but I don't think we will see a repeat of last season at all.
Again, although not nailed on it makes it far more likely. It's a bit odd to use an example of a player getting publicly cricitised and then sold as a defence for a player getting publicly criticised and not being sold. Besides, the regret was about how he had treated Basti, not about his decision to get rid.
The defenders he has criticised have found their playing time limited and the first player we have brought in is a defender, he's clearly not happy with the players he named in the media and, as I'm sure you'll agree, they'll be far more likely to leave than Rojo and Bailly when he does decide to move players on.
I like Martial and I hope Jose gives him a chance, but Jose criticising him publically only makes it more likely he'll get rid, not less - whatever way you look at it. On that basis it hardly makes his comment baseless and he has some genuine evidence to back it up, right or wrong.
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Oh please, that's hardly riled up.
Regarding your edit, see my tagline. Oh and i'm a girl.
So I'm the one with the man-crush on Blind and I'm defending him against a girl? That's one lucky guy..
I did make the edit on seeing your tagline. "Get laid" is sound advice for sexperts as much as virgins, although for different reasons.
I hope you are right, Jose does like to rotate his wide-men if anyone. But Martial will certainly have to make more of his opportunities than last season. I hope he hits the ground running and gets his confidence up pre-season. It will take some of the early pressure off and hopefully allow him to start enjoying his football again. He is easily capable of 15-20 goals for us if he gets back on track, and if we are going to challenge on all fronts, we need players like him to step up and really contribute.
Rooney and Zlatan contributed 38 goals and 16 assists between them last season, and filling that gulf can't simply be left to Lukaku. Martial is the one most capable of easing that burden, let's hope he takes his chance, gets it going early and kicks on from there.
None. Why does it have to be one of these? Even though I don't rate Blind as much as others, he's a great utility to have around, just in case. He's John O'Shea.
Mata needs to be our super sub, because our bench is fecking awful, and Martial....well I might have a different opinion if he does nothing again this season, but we can't let him go yet.
Mata needs to be our super sub, because our bench is fecking awful, and Martial....well I might have a different opinion if he does nothing again this season, but we can't let him go yet.
Why the hell do you think 6 attacking players are enough? Just for context, we started last season with 8, ended with 7 (survived hardly when one of them was injured).
I'm not going to be up for selling a young attacking player who excelled in his first season, so I've immediately ruled Martial out.
So that leaves Blind and Mata. I think Blind's versatility (even though he's only played in 2/3 out of the positions he can play under Mourinho) makes him a good squad player to have but to sell Mata would be unwise, considering how he chips in his fair share of goals every season.
I'd go with Blind.
So that leaves Blind and Mata. I think Blind's versatility (even though he's only played in 2/3 out of the positions he can play under Mourinho) makes him a good squad player to have but to sell Mata would be unwise, considering how he chips in his fair share of goals every season.
I'd go with Blind.
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Martial can become a top class player, Blind has great versatility, loyalty, game intelligence and can still improve. I love Mata as a person but think we could quite easily improve on him if we wanted to.
Sorry for the late reply, mate!
It does´t matter much what Blind has done in the past or for the national team. For us, he has played poorly when deployed as a CDM and not featured there sense. Saying he can play well for us there is simply guesswork. He hasn't been able to show it.
Mata plays about as often AM as he does RW, doesn't he? He seems to have a fairly free role and plays both well. I'm annoyed every time he is deployed as a right winger, but he's not too bad, and for some reason, Valencia's attacking play is much better with Mata in front than Lingard. Maybe that is because Mata keeps width and then drifts inwards whereas Lingard is all over the place all the time, thus making it harder for Valencia to know when to hold back and when to go forward.
Blind is a decent utility player, but for us it seems he is a back up lb and an emergency cb. He is too slow for the lb position to ever be great at it even if he is decent at bringing the ball out from defense and good at passing from behind. So many times he has been sent through in attack only for relatively slow players to catch up with him. He covers some for his lacking athleticism in defense, but not enough. He is one of the few players who made Sissoko look like a good purchase.
I see that so many of you say that, but for us he really doesn't. It's not like he will play CDM for us unless there is a major crisis, and he is long down the pecking order for CB. Carrick can also play CB, but neither us nor Mourinho wants to do that - does that make Carrick versatile?
Martial can play as striker or lw
Mata can play as am/10 position or rw/rm
Blind can play as lb or cb
The three players are just as versatile.
Blind, Darmian, Young and either Smalling/Jones should be sold from the squad. I wouldn't entertain anyone else leaving unless they handed in a transfer request